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Polikarpov
Jun 1, 2013

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hailthefish posted:

It would be much easier to nullify PGMs by being hard to find, than by somehow nullifying the GPS system.

Or attracting them with elaborate maskirovka in the spirit of the inflatable tanks used before d-day to fool Hitler.

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Polikarpov
Jun 1, 2013

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That sort of thing is why I really prefer walking out the anchor on the windlass. It's slower but why run the risk of losing your ground tackle and getting your guys hurt or killed?

The Navy really has a hardon for tradition, though. They love dropping from the hawse which is something a merchant ship would only do if they didn't have time to walk the anchor to the water's edge.

We didn't see the let go so I'm wondering if they did it with the brake or if they still use that horribly dangerous pelican hook and guy with a sledgehammer method you see in the deck manuals.

Polikarpov
Jun 1, 2013

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I come bearing .gifs




F-4s and F/A-18s go to the circus


Hot R-27 on F-4 action

I've gotta go to bed now but I'll pull some more .gifs out of the Area 88 OVAs tomorrow.

Polikarpov fucked around with this message at 17:38 on Aug 19, 2014

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Jun 1, 2013

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"Northern Steel" is a pretty :black101: name for a sub.

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Jun 1, 2013

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BIG HEADLINE posted:

I think the idea of converting an Iowa into an LHD was a pipedream of someone, but it never got off the ground.

Here's someone who had way more time on their hands than our Gavin-lover:

http://www.shipmodels.info/mws_forum/viewtopic.php?p=502557&sid=4a8aba3b370a0dfa3970ff3f966518a8#p502557

Further down the very same page was a through-deck cruiser design that basically looked like a smaller American copy of the Kiev, which is probably why it didn't get built.

EDIT: More pictures, less sperg: http://www.modelshipgallery.com/gallery/misc/whatif/tinian-350-rw/rw-index.html

It's funny to see a guy advocating for turning a commercial hull into a pocket amphib because its exactly what the navy ended up doing with the Mobile Landing Platforms.



quote:

Unlike the first two Mobile Landing Platforms, MLP-3, MLP-4, and MLP-5 will serve as afloat forward staging bases (AFSB) vessels to support special forces missions, counter-piracy/smuggling operations, maritime security operations, and mine clearance, as well as humanitarian aid and disaster relief missions.

AFSB vessels are designed to support low-intensity missions, allowing more expensive, high-value amphibious warfare ships and surface combatant warships to be re-tasked for more demanding operational missions for the U.S. Navy.[11] These AFSB variants are slated to operate in the Middle East and the Pacific Ocean.

Like the first two Mobile Landing Platforms, the overall design of the MLP-3 and MLP-4 is based on the hull of the civilian Alaska-class oil tanker.[12] Both AFSB variants will be outfitted with support facilities for its mine-sweeping, special operations, and other expeditionary missions. An accommodation barge will also be carried to support up to 298 additional mission-related personnel.[11] Their aviation facilities include a flight deck with landing spots for two heavy-lift transport CH-53 helicopters, as well as additional deck space for two more CH-53s. The Puller will also have a helicopter hanger, an ordnance storage magazine, underway replenishment facilities, and deck space for mission-related equipment storage.

The United States Navy ordered MLP-3 in February 2012 as part of the Fiscal Year 2013 appropriation for the U.S. Department of Defense via the National Defense Sealift Fund (NDSF).[11][13] The keel-laying ceremony for MKP-3 took place at the General Dynamics NASSCO shipyard in San Diego, California, on 5 November 2013.

On 16 January 2014, at the Surface Naval Association's national symposium, the head of NAVSEA's Strategic and Theater Sealift program, Captain Henry Stevens, announced that the Bell-Boeing MV-22 Osprey tilt-rotor aircraft (pictured) will be evaluated for potential operations on board the Afloat Forward Staging Base MLP variant. Currently, the testing and certification of MH-53E helicopters for minesweeping operations from AFSB support ships are slated to begin during fiscal year 2016. Additionally, Captain Stevens noted that the F-35B STOVL strike fighter was not currently being considered for AFSB operations because of exhaust heat from F-35B damaging the flight decks of U.S. Navy amphibious assault ships.

Also forget those limp-wristed hybrid Iowa conversions, lets go full fleet carrier with this thing!

Polikarpov fucked around with this message at 12:01 on Oct 2, 2014

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Jun 1, 2013

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Craptacular posted:

Surprisingly, not one Gundam.

