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QoS has 2 great moments - Mathis' death scene, and Bond's stone cold murderface at the end of the fight with the ropes and scaffolding.
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That's how I always watch it. Cannot just watch CR without popping in QoS right afterwards. Greene reminded me so much of Roman Polanski it's weird. His henchman is like a cross between Morrissey and Quentin Tarantino. I also love how it being a capsule of our time how the Americans are more than happy to jump into bed with the Quantum organization. No other bond movies show the Governments of 1st world nation getting chummy with the bad guys. At best they're duped by them.
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Crackpipe posted:I was shocked when I found out people generally didn't like them. Dalton kind of became the black sheep of the Bond franchise after that long gap between movies, and the somewhat lukewarm reception of Licence to Kill. History's being very kind to his movies, though.
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Rageaholic Monkey posted:Quantum of Solace is only good when watched immidiately following Casino Royale. The movie feels too much like a third half to Casino Royale's whole package. Yeah, I think that's a good way to put it. I don't like QoS at all, but it's best as a payoff of all the stuff that CR sets up. I don't think it really works as a movie on its on tho, it really feels slapped together - the action is a LOT worse than in CR, there aren't really any cool 'Bond' moments, the story is really grim and dull, bolivian water shortage is dumb and boring - the Young Roman Polanski guy was good tho.
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"Young Roman Polanski" is Mathieu Amalric who does a fantastic job in "The Diving Bell and the Butterfly" and I do think he does a good job in Quantum of Solace, the best scene of which is the opera scene. The whole movie could have easily been 10 or 20 minutes longer to slow the pacing and develop characters more, mainly Greene and possibly Camille. I really liked the production design of the film though, because it felt very much like a callback to the 1960s.
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isk posted:QoS has 2 great moments - Mathis' death scene, and Bond's stone cold murderface at the end of the fight with the ropes and scaffolding. + the initial car chase + the opera scene and shootout + the end (he just looks so drat cool) I appreciate the style of QoS but it does make it less memorable because it's so disorienting and hard to follow.
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Someone on another sited pointed out how much the editing calms down once he meets mathis, which feeds into the idea that the whole thing is from Bond's perspective, filmed by bond, which kind of makes sense. Consider the opening chase, where the score is silent until he clears the tunnel and evens the odds a bit, or the opera, where the gunfight is silent, since what does a gunfight matter now he's realised the scale of what he's up against?
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I thought the reveal that Vesper's kidnapped boyfriend was actually a Quantum agent sent to become her boyfriend and get faux-kidnapped was really dumb. So he met her months (years?) before Casino, knowing that in the future she would be an important part of an MI6 operation dealing with his organization, and fortunately she actually liked him and fell in love with him? It's just too coincidental and there was no real reason to retcon the simpler "this chick had a boyfriend and he got kidnapped" plot.
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Tender Bender posted:I thought the reveal that Vesper's kidnapped boyfriend was actually a Quantum agent sent to become her boyfriend and get faux-kidnapped was really dumb. So he met her months (years?) before Casino, knowing that in the future she would be an important part of an MI6 operation dealing with his organization, and fortunately she actually liked him and fell in love with him? It's just too coincidental and there was no real reason to retcon the simpler "this chick had a boyfriend and he got kidnapped" plot.
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Casimir Radon posted:He's a con artist. Getting close to her was his job. Well yeah but con artists aren't wizards, there are a million reasons that she wouldn't have fallen for him or she wouldn't have gotten on a super secret mission involving Quantum and the plan would've been shot. I get that cons in movies always work but since this movie wasn't about a con it just introduced a completely unnecessary twist to a plot that already had a lot going on. Tender Bender fucked around with this message at Nov 12, 2010 around 06:30 |
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I always enjoy QoS, may not have the substance of Casino Royale but still a very solid film. I particularly appreciate the editing, a very well edited and directed film indeed.
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Tender Bender posted:Well yeah but con artists aren't wizards, there are a million reasons that she wouldn't have fallen for him or she wouldn't have gotten on a super secret mission involving Quantum and the plan would've been shot. I get that cons in movies always work but since this movie wasn't about a con it just introduced a completely unnecessary twist to a plot that already had a lot going on. Even if she'd never worked with mi6, she was still a highly placed accountant with access to a lot of funds. Chances are they've got a fair few people with highly placed workers. That Canadian Intelligence lady at the end of the film probably wasn't working on anything particularly big at the time, but down the road, who knows?
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Tender Bender posted:Well yeah but con artists aren't wizards, there are a million reasons that she wouldn't have fallen for him or she wouldn't have gotten on a super secret mission involving Quantum and the plan would've been shot. I get that cons in movies always work but since this movie wasn't about a con it just introduced a completely unnecessary twist to a plot that already had a lot going on. I think Quantum is big enough that if she didn't like the first guy they sent, they'd try again with someone else.
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Timby posted:Didn't they have to trim it quite a bit to get a PG-13 (which itself was still a first for the franchise)? PG-13 was only created a few years before License to Kill came out.
