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QoS was plauged by a few production issues. Firstly the writers strike happened just two days after the final draft was handed in. Then during production when the strike lifted a writer was hired in to rewrite stuff nearly daily, which accounts for the rather uneven plot at times. And then to top it off the editor only had five weeks to cut the movie, which is why stuff like the car chase at the start is so awkard to follow as they decided to edit out the fact there were more cars chasing Bond. So the editor's solution was to either cut shots where multiple cars could be seen, or blow up a shot and shift it to hide cars out of frame, which is why the opening shots look really bad as your focal point is jumping all over the place. Plus the lack of established geography within scenes, the whole film felt like it's a second cut where I've plotted out various options of where the film could go for the director's consideration.
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I've heard that about the cars before but I'm still not sure I get why it's preferable to go to ridiculous lengths to remove a car and seriously harm the coherency of the scene than just roll with the higher number of cars.
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| # ? Nov 18, 2010 21:53 |
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I like QoS pretty well and those issues are pointed out above are understandable, but don't address two big problems I have with it: 1. Daniel Craig is pretty much the most physically threatening Bond and yet they don't give him a good heavy to fight. I have no problem with Green as a villain, but I feel like even if they don't go with a cartoonish giant like Oddjob or Jaws, I would like to see Bond struggle to win a fight at some point. (The fight with the assassin in the hotel in Haiti and the fight with the Ugandans(?) in the hotel in Casino Royale are both pretty nice though). 2. The magic exploding hotel was amazingly lovely as a finale. It just seemed lazy, oh yeah the villains are meeting in a giant building-shaped bomb, one stray bullet and the whole place goes up. No big deal. The chemistry between Bond and M is great and the bit where they meet when Fields has been killed is one of my favorite scenes in any Bond flick. Wabbit fucked around with this message at Nov 18, 2010 around 23:00 |
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Someone, I think SMG did a little writeup on how each of the major action scenes in QOS were based on one of the four elements and that made me like it a little more but still not that much.
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| # ? Nov 18, 2010 23:03 |
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Wabbit posted:I like QoS pretty well and those issues are pointed out above are understandable, but don't address two big problems I have with it: I think 1. can be addressed as the creative team wanting to be a bit more grounded in reality. I think for Bond to be truly challenged he'd have to fight someone who's his equal, rather than some big lumbering weightlifter. Unfortunately, this logic enhances the problem of 2., which is that the hotel was admittedly very unrealistic while the series is trying to take a more grounded and serious tone. Still though, as far as Bond movies go, it's way low on the ridiculous spectrum.
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I hope I'm not alone in wishing the next Bond villain wouldn't be Eurotrash. I mean, Mikkelsen was great, and Amalric did okay (not really his fault that the character sucked monkey balls), but let's shake things up. I will be severely disappointed if the next Bond Villain isn't an American badass character actor, or Sam Neill.
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Noxville posted:I've heard that about the cars before but I'm still not sure I get why it's preferable to go to ridiculous lengths to remove a car and seriously harm the coherency of the scene than just roll with the higher number of cars. I remember there being a lot of problems during the car chase scenes with cars crashing and falling off cliffs. I'm pretty sure someone died during that too. They probably lost a few too many cars and couldn't finish the chase scene with the same ones/amount of cars. The Cosby Mysteries posted:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o..._Bond_character Dominic West? M: "Bond, in my office." Bond: "What the gently caress did I do?"
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Again, Sam Worthington? That man must work for nothing. Yes a Bond with a shaved head. Wait, what bit part did Gerry Bulter have in Tomorrow Never Dies?
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twistedmentat posted:Again, Sam Worthington? That man must work for nothing. How the hell does he keep getting roles? He is just a piece of wood, he is just there and has done nothing that impressive in any thing I have seen him in. It just boggles my mind that eh keeps on getting these high profile gigs.
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bobkatt013 posted:How the hell does he keep getting roles? He is just a piece of wood, he is just there and has done nothing that impressive in any thing I have seen him in. It just boggles my mind that eh keeps on getting these high profile gigs.
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Spatula City posted:I hope I'm not alone in wishing the next Bond villain wouldn't be Eurotrash. I mean, Mikkelsen was great, and Amalric did okay (not really his fault that the character sucked monkey balls), but let's shake things up. I will be severely disappointed if the next Bond Villain isn't an American badass character actor, or Sam Neill. Yeah because there is nothing better than passing up an unknown character actor and denying them their big break in an eye catching role over the same old American character actor who is 1 more part away from entering the Samuel L. Jackson realm of, "look...there's THAT guy who's the bag guy in everything I see'< and thus taking you out of the suspended disbelief of the theater you are engaging in. "Look...it's Michael Madsen. Why is HE in a Bond film?"
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twistedmentat posted:Wait, what bit part did Gerry Bulter have in Tomorrow Never Dies? I haven't seen the film in a while so I can't remember exact details but I'm pretty sure he's in the scene when the ship that's travelling near the South China Sea gets sunk by the torpedo from Carver's stealth boat. He has only one line and you see him for like a split second as one of the ship's crew members.
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| # ? Nov 19, 2010 07:04 |
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hahahaha they were actually considering Rex Harrison to play bond in 1961?
