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Party Boat
Oct 31, 2007

where did that other dog come from

who is he


Relevant scene in lovely quality: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ONtHT-aVNFE

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OneThousandMonkeys
Oct 9, 2005

The Strangest Vengeance Ever Planned


Yeah, I see why I missed it now.

I'm also the guy that has seen The Dark Knight a bunch but has yet to remember to keep looking for Two-Face to get in the car with the mob boss.

Mister Roboto
Jun 15, 2009

I SWING BY AUNT MAY's
FOR A SHOWER AND A
BITE, MOST NATURAL
THING IN THE WORLD,
ASSUMING SHE'S
NOT HOME...

...AND I
FIND HER IN BED
WITH MY
FATHER, AND THE
TWO OF THEM
ARE...ARE...

...AAAAAAAAUUUUGH!


OneThousandMonkeys posted:

Yeah, I see why I missed it now.



I suppose, in fairness, she does just sort of slump over instead of exploding in a spray of blood. In fact there's no blood at all, so you'd have to pick up on the fact that the glass fell to the ground, meaning she jerked forward from the bullet.

So it's understandable that someone could blink-and-miss and then wonder where she went.


Also, rewatching Bond's "waste of good scotch" line, you can really tell he was doing that as a distraction. A typical Bond one liner that he wasn't really putting his heart into...but it worked anyways.

Vegetable
Oct 22, 2010


When I saw it I thought she faints or slumps over from fright, and Silva just takes it as a win. The lack of Bond misery afterwards and his pithy one-liner ("A waste of good scotch") probably didn't help clarify what happened.

effectual
Feb 9, 2013


Well Silva foreshadows it by saying he discards what he doesn't need. And hitting the girl makes the glass fall, and she's an easier target. It was pretty obvious to me. So was Bond's quip being a distraction, not evidence he hates women. He's regressive, not a MRA.

OneThousandMonkeys
Oct 9, 2005

The Strangest Vengeance Ever Planned

effectual posted:

Well Silva foreshadows it by saying he discards what he doesn't need. And hitting the girl makes the glass fall, and she's an easier target. It was pretty obvious to me. So was Bond's quip being a distraction, not evidence he hates women. He's regressive, not a MRA.

They have established an undercurrent of misogyny as a real part of Bond's character for three movies now, as opposed to a running "joke."

bobkatt013
Oct 8, 2006

Yes join me


OneThousandMonkeys posted:

They have established an undercurrent of misogyny as a real part of Bond's character for three movies now, as opposed to a running "joke."

I saw it as due to Vesper he can no longer trust them. He can not trust them since he thinks they will betray him so he just uses them and leaves them, however I saw that he sees men in the same way and he is unable to form attachments.

Mister Roboto
Jun 15, 2009

I SWING BY AUNT MAY's
FOR A SHOWER AND A
BITE, MOST NATURAL
THING IN THE WORLD,
ASSUMING SHE'S
NOT HOME...

...AND I
FIND HER IN BED
WITH MY
FATHER, AND THE
TWO OF THEM
ARE...ARE...

...AAAAAAAAUUUUGH!

Seriously, rewatch the clip and watch Bond's facial expression. Craig does a good job of showing Bond feels saddened/distressed, he distractedly ponders a little bit to think up a one-liner only to IMMEDIATELY use it as a distraction.

Party Boat
Oct 31, 2007

where did that other dog come from

who is he


His voice cracks a tiny bit as he delivers the line, it's perfect.

OneThousandMonkeys
Oct 9, 2005

The Strangest Vengeance Ever Planned

bobkatt013 posted:

I saw it as due to Vesper he can no longer trust them. He can not trust them since he thinks they will betray him so he just uses them and leaves them, however I saw that he sees men in the same way and he is unable to form attachments.

I'm not saying it's not written well, it's just that he almost literally says "From now on I'm a cold bastard and women are my tools, if anything." Which is sort of how he deals with the fact that he's an emotional wreck.

Daniel Craig Bond is really awesome.

Rapey Joe Stalin
Jun 12, 2007

This is not the pleasure planet I was promised!



On Her Majesty's Secret Surface.

Fangz
Jul 5, 2007
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XHnMDGIbFkc

OneThousandMonkeys posted:

I'm not saying it's not written well, it's just that he almost literally says "From now on I'm a cold bastard and women are my tools, if anything." Which is sort of how he deals with the fact that he's an emotional wreck.

Daniel Craig Bond is really awesome.

He literally says that, but then he spends the entire next film avenging Vesper, and film 3 is about him risking everything to protect another woman who has betrayed him, M.

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Danger Dog
Sep 19, 2011


I heard "Feeling Good" today and thought, "Wow, I wish Nina Simone had done a Bond theme." And it turns out she did Casino Royale (1967). I guess there was such a thing as a shoe-in Bond singer even 46 years ago.

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