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Essobie
Jan 31, 2003

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Sore necks will certainly happen, but not because it is a bad product. It's because your neck is more than likely out of shape. If you think about it, most adults specifically go out of their way to not use their neck muscles as much as possible.

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Essobie
Jan 31, 2003

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http://www.eechcentral.com/

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Daimo posted:

I guess its some consolation that graphics will not continue to improve forever. I would likely never upgrade my computer again if I could get FSX to look like the above.

The trick is making it look good at a decent framerate, though. If it isn't running at 60Hz, I'm going to dial back the options.

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Jan 31, 2003

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Fuzzysocksucker posted:

Stuff about old joysticks

I seriously doubt anyone is still making anything of the sort. And if you were to find one somewhere (ebay/craigslist/etc.) it'd likely be a Gameport controller rather than a USB controller, and I'm not even sure if there are gameport controllers for Windows Vista/7.

Good luck!

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Jan 31, 2003

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You can bomb a floating raft with bags of flour in FSX. Does that count?

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Jan 31, 2003

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Get a Saitek x52 for the throttle (since you apparently don't like the stick) and then use the Logitech Extreme 3D Pro for your stick. I'm pretty sure someone else in this thread has that combo and loves it.

I personally think the x52 and x52 pro are great... if you can find one that works

I think the perfect stick would really be a G940 without the force feedback nonsense. The stick and the throttle felt fantastic and were really well made, but I just could not get around how blah the force feedback felt (and hearing about the overheating issues makes me happy I took it back when I did).

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Jan 31, 2003

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Jefferoo posted:

Just picked up Apache vs. Havoc + Commanche vs. Hokum + Interstate '76: The Arsenal off of GOG.com. I heard something about integrating AvH and CvH, is that true at all?

First do this: http://www.eechcentral.com/wiki/ind...guide_with_EEAH

Then do this: http://www.eechcentral.com/wiki/ind...tallation_guide

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Jan 31, 2003

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Keep your airspeed below the maximum limits of the rotors. I can't remember off the top of my head what those are, but you can reach them pretty fast in just about all of the copters. I think the manuals list them somewhere.

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Jan 31, 2003

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I believe I read somewhere that the Steam version is only going to patch up to 4.09m. I'm downloading it off of Steam myself since the only "clean" directory I have of IL2 is 4.08.

I'll report back and let you know for sure.

Edit: Goddammit. I forgot to alt-tab out of the single player steam game I was playing and it paused the download, and now I can't get it above 300kb/s, so it'll be another hour. I'll likely be in bed by that time. Hope you weren't waiting with baited breath on this one!

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Was that his second wife at the destination? SO REAL.

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Yeah, I pretty much have to have that. What crazy DRM will I have to deal with for the US version... any idea?

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Jan 31, 2003

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yuPlay says unlimited online activations, which isn't so bad... but it isn't all that clear about if you have to stay online. Minimum specs requires the net connection, but does that mean just to activate the once, or does it call home constantly during single player?

Also, apparently you can change the language in the setup... so why was the Russian version required for you, Jefferoo?

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Jan 31, 2003

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The only thing I didn't like about the Extreme 3D Pro was the smallish throw and the fairly tight movement... but those are both very subjective complaints. It's a solid stick and a steal at the current price tag.

And if you really like the action on the stick but you want to upgrade to a full HOTAS, you can pick up a Saitek x52 or x52pro and just use the throttle half (I believe a number of folks in these sim threads do exactly this and love it).

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Jan 31, 2003

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Yeah, the x52 and x52 pro are the loosest sticks available, I believe... although I've never tried anything from Thrustmaster in the last 7 or so years, so I'm not sure. I have an x52pro and I think it feels perfect... and it isn't bolted to anything.

I don't remember the x52 being any stronger than that, so I'm not sure why you'd need to bolt it down either. Hrm.