Linked for anime: http://i.imgur.com/cyJBioS.jpg

On the other hand their Gepard clone is supposedly nicknamed the "Guntank"

Polikarpov
Jun 1, 2013

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ALL-PRO SEXMAN posted:

You can't occupy planets with orbiting ships, smartass. And what else are you gonna call soldiers carried around in ships? I mean besides seasick.

Mobile Infantry, maybe? :v:

Polikarpov
Jun 1, 2013

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B4Ctom1 posted:

They won't loving stop building M1's, preferring to park them in rows in the desert. I agree, give them something useful like an M1 chassis APC to build. Put a Bushy on top of it for good measure.

You could probably build a pretty badass urban warfare turret for the M1 ala the Russian BMPT. Couple autocannons, a RWS with a .50 and Mk19, maybe a few recoil-less rifles on the side of the turret for fun poo poo like canister rounds.

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Jun 1, 2013

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B4Ctom1 posted:

It seems pretty dangerous. If an F18 can see a chinese or russian ship, then it can see the F18. If so the F18 can be shot down pretty handily.

When did it become harder to shoot a ship in it's two dimensions than a plane it it's 3?

My guess is the visibility. A plane is far enough off the deck that it is a sweeter radar visible target than a ship on the surface over the horizon. It just all seems so strange.

Its just a cheap and cheerful way to give the TACTOM an anti-shipping capability using its existing hardware.

Polikarpov
Jun 1, 2013

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holocaust bloopers posted:

A-10's look much better dirty.

I agree, their natural camouflage is soot from burning third world armor.

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Jun 1, 2013

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Totally TWISTED posted:

Everyone who likes sci-fi and tank defense systems needs to read David Drake's Hammers Slammers series of books if they haven't already. He was a tanker in Vietnam before writing the book series.



Hammers Slammers is pretty rad, the tanks all have a terminal defense system that is basically a strip of space claymores laid around the hull- they can be automatically activated by the onboard computer to intercept AT weapons or manually triggered by the tank commander as a close in anti-infantry weapon. :black101:

Polikarpov
Jun 1, 2013

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block51 posted:

I'm at a loss for words...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jSAEhGnRg5Y

I'm really hoping that if there is someone that understands the Russian language on here, that they will watch this and just say "Oh yeah, it is a silly funny thing and not at all serious" but on the other hand... Russia.

That being said, I think the US Navy uses sea lions for finding stuff underwater so maybe they are actually training the seals for something similar.

Aww, look at their little hats! :3: :ussr:

Polikarpov
Jun 1, 2013

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Alaan posted:

Yeah from what I've heard they were maintenance queens by the end of their service life here, let alone with no parts line or outside support. I'd love to see the either horrified or admiring look of engineers that worked on it as they check out how they stand today.

I expect it'd be like that one episode of Black Sheep Squadron where they get inspected and the poor inspector can't decide whether to be horrified or impressed that there's a Japanese carburetor in one of the Corsairs.

raverrn posted:

I'm pretty sure Fishbed is the NATO name.

According to Wiki the Russian pilots nicknamed it the "Balalaika" and the Poles called it the "Pencil".

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Jun 1, 2013

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Makes sense to me, all Comrade-Seaman Shmuckovich has to do is turn around and look at the bulkhead when he's standing lookout. If you don't issue him a fiddly recognition book he can't drop said book overboard.

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Jun 1, 2013

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http://youtubedoubler.com/g6sH

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Jun 1, 2013

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I don't know about you but a vertical zoom-climb on a pillar of chemical fire is exactly how I wanna travel.

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Jun 1, 2013

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Dead Reckoning posted:

A shameful article, written by a bad person. Dude doesn't seem to grasp that ramp space was/is one of the major limiting factors on air operations, or the costs associated with standing up a new combat aircraft, or the importance of all weather capability in a country like Afghanistan.

My favorite comment is the one calling for a railgun A-10 :science:

Polikarpov
Jun 1, 2013

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Smiling Jack posted:

It was the worst loving thing ever

Where's that gif from the wargame thread that had about a dozen dragons drunkenly weaving and missing a truck?

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Jun 1, 2013

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bewbies posted:

I know I know comments on open-source Yahoo articles are always stupid and ridiculous but the comments on that page are particularly hilarious clearly the answer is to unmothball all the battleships and arm them with cruise missiles and railguns

I wonder if they would consider doing that for the Texas, it is just sitting there flooding and rusting

There's still a few hardcore reactivationists out there, though they've become rarer since the USNFSA closed its doors.

