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gohuskies posted:He gets married, only to have his wife subsequently killed in OHMSS. Isn't that the same kind of thing? How many times can he have his character shaped by having a woman taken from him? He was actually visiting Vesper's grave when he meet his wife. It also gave his mission against SMERSH very very personal. Then with Tracy it was to give his fight against Blofeld meaning as before it was just something that he was doing part time. Vesper also betrayed him due to his job and Tracy got killed due to his jobs. It showed that he should never actully care about women as they will either betray him or die due to his job as an awful spy. bobkatt013 fucked around with this message at Jan 18, 2011 around 23:57 |
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gohuskies posted:He gets married, only to have his wife subsequently killed in OHMSS. Isn't that the same kind of thing? How many times can he have his character shaped by having a woman taken from him? Casino predated OHMSS so really the fact that he loses Mrs. Bond later seals the deal - he lost a miracle in his life. Vesper sort of shakes up the last traces of 'innocence' [for lack of a better word] professionally, while the wife represents the personal. It's a deadly one-two punch cumulatively and not necessarily irrelevent. Besides if you're going to adapt the origin it doesn't help to erase it as a plot point.
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Ash1138 posted:Ah, true. Still, Bond was rolling from 0 to sexytime in about 60 seconds so Craig's Bond is just as quick as all the others. Nothing really matches A View to a Kill where Bond sleeps with May Day for (apparently) the sole reason that she's naked in his bed. 57 year old Roger Moore and Grace Jones together at last!
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Ash1138 posted:Ah, true. Still, Bond was rolling from 0 to sexytime in about 60 seconds so Craig's Bond is just as quick as all the others. That's, like, part of the entire point of Bond and what I was mentioning earlier. The end result is what matters - it's part of what makes him stand out from other action heroes. With Bond, if there's a choice between the girl and the mission he (almost) always picks the mission, even if they die, because the world is more important than a woman. Connery's Bond was possibly the most obvious with this, he'd charm the skirt off of a woman, then 5 seconds later, slap her to get some information out of her if he felt she had it. At most, Bond gets slightly pissed when a woman is killed, which just makes it more interesting when he finally DOES fall in love with someone (OHMSS). If you lost that core part of Bond, he'd just be generic action hero #678494.
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Cacator posted:Nothing really matches A View to a Kill where Bond sleeps with May Day for (apparently) the sole reason that she's naked in his bed. 57 year old Roger Moore and Grace Jones together at last! Darko posted:That's, like, part of the entire point of Bond and what I was mentioning earlier. The end result is what matters - it's part of what makes him stand out from other action heroes. With Bond, if there's a choice between the girl and the mission he (almost) always picks the mission, even if they die, because the world is more important than a woman. Connery's Bond was possibly the most obvious with this, he'd charm the skirt off of a woman, then 5 seconds later, slap her to get some information out of her if he felt she had it. At most, Bond gets slightly pissed when a woman is killed, which just makes it more interesting when he finally DOES fall in love with someone (OHMSS). If you lost that core part of Bond, he'd just be generic action hero #678494.  at some of the moves he's pulled. Maybe it's just hitting me now because I didn't notice it when I watched these movies as a kid. At least M points this stuff out in the Craig films, like how it was pretty much unnecessary to bang Fields then get her mixed up in the deadly world of spycraft.
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In retrospect the chemistry between Bond and Vesper is probably my favorite thing about CR. I love all their scenes together, and it feels like the most human Bond movie to me because I bought into their relationship.
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Former Human posted:The scene with Fields in QoS was pretty much a Brosnan-style smirk move. One minute Fields is cold to Bond and trying to bring him in under orders, the next he says "I can't find the stationary, help me look" and she smiles and joins him in the bedroom. I guess having an expensive hotel suite was all he needed. In both Craig movies, he at least has a few minutes to be funny and charming. Maybe I'm just misremembering the Brosnan movies because I can't stand Brosnan's Bond and haven't seen them in a while, but I'm just picturing him walking up to a bank teller and asking her to accept his deposit with a smug look on his face.
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Human Tornada posted:In both Craig movies, he at least has a few minutes to be funny and charming. That's Bond for you. I just rewatched Goldfinger the other night and was reminded of the part early on where he grabs a key off a maid to let himself into Goldfinger's room and he's just like "Thanks, you're very sweet". She's not shown swooning or anything, just bewildered, but he just assumes (rightly...) that she won't contact her manager, the police, or Auric himself.
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Let's also not forget that great scene in the beginning of Goldfinger (which I'm watching nowish) where he's macking on a naked chick, sees a dude's reflection in her eye, and spins around so she takes a club to the noggin. He knows when the lovin is too good. e: "Dink, say goodbye to Felix. Man talk." *slaps rear end* God bless you, Sean Connery Bond. Dickeye fucked around with this message at Jan 19, 2011 around 20:19 |
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The naked dancer was in on it, though. She wasn't just an innocent human shield.
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Lobok posted:The naked dancer was in on it, though. She wasn't just an innocent human shield. Wasn't this directly parodied in Goldmember too, I think? The dancer chick with the square-patterned dress and the big titties?