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Jan 31, 2003

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Well, I understand that... I'm just not sure why it was sliding around. Did your stick not come with rubber stumps on the bottom? Or is your desk covered in Vaseline? I had two x52's prior to my current pro and none of them had any problems staying still using just the rubber stumps on a smooth glass or, now, a wooden surface.

I guess I just got lucky. Obviously the sticks come with holes specifically for folks to mount it on something; I just figured it was to mount it in your virtual cockpit rather than to just make sure it didn't fall over while on a regular desk.

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A high resolution facing a single direction is nothing compared to being able to look around without having to snap to a bunch of different camera views with a POV Hat switch, no matter how big the screen is.

If he's ever played with head tracking, he'll need it no matter what.

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Jan 31, 2003

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I, too, took the G940 back. FFB just isn't good enough in enough flight sims to warrant the pricetag. Granted, I never got to use a fancy FFB addon for FSX, but that sim isn't my bag anyway.

Would be nice to try the G940 again in Cliffs of Dover, but I think that ship has sailed.

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Jan 31, 2003

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Dominoes posted:

I really hope Cliffs of Dover has well-implemented, sophisticated FFB; I was dissapointed in DCS A-10's. FFB is heavily dependent on implementation by game devs.

Yeah... which is why I didn't think the cost of the unit was worth the risk. Granted, I already had about 200 bucks sunk into an x52pro (don't spend that much, people) so returning the logitech for a refund was a sane option. If I didn't still have the Saitek... well, I'd probably still be bumping around with the g940.

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Colonial Air Force posted:

His computer plane crashes enough as it is.

Could not let this one go by.

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Jan 31, 2003

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This has been stated in a few different sim threads by a few people, but I'll say it again: a good head tracking solution is a better flight sim investment than having the perfect joystick.

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Jan 31, 2003

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Apparently a webcam and FaceTrackNoIR is supposed to be pretty good now. I wouldn't know because after you shell out the $150 for TrackIR5 you stop keeping up with such things.

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SwimNurd posted:

How does Games for Windows Live dumb down a game? It is an MS product, all MS games are GFL. It is just MS's version of Steam.

You read his sentance wrong. It should read like this:

"Games for Windows Live is literally hitler. Furthermore, it sounds like they are dumbing everything down 'to make the experience easier for virtual fliers of all interests and skills.'"

Essobie
Jan 31, 2003

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Most of the usefulness of a Joystick is that it leaves your other hand free to grapple a throttle controller with a whole slew of other buttons/functionality on it. I would imagine tying both hands to a yoke that has only so many buttons on each side would severely limit the number of things you could do quickly and easily.

I don't think I'd ever want to play a combat sim on a yoke.

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Daimo posted:

However I'm not sure whether this counts as a yoke or joystick:



I think that is technically a stick. I would say that a "stick" is something where both X and Y axes are on the same joint, where a yoke has X and Y on two separate joints. I'm just throwing that out there as a way to define them. Normally I would just say that is a stick because you can hold it with one hand and be okay.

Essobie
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Still looks like giant clouds of fart.

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I'm definately going to reinstall RoF (even though I feel a bit ripped off since what is now free is something I essentially paid money for*). I haven't tried it since I got the new rig, and while it played rather well on my previous system, it'll probably be insane/awesome on my new one.

*Technically got it for free with TrackIR 5.0 in a combo deal that costs as much as a TrackIR 5 does by itself direct from NaturalPoint. Still sucks though! I have a DVD and everything!

Essobie
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"Exaggerate" is not quite the correct word to describe how head tracking in flight sims work. "Scales" is more accurate. The software (at least TrackIR and Freetrack; they are the only ones I have any experience with) allows you to set up graphs that show a specific curve of the scaling that goes on in each axis. And TrackIR (possibly Freetrack) allows you to set up curves for different profiles, and then those profiles can be assigned to specific game executables.

And the defaults are playable if you are really good at keeping your head still (or the game has a way to lock you into gunsight view), but I prefer graphs that have a bit of a deadzone in the middle of all of the axis setups. This means that minute movements around "looking straight at your monitor" don't have any affect on the camera view in game, but as you turn away from center it ramps up.

