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This is what happens when idiots decide to privatise a core piece of infrastructure that is a natural monopoly. Lines in the ground should absolutely be now and forever a nationalised infrastructure, much like roads. When it's literally impossible for another company to run copper there is no excuse to keep the only possible line privately owned. Oh wait, I'm talking about Telstra and Australia, you guys in Canada are getting shafted the same way now too? Fight it while you still can, get that infrastructure owned by the government. Oh, also please don't trot out the tired old bullshit about inefficient government.
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Does your government force the incumbents to allow access and floorspace to ISPs in your exchanges? This could be the thing that forces change and has ISPs setting up their own DSLAMs if so.
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Nov 4, 2010 04:23
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Cryptic Edge posted:Your right, I do demand they upgrade the equipment to keep up with the subscriber base. Why? because thats what they do if they don't want people leaving by the hundreds. Around here, I can get FiOS, brighthouse docsis 3, Knology docsis 1 (for dirt cheap), adsl 2+ and even PDSL, or a true fiber circuit from a dozen backbone providers. Setting quotas here would be suicide, and would be pretty much them forcing themselves out of the market. This is so pathetically small minded that I had to laugh. There's constantly threads about the monopolies US companies enjoy all over your nation which lock users into one or two providers if their lucky with nary a DSL provider in sight. Yet here you are scoffing at the same situation in Canada. Pshaw! No choice you say!! That's patently ridiculous, bootstraps!! BOOTSTRAPS!!!!
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Nov 8, 2010 03:32
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Hey don't get me wrong I'm jealous of some US areas myself but the arrogance of that response just rubbed me the wrong way. I'm not even Canadian, I'm Aussie AND I work for an ISP so I feel the screwing I get as a customer AND wholesaler.
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Nov 8, 2010 06:34
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Cryptic Edge posted:Thats why you (as a country) need to start demanding that the ISP's actually setup your social resources to be more in line with a first world country. Australia too, because both of those countries are backwards when it comes to the Internet and make Chinese Internet service look good. At the rate your ISP's are dicking you, we can expect North Korea to have Internet to more homes at a faster rate by the end of 2015. Oh, so you agree that communications infrastructure should be publicly owned and run. That's refreshing, it's so rare to speak to an American that isn't all RARRRGH SOCIALISM, CAPITALISM IS THE ONLY TRUE WAY, THE FREE MARKET WILL PROVIDE!!
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Nov 8, 2010 15:10
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univbee posted:I think the bigger issue here is that you can be practically inside an ISP's building in Toronto and STILL have to pay out the rear end. The other big issue here is that this reeks of "any excuse to make more money and lower our costs." They're basically trying to close Pandora's box, and the fact that they're doing it in-step with Netflix's announcement to come to Canada really enforces this point. No matter how well-intentioned you are, if you're taking things away from customers, you're the bad guy. I can understand your situation being a small ISP in a smaller neighborhood, though. 3rd largest Aussie ISP chiming in here - we do have what we call a freezone which includes things like a Steam cache, our FTP server where we keep a But this always struck me as a little... against net neutrality, ya know? Certain services literally have better service due to agreements we've made, the best example being Xbox Live vs Playstation Network. PSN is not quota free on our network. To the small Canadian ISP, I hear ya mate.  My company used to run it's backhaul over DSL modems in certain exchanges, just so we could give Telstra's exorbitant rates the finger.We recently offered Australia's first terrabyte quota plans and let me tell you, those routers were running hot. But traffic has dropped off since the initial burst. Basically, either of our nations have only one option: create a government run fibre network that's treated as national infrastructure. Don't give me any bullshit about government programs being expensive and poo poo, it's not true. Nothing less will prevent us from being ripped off in the worst way. I'm excited about our NBN but incredibly disappointed as well that the government intends to privatise the system once it's complete. Yay for making another Telstra. You guys basically have no choice except to run for office and get some fresh blood into the relevant departments.
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Jan 8, 2011 19:52
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univbee posted:I'll admit that this part does make it difficult. Do you actually work for the ISP or just use them? If it's the former, how would one setup their service as a free zone? If there was a simple and established way to do this (e.g. "make a server with all the files and poo poo stored on it and send it to us so we can plug it into our freezone switch, we'll charge you [reasonable colocation fee]") I don't think this would be terribly against net neutrality. It's not like every website would need something like this either. Outside of porn, the biggest legal services that are data hogs can be counted on one hand. Employed by. Whether you're freezoned easily or not depends on who you are, what you serve and what you're willing to bring to the table. While it may not cost us international traffic (that's where all costs come from in Aus, those drat underwater cables) it still costs us significantly in the backhaul. Some stuff, like Xbox Live and iTunes we simply add their IPs into our freezone range, others like Hypernia have their servers racked in our DCs. Basically, freezone is not a trivial matter and the scenario you're describing above is unlikely, it's usually going to be something that goes through commercials to decide whether this is going to help us earn money - backhaul within Aus, even when you 'own' your own fibre, is not cheap. An example of that is that we used to have something called WAIX, a peering arrangement between a set of ISPs and WAIX traffic used to be free. Now free WAIX traffic is long gone, pretty much because of backhaul costs despite all the major players actually having a POP or core routers in the same building...
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Jan 8, 2011 20:14
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univbee posted:I have no doubt that it's not a trivial matter on the backend and is a project that would require considerable time to implement, but in saying that I can't think of very many legal sites that would cause a major overage (100 gigs +). Porn aside, there are extremely few legitimate services that push that kind of data. Like, no one's hitting their 100 gig limit just using Facebook. Netflix, Steam and YouTube are the major ones I can think of that would likely cause overages. Are there any other major websites that offer a significant overage risk (where there's a plausible chance you'd download 40+ gigs in a month)? Online backup, TV streaming, IPTV, iTunes... I can't think of much more. But whether a customer goes into overage or not is not the issue. Any data - within their quota or over it is something that costs us. I'm not really sure what you're trying to say here though, you seem to have strayed from the topic...
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Jan 10, 2011 09:50
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Do what we did in Australia in the early days - create your own "darknet". We had a tonne of enthusiasts put up their own WIFI masts and they created their own cap free wifi WAN that a lot of people ended up joining with simple directional antenna (think pringle can set ups for the cheapos, and real antennas for the people with dignity) No prizes for realising it was for city wide free P2P.
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