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Dead Snoopy posted:Yeah because there is nothing better than passing up an unknown character actor and denying them their big break in an eye catching role over the same old American character actor who is 1 more part away from entering the Samuel L. Jackson realm of, "look...there's THAT guy who's the bag guy in everything I see'< and thus taking you out of the suspended disbelief of the theater you are engaging in. I think thematically an American would make sense as the next villain. They already went halfway in QoS, showing the CIA having complicity in Greene's plans.
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| # ? Nov 19, 2010 07:30 |
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Well they have been musing about setting the next film in New York, which does literally take from the title "007 in New York".
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OOOOH.... exotic New York...
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Darko posted:In QoS, Bond teleports sometimes, cars disappear, it's just a mess that makes no sense. I haven't seen it but the book I've been reading implicitly says that OHMSS does the same thing, right down to teleporting and characters switching places to make it seem even more frantic. Just saying that the sense of confusion and manic editing can be a means to an end.
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| # ? Nov 19, 2010 11:48 |
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bobkatt013 posted:How the hell does he keep getting roles? He is just a piece of wood, he is just there and has done nothing that impressive in any thing I have seen him in. It just boggles my mind that eh keeps on getting these high profile gigs. Who, Worthington? I like him 
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Proposition Joe posted:Dominic West? Oh my god. Dominic West would have been an incredible Bond.
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Szmitten posted:I haven't seen it but the book I've been reading implicitly says that OHMSS does the same thing, right down to teleporting and characters switching places to make it seem even more frantic. Just saying that the sense of confusion and manic editing can be a means to an end. I absolutely hate the action editing in OHMSS as well - it's laughable, including speeding up a lot of the fights as well, and I find it unbelievable that more people don't notice it.
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Wabbit posted:The chemistry between Bond and M is great and the bit where they meet when Fields has been killed is one of my favorite scenes in any Bond flick. That entire sequence, from when Bond arrives at the hotel and gets the note, to when he gets in the car and leaves, is one of my favorite Bond sequences in any of the movies. From the suspense when he gets the note to the tension speaking to M and finding Fields. And then the absolutely incredibly brutal scene in the elevator like that poo poo is nothing, followed by how fluidly he's right back intercepting M and slipping out into the night, with her basically acknowledging that even trying to bring him in was just a waste of time is brilliant. It hits all the notes of Craig's Bond, and Bond in general, perfectly. It really seems like liking QoS is sort of an unpopular opinion around here, but oh well. I agree wholeheartedly it wasn't up to the standard Casino Royale set, but there's so many parts of it that I love which make it one of my favorite Bonds.
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Darko posted:I absolutely hate the action editing in OHMSS as well - it's laughable, including speeding up a lot of the fights as well, and I find it unbelievable that more people don't notice it. I just re-watched this again last night. The sped-up fight scenes and cars are a bit hokey, but it goes beyond speeding up. There really are parts where people teleport - I remember one in particular where one of Blofeld's henchmen is thrown to the ground, then he's magically on his feet coming at Bond, as if a few frames were cut out to jolt the audience. This movie does have one of the best henchmen deaths in the whole series, during the ski chase where one guy falls into the path of a snow plow, gets chewed up and sprayed out all over the snow. Classic.
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WebDog posted:QoS was plauged by a few production issues.
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Timothy Dalton is the most underrated bond. I keep saying this and people ask me "who is timothy dalton"; it breaks my heart.
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Mechafunkzilla posted:Oh my god. Dominic West would have been an incredible Bond. The rate West's career is going I'm sure he'll end up a Bond foe.
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Tender Bender posted:Someone, I think SMG did a little writeup on how each of the major action scenes in QOS were based on one of the four elements and that made me like it a little more but still not that much. In fairness, I was pointing out that it was retarded and borderline meaningless.
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:In fairness, I was pointing out that it was retarded and borderline meaningless. Which was Earth?
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Szmitten posted:Which was Earth? The car-duel in the Quarry?
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norris posted:Timothy Dalton is the most underrated bond. I keep saying this and people ask me "who is timothy dalton"; it breaks my heart. What breaks my heart is that he never got a third movie. Looking back I wish they had made one more around 1991-92 before switching gears to Goldeneye, even though that wasn't possible with all the legal poo poo going on. A Dalton trilogy would've been awesome in hindsight.
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Tim Dalton is a fantastic actor, period. He's also loving awesome with comedy after watching Hot Fuzz. Seriously, I was practically rooting for him because of how he nailed everything and went a step above.
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Oz Fox posted:hahahaha they were actually considering Rex Harrison to play bond in 1961? and Sid James, blimey.
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Gatts posted:Tim Dalton is a fantastic actor, period. He's also loving awesome with comedy after watching Hot Fuzz. Seriously, I was practically rooting for him because of how he nailed everything and went a step above. He was recently on Chuck. He was so fun to watch.