Polikarpov
Jun 1, 2013

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monkeytennis posted:

How does that work against wire guided missiles though? Surely the operator just has to keep aiming at the cloud of smoke? (While the barrel of the main gun swings towards him!)

TOW knows where the missile is because it knows where it isn't by optically tracking the flare in the tail of the missile, figuring out a divergence between that and point of aim and then doing math things so it can tell it how to correct its course to intersect Russian armor. If the active IR dazzler component of Shtora can mess up that process then it can be effective against TOW. (It can also screw up the gunner's sight if its in infrared mode)

Polikarpov
Jun 1, 2013

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The US is supposed to be working on a MALD variant that can autonomously search for and attack TELs and mobile radars with a big enough warhead to reasonably damage them.

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Jun 1, 2013

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xthetenth posted:

Especially latewar, there was actually a huge push to get as many director driven 40mm mounts as possible as well because they were the most effective mounts, especially against kamikazes. There was a really big scramble to get them on as many of the pickets off Okinawa and to get escorting destroyers with more modern AA suites as well. The 5" was a very effective gun in its role, but a lot of the value of heavy AA pieces like that was that they could shoot at bombers that weren't already pushed over in a dive, and making preparing for an attack a deeply unpleasant and hurried occasion has a great effect on the ability of enemies to attack effectively.

I remember a great tabulation of a US battleship's AA record and I thought it was the SoDak, but I cant find it for the life of me.

You're thinking of the 3"/50 semiautomatic guns. Each one was radar directed, had proximity shells and could spit 50 rounds per barrel per minute.

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Jun 1, 2013

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Arglebargle III posted:

What sort of surface strike capability do American carrier groups even have these days? I have heard a lot about the superbug having short range, and it seems like we're not buying harpoons anymore? I know there aren't six Japanese carriers running around out there that we need to sink, but are carrier groups only for bombing deserts these days?

LRASM went into limited rate production in February 2014.

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Jun 1, 2013

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Wingnut Ninja posted:

It depends on a whole lot of factors. The best radar in the world isn't going to see something skimming the surface until it's within the radar horizon, which is not all that far for a ship. Having an airborne radar platform helps extend that radar horizon, but that's really beyond the scope of this discussion.

My main point is that LO isn't a binary "can see/can't see" thing, and the reason for putting LO features on a missile isn't to pull off some kind of surprise attack or make it hard to know where the attack came from (if that's what you want, use a sub). Yes, it's reducing the reaction time of the target, but even with a non-LO missile, your reaction is mostly limited to "brace for impact" and trying to shoot down the missile itself. Any kind of counterattack or broader tactical action is going to happen beyond the timeline of the missile's flight. Like Godholio said, what really matters is how far away you can target and engage the ASCM, and that's what the LO is trying to reduce.

Another cool thing about both the LRASM and the Kongsberg NSM is that their terminal seeker isn't a radar that will light up the target's RWR but rather a completely passive infrared seeker with image recognition and aimpoint selection.

LRASM also does some freaky skynet poo poo where it networks with other missiles to find targets and can maneuver to avoid air defense zones or something. It looked very cool in the Lockmart animation, anyway.

Edit: Oh yeah, JSOW-C also has anti shipping capabilities though its more of a fancy glide bomb than an ASM.

Polikarpov
Jun 1, 2013

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HVP is a really neat round - by changing the sabot you can fire it out of a railgun or any of the 5" guns in inventory. The Navy wants to put a datalink into it so it can be actively guided against air targets by an AEGIS combat system. :science:

Polikarpov
Jun 1, 2013

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Reminds me of that episode of Black Sheep Squadron where they get inspected and the guy wants to know why one of the Corsairs has a Japanese carburetor in it.

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Jun 1, 2013

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Hitting the tank farms and fleet oilers at Pearl would have done more damage to the USN's ability to fight than sinking every obsolete battleship in the harbor that day. The Pearl Harbor attack was launched to cripple the US pacific fleet while the Japanese southern operation secured supplies of oil, and they never stopped to think how a shortage of oil storage and transport could equally cripple the USN. This is gay black hirohito territory, but sink Neosho and Coral Sea can't happen for lack of UNREP, don't damage Shokaku and deplete the 5th Carrier Divisions air groups at Coral Sea and the balance of power at Midway starts to look real bad, if it even happens.

Japan still gets buried under a pile of Essexes but it would probably take a while longer.