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It was copied wholesale in Wild Wild West.
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Off topic, bit these HD technologies are doing miracles in revealing previously obscured racks in classic opening title sequences. Today's edition: Licence to Kill
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neolithic posted:Off topic, bit these HD technologies are doing miracles in revealing previously obscured racks in classic opening title sequences.
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neolithic posted:Off topic, bit these HD technologies are doing miracles in revealing previously obscured racks in classic opening title sequences. I saw the DVD recently, and trust me, it was never obscured.
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I never really got the QoS hatred. I mean, gently caress yeah it has a ton of flaws, but I was willing to overlook that because it actually had some amount of character development and an arc, something that had been rare for the whole series and entirely missing for years save the reboot. Hell, he didn't gently caress the classic Bond girl. I'm willing to give 200 points just for that subversion.
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Xiahou Dun posted:I never really got the QoS hatred. I mean, gently caress yeah it has a ton of flaws, but I was willing to overlook that because it actually had some amount of character development and an arc, something that had been rare for the whole series and entirely missing for years save the reboot. Hell, he didn't gently caress the classic Bond girl. I'm willing to give 200 points just for that subversion.
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I really enjoyed the continued use of Mathis in QOS Red Sky At Night?  http://www.denofgeek.com/movies/738...k_on_board.html
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Dead Snoopy posted:I really enjoyed the continued use of Mathis in QOS At least it doesn't have 'die' in it. None of that is true. This is the same paper that said Eddie Murphy would be the Riddler in Batman 3. Before Inception was announced. EDIT: False. http://www.mi6.co.uk/news/index.php...13&t=mi6&s=news Szmitten fucked around with this message at Jan 22, 2011 around 18:52 |
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Cacator posted:Nothing really matches A View to a Kill where Bond sleeps with May Day for (apparently) the sole reason that she's naked in his bed. 57 year old Roger Moore and Grace Jones together at last! Other way round wasn't it? She walked in to find him in her bed. Which is worse really.
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Dead Snoopy posted:I really enjoyed the continued use of Mathis in QOS Sailor's delight! Maybe it will focus more on Bond as Commander Bond like TSWLM and that other one with him in uniform that I can't remember.
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Former Human posted:That's one of Quantum's weakest points: it makes so many jumps in the story with practically no set up. I just finally got around to watching QoS and that's exactly what bugged me the most about it. I wanted to like it a lot more than I did but the constant "Wait, how did we get here from there?" feeling really dragged it down.
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Calaveron posted:Wasn't this directly parodied in Goldmember too, I think? The dancer chick with the square-patterned dress and the big titties? It was The Spy Who Shagged me. Austin saw the reflection in her eye of a guy. Across a crowded dancefloor. Aiming a rocket launcher. That's parody. The Wild Wild West thing was just ... Jesus all I remember is the awful dialogue in the seconds leading up to it as Smith is getting faux-rutty with the asian dancer girl; "I told you to meet me in the foyer." "Oh foi-yay? Well I uh, never was much good with French." *she kisses him* "Au contraire." ~ "So let's see Mr West, are you a dangerous spy of some sort? Or just a ... handsome cowboy, who likes to ... *huge rear end-shot* poke around?" "I believe I'm that second one." "East and West, never the twain ... shall ... meet ..." *reflection in eye, bang bang bang* Oh, his name was Jim West and she was someone someone East. That ... that probably helps the joke?
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Aside from the sad news of John Barry's passing, here's an interesting casting offer. Personally, I'd prefer someone a little lower-profile even though I have no doubt if he accepts he will be fantastic.
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Another bit of casting news. I'm really curious where they're going with this next one. That's two high profile actors being talked to for two different, both presumably villain, roles.
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fiennes blowfeld???????? (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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The Amputee House posted:fiennes blowfeld???????? Which is a drat shame, because bald, cat-stroking, monorail-obsessed megalomaniacs are far more entertaining than the prosaic dullards we've had as villains in Craig's Bond movies to date.
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Payndz posted:Dr Evil came from one single source Well... Blofeld and Lorne Michaels. But seriously, there's no reason to reprise Blofeld. Everything that he is has either been done already (I was going to say "hey maybe they can use Crazy Cosmetic Surgery Blofeld but then I remembered Die Another Day) or parodied as you point out. Not to mention that Fiennes made up to look like Blofeld would be similar to Voldemort.
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Who do you feel were the worst foes and the most underrated foes? I hated Tomorrow Never Dies Carver. I just couldn't take him seriously, which is a shame becuase they were a lot of good things in that movie. As for underrated, I also loved Die Another Day's Zao. Yes that movie is pure poo poo but a scarred bad guy as a result of Bond's meddling - with a pigmentation problem and a jewel encrusted face - had a lot of potential. Sigh...he could have been another Jaws.
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Zao was loving terrible, easily worse than anything else from the Brosnan era. They took what could have been an interesting setting and conflict (N. Korea) bland and dull by whitewashing him and retreading the GoldenEye satellite plot. And why in the name of Liz Taylor couldn't they get those diamonds out of his face? They were RIGHT THERE
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I always had mixed feelings about Jaws. I just don't get what this guy's deal is. I mean, the teeth are kind of cool I guess, but it just seems cheesy that in like all of the Roger Moore Bonds, Jaws just happens to show up, and then end up getting owned by Bond. Moonraker was actually kind of touching, to see the human side of Jaws, but I in general thought the character was just the kind of weirdo poo poo that makes the Roger Moore movies bad.