You just have to make sure you can get to the extents of a particular axis and still be facing the camera so it can see you AND so that you can still see the monitor.

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I've watched all of these videos over the weekend off and on, and they helped... a little.

I got way better against bots today after "zeroing my sights" with the F10 button to save my head center. Not having to actually move my head in an awkward position when firing helps a ton.

Next I'm going to start practicing snap rolls because his video on that made that little skill look stupid useful.

I really need to find a good resourse for comparing the different aircraft to know what the best way to fight in any given matchup.

Edit: Google to the rescue... looks like this is exactly what I was looking for: http://www.virtual-air.nl/

Edit2: Meh... it's just parroting the stats listed here which doesn't spell it out for me what their strengths and weaknesses are in different matchups. I'll keep looking.

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The inevitable "Essobie rammed someone and got cut in half" skin for the Fokker D7.



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Minto Took posted:

The insignia are wonderful.

Oh yeah... I didn't mean to take credit for all of that skin. The grenade insignia was created by another goon in the IL2 thread... but unfortunately it has been ages since we all played SEOW where we used that for just about all of the Axis skins that people made. I don't remember who the nice fellow was who created it. Speak up if you are that goon!

The rest is all me. However, it isn't like making skins for Rise of Flight is in any way difficult. They even provide high quality templates, with weathering and rivit overlays and everything right on their site. I literally did the above in about an hour and a half, and most of that was getting the dds plugin installed and copying over my camo and logo and such from IL2 skins I had.

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GFWL = Will have to be $10 or less for me to deal with it. Those are the rules. :\

Does look pretty, however.

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Wolfy posted:

What do you mean 10 or less?

I mean I won't put up with GWFL garbage unless the game is 10 dollars or less. At least that is the rule I'm trying to stick by. I am missing out on Dirt 3 because of this rule.

If Flight was just amazingly fantastic, I might pick it up for more than 10, but given that FSX is still priced above that and is years old, I don't see Flight getting posted as a Weekend Deal on Steam for in my lifetime.

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Wolfy posted:

What's wrong with GFWL? It's not exactly the coolest thing in the universe but it's not exactly something that would make me not want to play a game I was really looking forward to. It is kind of annoying, but it's no ubisoft copy protection scheme.

It is slow, clunky, annoying, ties up your HOME button (or some keyboard combination including HOME, which is what I bind to one of my mouse buttons), and is essentially not needed for anything I want to do while gaming. I don't care about achievements, I don't want to have yet another friends list, and I don't have Xbox Live Gold (nor do I even play my Xbox anymore) so tying it to the same account is useless.

Instead of consolidating things for a bunch of games that I might want to play, it instead adds yet one more thing that is trying to consolidate games I might want to play. What's worse is when it is on a Steam title and I have to not only log into Steam, but also log into GFWL after the fact... and in some cases, they don't patch in the same way, causing errors, and sometimes, save game loss.

I'm sure if I really thought about it, I could come up with more, but I think that is enough issues that I have with it to warrant me having the rule and still having plenty of entertainment software to... you know, entertain me.

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Blistex posted:

I'm guessing they'd need an additional 3 hall sensors to get the rudder and throttle up to spec? (2 in throttle, 1 in rudder?)

Ebay and a few other sites say $20-30 for a single hall sensor, but a company like logitech probably gets them for $2-3 per unit. Has anyone modded their G940 to replace the pots with Hall Sensors?

I doubt it, given Logitech's stellar support. Why mod something that happens to stop working (and potentially, no pun intended, might ruin your stick and void your warranty) when you can get it fixed/replaced?

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As stated in the Steam thread, do not buy anything during the sale unless it is a "Daily Deal". Granted, these are sims so likely won't get any front page time so 33% is as much as you'll probably get, but as far as I know, they will be on sale until the last day of the sale, so if you can wait a few days, you MIGHT get a few more bucks off.