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One of the Bond threads had me and a couple others talking about random bits from the canceled third Dalton Bond. IMDB has a little of it, but Wiki used to have a lot of information on it in both the License to Kill and GoldenEye pages. Sadly info has been culled over the years very little is left. Apparently the script started out as an adaptation combing parts of Property of a Lady and of one of the Bond continuation novels called Colonel Sun. Then the producers got cute and added a chemical weapons plot in Scotland as part of a larger plan to disrupt the gradual turnover of Hong Kong to the Chinese. Apparently Bond had to fight a crazy North Korean who instead of genetic engineering and a rip off of the diamond satellite laser from Diamonds are Forever had an army of homicidal robots and a New World Order to establish. EON was going to spend obscene amounts of money to have Disney build the most advanced robots ever seen on film at that time. That's what I believe it said anyway. I should probably check what Google has archived for the page. Gatts posted:Tim Dalton is a fantastic actor, period. He's also loving awesome with comedy after watching Hot Fuzz. Seriously, I was practically rooting for him because of how he nailed everything and went a step above. I remember loving the Rocketeer as a youngster. The villain Hollywood leading man, comic genius, scheming general, gangster, test pilot, scum bag, and secret Nazi spy worked on so many great levels. Years later I found out it was Dalton. He deserves a lot of credit for taking what essentially was a run of the mill comic book villain and making something of it. I know the movie flew like a led balloon for the majority of the movie public, but to like a 5 year old kid it was something spectacular. LaptopGun fucked around with this message at Nov 21, 2010 around 03:38 |
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As fine an actor Craig is, as polished his dialog may be, he seems like he's almost forcing that rugged presence, whereas it was natural for Connery. Connery walks into a room, and you KNOW it's James Bond,without even thinking about it. Women are immediately thinking about having sex with him. Craig's ego doesn't seem instinctive, but perhaps that's what Ian Fleming calls for in his actual character. Pierce Brosnan was the other Bond whose charisma was natural, he had so much potential. bruckner fucked around with this message at Nov 21, 2010 around 19:10 |
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LaptopGun posted:I remember loving the Rocketeer as a youngster. The villain Hollywood leading man, comic genius, scheming general, gangster, test pilot, scum bag, and secret Nazi spy worked on so many great levels. Years later I found out it was Dalton. He deserves a lot of credit for taking what essentially was a run of the mill comic book villain and making something of it. I know the movie flew like a led balloon for the majority of the movie public, but to like a 5 year old kid it was something spectacular. Not to mention one of the best deaths in all of cinema: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ahPWcmUXLp8 I can only hope that when my time comes that leaving this world wearing a tuxedo, flying a jetpack, and exploding (defacing a major cultural landmark in the process) is not too outrageous a death to aspire to.
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While I like Craig, I still am somewhat disappointed that Clive Owen didn't get the role. He seems more Bond-like and would have done a fantastic job.LaptopGun posted:I remember loving the Rocketeer as a youngster. The villain Hollywood leading man, comic genius, scheming general, gangster, test pilot, scum bag, and secret Nazi spy worked on so many great levels. Years later I found out it was Dalton. He deserves a lot of credit for taking what essentially was a run of the mill comic book villain and making something of it. I know the movie flew like a led balloon for the majority of the movie public, but to like a 5 year old kid it was something spectacular. The Rocketeer is a great movie, even as an adult. 
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bbf2 posted:While I like Craig, I still am somewhat disappointed that Clive Owen didn't get the role. He seems more Bond-like and would have done a fantastic job. A lot of people say this and I don't believe it. Clive Owen himself doesn't want the role, and if he did he'd be like Lazenby, adequate but nothing special. He's too brutish for the role for one thing.
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bruckner posted:As fine an actor Craig is, as polished his dialog may be, he seems like he's almost forcing that rugged presence, whereas it was natural for Connery. Connery walks into a room, you KNOW it's James Bond,without even thinking about it. Women are immediately thinking about having sex with him. Craig's ego doesn't seem instinctive. But perhaps that's what Ian Fleming calls for in his actual character. I kind of agree, I like Craig as Bond but a side effect of his intensity is that he does feel like he's trying, while as you said Connery just was.
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Szmitten posted:Which was Earth? The stupid tunnel chase/rope fight. Followed by the boat, plane and exploding hotel. Don't ask me how the opening car chase and opera scenes fit into this, because I don't believe the filmmakers worked it out either.
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Timothy Dalton was a great Bond, he was great in Hot Fuzz and The Rocketeer and, best of all, in Flash Gordon, where he runs into a room full of Space Nazis with a laser-machine gun and yells "Freeze! Yer bloody bastards!" in a beautifully authoratitive manner while looking like Errol Flynn in The Adventures of Robin Hood. Basically, he deserved a much longer tenure than he got because he's goddamn great. Back to Quantum of Solace, it was the first Bond film that I didn't bother to go see at the cinema (my first was For You Eyes Only - gently caress, I'm old) as everyone I knew who had seen it utterly despised it. When I finally did (during a long-haul flight), I was surprised to find it was watchable enough at the time but as some of you have said, good grief is it unmemorable or what? Very little of it sticks in the mind at all afterwards. After really struggling for a few minutes, I can remember a car chase at the start, the Goldfinger homage and some wooden hotel(?) taking forever to burn down at the end and nothing else. Even the title song's impossible to recall.
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