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I'm sorry, but Dominic Greene is the worst. -He's not imposing in the least (plus he weighs like 100 pounds max) -He's not that smart -His evil plan isn't very interesting (and is about as evil as your average Wall Street exec) -He doesn't even have a good chief henchman or something to make up for his failings I just can't take a guy who looks like a French hipster (and is about as scary as one) seriously. Not when they're supposed to go for a more 'realistic' Bond universe. They should have stuck with Mr. White as the villain, he was at least interesting. At least Le Chiffre was imposing and violent.
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Greene wasn't the greatest, but he did have some things going for him: his characteristics and his plot were very much grounded in reality (in fact it was in part based on a real water crisis in South America caused by some nefarious individuals) so I disagree with the above poster on that, and Amalric brought what I thought was a real sinister and creepy quality to the performance that you rarely get from other Bond villains. He felt like a real-world creep whenever he was on screen, but maybe others didn't get the same thing from him. Also, the whole idea of the movie's plot was actually very similar to Casino Royale: going after the organization's money. Greene was clearly funding them, so MI6 sends Bond in to gently caress his poo poo up. I dunno, it all worked for me, but I guess it wasn't everyone's cup of tea. The only thing I really hated in that movie was the no-chute jump out of the airplane. That kind of poo poo belongs in movies like Point Break, and really took me out of what was otherwise a semi-grounded movie.
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Colonel Whitey posted:Greene talk My biggest issue with him is that he's so completely forgettable. He just feels like generic side-villain #4 rather than the big boss Bond villain of the movie, like someone for Bond to take down on the way to defeating the real boss while
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It felt like they wanted Greene to have been played by Gary Oldman, but what they got just wasn't anywhere near as crazy fun as that would have been.
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The other notable thing about Greene is that he was able to get MI6 (and old time ally the CIA) to turn on Bond merely by existing as someone who could potentially get ahold of resources for the US and the UK. I felt that Quantum shows the Bond fans, new and old, that his own agency will not always have his back even if he is 'morally right'. While Greene is underwhelming for a lot of the Quantum detractors, this is a plot that showed us something none of the old Bond films had handled before. (unless it happened in one of the Brosnan movies I have not seen. I abandoned the franchise after "Goldeneye" and didn't come back until Casino Royale.)
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Colonel Whitey posted:Greene wasn't the greatest, but he did have some things going for him: his characteristics and his plot were very much grounded in reality (in fact it was in part based on a real water crisis in South America caused by some nefarious individuals) so I disagree with the above poster on that, and Amalric brought what I thought was a real sinister and creepy quality to the performance that you rarely get from other Bond villains. He felt like a real-world creep whenever he was on screen, but maybe others didn't get the same thing from him. Also, the whole idea of the movie's plot was actually very similar to Casino Royale: going after the organization's money. Greene was clearly funding them, so MI6 sends Bond in to gently caress his poo poo up. I dunno, it all worked for me, but I guess it wasn't everyone's cup of tea. I like Greene a lot for a few reasons. He is supposed to be a mere component of Quantum rather than the true mastermind, so that works for me. He is a little short and pathetic and strange to look at and talk to - this worked for me because he could have looked really pedestrian and conventional, just another man-in-a-suit. I liked the plan, because I interpreted it as effectively getting Quantum a seat at the international political table, and if Quantum was a supervillainous organisation which was actually also a genuine political power - which the UK and US were actually not entirely antagonistic towards - then that would be a really cool and interesting foe for Bond. (None of that actually materialised and I'm sure a lot of it is in my head, but whatever. It could come up in the sequel.) And there's the final fight scene. You know, in the exploding hotel, when he goes nuts and screams and tries to kill Bond with a fire axe. During that scene he actually feels murderous and wild and properly crazy, in contrast to other Bond villains who have always been relatively measured and calculating even in the final confrontation.
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qntm posted:And there's the final fight scene. You know, in the exploding hotel, when he goes nuts and screams and tries to kill Bond with a fire axe. During that scene he actually feels murderous and wild and properly crazy, in contrast to other Bond villains who have always been relatively measured and calculating even in the final confrontation. Overall the entire plot of QoS felt like too much of an epilogue or bookend to Casino Royale, rather than its own story. I mean, what really happens in the film that might impact the next movie? Mr. White gets away, and Bond locates Vesper's old boyfriend or whatever. That's about it.
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well their fleshing out the threat of Quantum nicely so I supoose all future fos will have ties.
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IceNiner posted:(unless it happened in one of the Brosnan movies I have not seen. I abandoned the franchise after "Goldeneye" and didn't come back until Casino Royale.) There were very mild shades in Die Another Day, I suppose, when they thought he was selling secrets. You were right to avoid that movie, though. But I'd give TWINE a try  As long as you can get past "nukular fizzicist".
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