I haven't picked up Warthog since I have a ton of other poo poo to play right now, but if it drops to 50% off, I'll snatch it up immediately.

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Whoforthenwhat posted:

Its on my list of possible sticks to replace the aviator. Though I heard the stick is rather weak/light on its centering. Did you ever have issues with it in this regard?

I wouldn't put it like that, really. The x52s just aren't very tight sticks, but if you let go they come back to center just fine. It isn't like they fall out of center when you are not applying pressure or anything. But if you really like a stiff stick, the x52s are not for you.

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Here4DaGangBang posted:

drat, that sucks.

I have a couple of quick questions, I have googled some of this but I haven't been able to find responses as detailed as I'd like (at least on the X52 part).

X52 Pro - good stick? Works well on Mac? Does anyone know if the little MFD works a). on a Mac and b). with X-Plane? Most of the forum posts I have found on this are from 2008 or so.

TrackIR - good for Mac? Good for X-Plane?

I have a x52pro. However, I have no idea if it works on a Mac. I do know that I have not once used the MFD for anything. The MFD on the regular x52 I believe did a bunch of automatic (and useless) stuff like show your altitude or air speed (stuff that is much easier to just look at on your display). But when I got the pro (I went through 3 regular x52s with manufacturing flaws and just bought a pro out of frustration) I realized that the only way to make use of it was to actually program it. With actual code. Or find someone who has already made a plug in for your favorite sim title that will work on it.

In other words, the pro is not worth the extra cash, whether it works on a mac or not. If you like the feel of the stick (a bit loose) and like a lot of buttons and the possible expense of spikey control axes, get a Saitek x52 (not the pro). They are going well under $100 now.

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x239marine posted:

I am looking to pick up Apache: air assault for the PC.

I know it is made by the same guys who did wings of prey, but other than that finding info on it is fairly tricky.

Is it the same kind of deal as with WoP where the PC and console versions differ quite a lot in terms of the PC version being continually updated and having new features added?

edit: Also should mention I already have Black Shark which Is fantastic, is apache's realistic difficulty even approaching that in terms of detail?

I have been eyeing that title for a while so I went googling for you.

I found this thread: http://forum.gaijinent.com/index.ph...on-impressions/

Which lead to this LP of the PC version: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jVKe...player_embedded

Let's watch it together!

Edit: It looks very pretty, but I'm kinda disappointed, at least by this first couple of LP videos, that the gun camera is so damned shaky. The guy doing the LP of it is similarly annoyed... he even made a comparison video between the game and real life footage (warning, the second clip of real life footage is apparently watching an Apache kill actual humans): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DsEU...=watch_response

I'm also disappointed that you aren't required to land in the first mission in the campaign, but apparently it makes you land in the second... so it isn't 100% unrealistic.

It also isn't on Steam, and apparently has only been released in Europe so far. It is also YuPlay, just like WoP, so I'll probably pass on this unless it goes for like $5 or so.

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At least you get to fly before spending hours and hours getting things just right in your config only to find out you don't really like flying a Blackshark all that much.

What I'm saying is, you are actually doing it right. My method I get some tiny bit of satisfaction of setting up my controllers just so, and then a variable about of enjoyment out of the actual sim/game.

I too have an x52pro, but I haven't done the DCS A-10 yet. I might not ever.

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Whoforthenwhat posted:

Get 5, and make sure you get the Track Clip Pro.

The biggest changes between 4 and 5 is the sensor resolution and field of view, noticeable when you want to make fine movements in something like DCS.

But yeah get the 5 with track clip pro and wonder how you ever managed without it.

You really only need the track clip pro if your play area has any lighting that is going to gently caress with the infrared camera... or if you just really hate wearing hats and use headphones already. If you game in a cave like myself, don't mind wearing a ballcap, and don't play with headphones, the hat clip works fine. At least with the TrackIR5.

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