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Snowman_McK posted:Even if she'd never worked with mi6, she was still a highly placed accountant with access to a lot of funds. Chances are they've got a fair few people with highly placed workers. That Canadian Intelligence lady at the end of the film probably wasn't working on anything particularly big at the time, but down the road, who knows? Not to mention we learn that a member of the British Government IS a meber of Quantum, so how do we know that he's not the one who chose Vesper to go on the mission.
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Wandle Cax posted:I always enjoy QoS, may not have the substance of Casino Royale but still a very solid film. I particularly appreciate the editing, a very well edited and directed film indeed. I totally agree with this, I am baffled whenever people complain about the editing or CR and QoS being "Bourne-lite", as if Bourne had particularly well-edited fight scenes anyway.
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God Exists. posted:PG-13 was only created a few years before License to Kill came out. '84, I know, but that still leaves A View to a Kill and The Living Daylights. I was remarking more on the rather violent turn that Licence to Kill took and how it was a departure for the franchise.
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Wasn't the first really violent Bond movie Live and Let Die? The abscract on the back of the DVD case says exactly that. "New highs of sex and violence".
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Quantum of Solace is definitely watchable, there are some great setpieces (the opera sequence ranks among the best action sequences in all Bond films), but there's almost an equal amount of stupid poo poo. It's not nearly as good as Casino Royale, but it's far from the worst of the series.
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Blast Fantasto posted:Quantum of Solace is definitely watchable That's the knock on it, in my book. It's not terrible, like Moonraker or A View to a Kill or Die Another Day, but it's not especially good, either. It's very forgettable. Outside of Mathis, the opera sequence and some bits and pieces of the plane crash (and I can't even remember how the hell that last part happened), I can't recall a single thing from it. It's well-edited (although I still can't decide whether the scene locations being described by graphics on roads / buildings / etc. was silly or brilliant), but it's terribly directed. Forster had no idea whatsoever how to direct action, and the boat chase is a complete disaster. It has good moments here and there, but it's something I'll watch sometime on USA, nothing more.
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Timby posted:That's the knock on it, in my book. It's not terrible, like Moonraker or A View to a Kill or Die Another Day, but it's not especially good, either. It's very forgettable. Outside of Mathis, the opera sequence and some bits and pieces of the plane crash (and I can't even remember how the hell that last part happened), I can't recall a single thing from it. It's well-edited (although I still can't decide whether the scene locations being described by graphics on roads / buildings / etc. was silly or brilliant), but it's terribly directed. Forster had no idea whatsoever how to direct action, and the boat chase is a complete disaster. It has good moments here and there, but it's something I'll watch sometime on USA, nothing more.
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Cdishwalla posted:I'm confused, is the "uncut" version the one in the recent DVD sets? Cause that one is PG-13, but I always thought the movie was PG-13 to begin with. If I recall, Felix's shark attack and Benicio's death were fairly gruesome. The version in the recent DVD sets is the original uncut version. It was NOT released theatrically. This version was threatened with an R rating and cuts were made to secure a PG-13; however, it was resubmitted to the MPAA in 2006 and got a PG-13 uncut. The differences between this and the theatrical version are minimal but worth noting.
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So, what's the actual high of Bond's misogyny? I understand that the films are fairly old and it wasn't quite as a big deal to be a stone cold pimp in 60's movies. I'd say the 'plenty of gratuitous sex and violence' line would be up there.
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dolphins are gay posted:So, what's the actual high of Bond's misogyny? I understand that the films are fairly old and it wasn't quite as a big deal to be a stone cold pimp in 60's movies. I'd say the 'plenty of gratuitous sex and violence' line would be up there. http://www.yikers.com/video_sean_co...ping_women.html Graviton v2 fucked around with this message at Nov 13, 2010 around 00:02 |
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Cacator posted:No, it's that Lazenby has a vulnerability to him that Connery does not. Which would have made the scene that much powerful - to see a previously invulnerable guy weakened like that. Lazenby was acting kind of goofy for half the movie, so it kind of lessened the impact of the ending. Darko fucked around with this message at Nov 13, 2010 around 00:18 |
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dolphins are gay posted:So, what's the actual high of Bond's misogyny? I understand that the films are fairly old and it wasn't quite as a big deal to be a stone cold pimp in 60's movies. I'd say the 'plenty of gratuitous sex and violence' line would be up there. Misogyny doesn't mean being promiscuous - being "faithful to one woman" has nothing to do with respecting them as a gender. I technically wouldn't even call his slaps misogyny, since if it were a guy, he'd just punch them or worse for the same info. It's kind of like a combo of all of the above with him, with You Only Live Twice probably being the height.