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Theoretically if you put a 155mm barrel on an M1 it could fire the datalink guided HVP (Hypervelocity Projectile) that the Navy is developing for their railguns. :byoscience:

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Jun 1, 2013

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aphid_licker posted:

Make it a nuclear shaped charge pointed downwards, eject the planetary core straight out the other side

Make sure it hits the moon so you can get a clean sweep.

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Jun 1, 2013

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C.M. Kruger posted:

And presumably also have the radios that can receive Guard frequencies mounted.

Has anybody run across any stuff about designing surface ships to survive nuclear blasts? I'd imagine kinda like a DDG-1000 but more curved.

There's a section on it in Norman Friedman's Modern Warship: Design and Development. They took an old Spruance hull and mounted simulated Arleigh Burke superstructure and systems on it, then towed it a few hundred yards offshore from a massive geodesic dome of C4 that they detonated to simulate an atomic blastwave.

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C.M. Kruger posted:

Because Diego Garcia had a bunch of them stored there on ships.
http://www.navy.mil/navydata/fact_display.asp?cid=4600&tid=200&ct=4
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/ship/sealift-mps.htm
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/agency/navy/mpsron2.htm

IIRC during Desert Storm the Marines only operated one battalion of M1A1s that had been borrowed from the army and crewed with M60 tankers who'd gone through a rapid familiarization course.

Fun fact: the Roy M. Wheat was built in the Ukraine just prior to the breakup of the Soviet Union. MSC bought her and converted her in the 90s. Her engines are an extremely obscure model of Soviet gas-turbine and the US Navy owns all the remaining examples left in the world. I did a breakout on her once and the engineers used to joke that they had to keep a bust of Lenin in the engine control station or nothing would work right.

Polikarpov
Jun 1, 2013

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I've seen warships do some really dumb poo poo at sea - they're notorious for assuming merchant ships will get out of their way or forgetting that they're there. I had a British DDG suddenly cut across my bow once in the Mediterranean - collision in 12 minutes and their excuse when I called them on 16 asking intentions was that they needed to recover a helicopter. Ok, fair enough, but don't cut across a charted safety corridor and get in a constant bearing decreasing range situation with a 500 foot container ship loaded to the gunnels with ammunition and high explosives when you do it.

That's a midsize container ship, rudder shift time is probably 30+ seconds and time to dead in the water from full ahead is going to be 10+ minutes. Tactical diameter for a turn in excess of a half mile. They don't stop on a dime.

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priznat posted:

https://twitter.com/CavasShips/status/875844601344655364

Unsurprisingly the container ship fared much better. That'll buff out!

Wow it looks like the flukes of the port anchor sheared away? My gut is saying that they hit with the container ship in the middle of a turn to the right, since most of the damage is concentrated on the port bow. You can see where the bulwarks are bowed inboard- that's where the superstructure of the Fitzgerald struck them.

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18.5 knots at the time of collision. Multiply by 40k tons of dead-weight and you get an idea of the kind of forces involved, even with a glancing blow. It was a glancing blow because if the Crystal had hit the Fitzgerald head on it would have either cut the DDG in half or be wearing it as a hat.

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Jun 1, 2013

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Its pretty clear that the Izumo has been designed to augment US CVBGs. A dedicated platform that you can push all your rotary-wing operations too and coordinate ASW and SAR ops from is pretty useful and lets the CVN focus on fixed wing stuff. Same way the USN used light carriers in WW2, let them deal with keeping your CAP and ASW patrol up so the big decks can focus on putting together strike packages.

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I've read at least one overview of Red Army tactics that mentions the use of tactical nuclear weapons to support attacks as small as a single Motor Rifle Battalion so I think they'd be flying fast and heavy.

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Its really more of a report on the collision damage and post-collision DC effort, but still interesting reading.

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mlmp08 posted:

Please keep your anime airplanes to an acceptable level of anime




Time for Area 88, the greatest airpower anime










And here's some Walt Disney as a palate cleanser


Polikarpov
Jun 1, 2013

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I just re-read Red Army for the 342nd time and cry myself to sleep.

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Jun 1, 2013

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Mr Luxury Yacht posted:

The whole "jam optics" part of Shtora is like, the optics of what's lasing it right? Not the seeker of the munition.

Against an LGB that just seems wacky. Having the turret and gun suddenly swivel up to the sky so the tank can show the gunner the 2000 lb bomb that will obliterate it in 20 seconds :downs:


Come to think of it, would Shtora trigger off the rangefinder in a NATO tank? Automatic slewing to threat vector would be pretty useful in that case, and the dazzlers are probably pretty :catdrugs: through thermal sights at night.

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