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Timby posted:That's the knock on it, in my book. It's not terrible, like Moonraker or A View to a Kill or Die Another Day, but it's not especially good, either. It's very forgettable. Outside of Mathis, the opera sequence and some bits and pieces of the plane crash (and I can't even remember how the hell that last part happened), I can't recall a single thing from it. It's well-edited (although I still can't decide whether the scene locations being described by graphics on roads / buildings / etc. was silly or brilliant), but it's terribly directed. Forster had no idea whatsoever how to direct action, and the boat chase is a complete disaster. It has good moments here and there, but it's something I'll watch sometime on USA, nothing more. Would having the same 2nd unit director that 2/3 of the Bourne movies had account for the frenetic action scenes? I normally wouldn't think so, but Bond movies have their action scenes relegated to the 2nd unit director so that the director can concentrate on the whole movie.
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mojo1701a posted:Would having the same 2nd unit director that 2/3 of the Bourne movies had account for the frenetic action scenes? I normally wouldn't think so, but Bond movies have their action scenes relegated to the 2nd unit director so that the director can concentrate on the whole movie. Dan Bradley definitely left his mark on this movie. I love the action in the Bourne movies though, this was just a bunch of sloppy crap.
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dolphins are gay posted:So, what's the actual high of Bond's misogyny? I understand that the films are fairly old and it wasn't quite as a big deal to be a stone cold pimp in 60's movies. I'd say the 'plenty of gratuitous sex and violence' line would be up there. I don't know if you mean Bond's misogyny or the movie's misogyny but one of the highs would surely be him making Pussy Galore give in to him in the hay in Goldfinger. You could argue that there were strong lesbian overtones with her but even without that he forces himself onto her and she eventually gives up and starts kissing him back.
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Do not forget him tricking Solatire into giving him her virginity and her power.
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dolphins are gay posted:So, what's the actual high of Bond's misogyny? I understand that the films are fairly old and it wasn't quite as a big deal to be a stone cold pimp in 60's movies. I'd say the 'plenty of gratuitous sex and violence' line would be up there. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o55iezbr0sg
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dolphins are gay posted:So, what's the actual high of Bond's misogyny? I understand that the films are fairly old and it wasn't quite as a big deal to be a stone cold pimp in 60's movies. I'd say the 'plenty of gratuitous sex and violence' line would be up there. Thunderball. Molly Peters at Shrublands, who he blackmails into sex. Luciana Paluzzi in Nassau (what I did tonight was for king and country, not pleasure). And his pairing with Domino, he uses her the entire time. Even Paula gets used up.
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dolphins are gay posted:So, what's the actual high of Bond's misogyny? I understand that the films are fairly old and it wasn't quite as a big deal to be a stone cold pimp in 60's movies. I'd say the 'plenty of gratuitous sex and violence' line would be up there. Felix, say hello to Dink. Hi. Dink, say goodbye to Felix. Huh? Man-talk. *slaps on rear end*
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Licence to Thrill goes pretty in depth with Bond girls and how Bond treats them and to what end. When Roald Dahl wrote You Only Live Twice he was told:quote:So you put in three girls. No more and no less. Girl number one is pro-Bond. She stays around roughly through the first reel of the picture. Then she is bumped off by the enemy, preferably in Bond's arms. So yeah, the films are all pretty misogynistic in that women are either disposable, can be turned (from villainy or lesbianism) or are doting over him. It's present in every movie. But speaking of Quantum of Solace, which is wildly different, if you apply this formula to it it has some interesting connotations if you consider Miss Fields girl number 1 or 2.
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bobkatt013 posted:Do not forget him tricking Solatire into giving him her virginity and her power. Absolutely this, in my opinion. It's not just that he tricks her, it's that she's a voodoo priestess and he uses her religion against her by switching her entire deck of cards, then acts all innocent about it. A complete disregard for everything that she holds important. And because it's Roger Moore, this happens less than a minute after her paraglides onto an island, kicking a random henchman off a cliff as he does, and then changes into a light biege lounge suit (at night, in a forest) to sneak into her private room.
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Hames posted:And because it's Roger Moore, this happens less than a minute after her paraglides onto an island, kicking a random henchman off a cliff as he does, and then changes into a light biege lounge suit (at night, in a forest) to sneak into her private room.
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Colonel Whitey posted:I totally agree with this, I am baffled whenever people complain about the editing or CR and QoS being "Bourne-lite", as if Bourne had particularly well-edited fight scenes anyway.
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Colonel Whitey posted:I totally agree with this, I am baffled whenever people complain about the editing or CR and QoS being "Bourne-lite", as if Bourne had particularly well-edited fight scenes anyway. Bourne had some pretty well-done fight scenes, especialy in the second and third movies.
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Lascivious Sloth posted:Bond movies really don't age well. I used to love Bond as a kid and teenager, and as each movie released it was the best new part of the franchise (supposedly). Any of the movies that focus on the technology bond uses are the worst. Goldeneye is probably the only 20th century Bond that aged well and is still a classic, simply because the actual movie itself is good. I think Tomorrow Never Dies is a good movie and has aged better than Goldeneye. For example, you can pretend Bond's using an iPhone to operate the car in the parking garage. 
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In regards to QoS, wasn't there a scene that was cut in which Bond kills Mr. White at the end of the film? I seem to remember it been shot but not used because they may want him to appear in the next film..
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