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Tufty posted:This is a fantastic thread with a great OP. I own all 3 consoles (  angry_keebler posted:PCSX2 + Dolphin A couple months ago I was thinking about making a Dolphin sister thread, but I had this off-putting feeling towards making a thread about how easily you could emulate a current gen console. If someone else wants to step up and do it then by all means. 
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The Serious Sam HD games would be a good addition to the FPS recommendations. They're a good throwback to large waves of enemies and fast-paced action that you don't really see in current FPS games. Plus they've got updated visuals for the new engine.
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Gyoru posted:This is me, but I also have both of the current handhelds. Same here, I just didn't want to mention it :X I haven't bought an Xbox, DS, or PSP game in a year or two but I know I'll have to own all of the next generation too even though I'm a PC gamer at heart. I also want to add that a genre of game available on PC (I guess there's a couple on the DS too) are Roguelikes and there's an incredible goon-developed post-apocalyptic one in beta which you can get in this thread right here.
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That gamecube and Wii emulator sounds really cool but I don't have a SD card reader for my PC or a large enough SD card or a supported DVD drive. Also isn't this still considered  even if you own a Wii and a legit copy of the game?
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spasticColon posted:How many of you still gaming on a Core 2 Duo and DX10 video card? I'm still kickin' with an E8400 and GTX260 216 and I can still run most games on high or max settings at 1920x1080. I've been using an E8200 overlocked a bit with an ATI HD4850 for a couple years now. I'm really holding back on upgrading since it looks like I'll have to replace the drat motherboard to get a better CPU.
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Megafunk posted:Can any of you vouch for the Nostromo/Belkin n52te or whatever you call it? I had the previous version of that (or something, it wasn't Razer but it was a Nostromo like that, very similar). I bought it back when I raided in WoW, hoping it would give me easier access to the X amount of keys I needed and it did. I remember loving that thing, although I did have to figure out a scheme that would use the pad to its full extent, but once I did that I couldn't stop using it. I don't know how nice it would be for other games that don't have as many keybinds because that was my main functionality for it (tons of possible keybinds in a very accessible area). The ergonomics are pretty good and feel natural almost immediately. One downside is if you type to chat it can get kind of annoying as you would have to switch between the pad and the keyboard, but seeing as how most people use voice programs when playing games I don't think this is that big of a con. This is all based off of the old version, but I doubt they changed much that would change my opinions on it. On another note, for Christmas I'm going to be getting this: http://www.google.com/url?source=im...BNpUpejXEVYjbFQ Cannot wait. Somebody fucked around with this message at 20:26 on Dec 30, 2010 |
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Duck Feet posted:I had the previous version of that (or something, it wasn't Razer but it was a Nostromo like that, very similar). I bought it back when I raided in WoW, hoping it would give me easier access to the X amount of keys I needed and it did. I remember loving that thing, although I did have to figure out a scheme that would use the pad to its full extent, but once I did that I couldn't stop using it. I don't know how nice it would be for other games that don't have as many keybinds because that was my main functionality for it (tons of possible keybinds in a very accessible area). The ergonomics are pretty good and feel natural almost immediately.
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Node posted:That thing is so loving nerdy, goony, and pretentious its making me vomit on my lettered keyboard. Those keyboards are literally $100+.
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Magnificent Quiver posted:Those keyboards are literally $100+. And thus why I would never buy one, but am glad to receive it for Christmas!
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nickhimself posted:poo poo looks like it's worth 10 dollars, man. microsoft ergonomic keyboard for life gently caress ergonomic keyboards. Dell QuietKey is what the smart people use. And to everyone complaining about gaming on a Core2duo: I was on an Athlon x2 until a few months ago. That poo poo is bad. My new i5 is so much better.
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bbcisdabomb posted:gently caress ergonomic keyboards. Dell QuietKey is what the smart people use. An I5, a SSD, and a 6870 are everything a growing boy needs. Just a hair over $1000 and you can build a computer that is SO GOOD you'll be more smug than Duck Feet thought he was when he posted that gimmick keyboard. You can spend much, MUCH less and still smash any game out today (sans Metro 2033) without a blink. Plus, after you are done doing that type up a scathing message here on SA, jerk off to some porn and pay your electric bill all without getting up! Truly, the PC is the greatest of all of man's creature comforts.
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I think anyone considering a $1000 dollar PC purchase should see if $1200 is possible. $1200 can get you into a Core i7, X58, and 300 bucks for a video card (6950). I worked in the cost of an operating system as well. After 1200 dollars is sort of the land of diminishing returns, the only thing left being a nice SSD setup. If you aren't interested in an i7, might as well go AMD and save a bundle. I could go on about theoretical PC builds all day. Oh, regarding power supply purchases. I double check everything I buy at https://www.jonnyguru.com. Best PSU review site bar none. But as a general rule Antec, Corsair, and Enermax for me. I've had great PSU's from Silverstone as well, but they have some decent units, and some not so decent. Don't buy OCZ power supplies unless you are loving broke rear end.
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Methos posted:I think anyone considering a $1000 dollar PC purchase should see if $1200 is possible. $1200 can get you into a Core i7, This 100% is pointless for a gaming computer. A Quad-core is all you need, an i7 is just an i5 with hyper-threading, which happens to be useless*. Heck, some people even will say that an i5 is over-kill. It would make much more sense from a usability point of view to shelve the i7 in favor of an i5 right now, and put that money you would spend into an SSD. SSDs provide performance you can actually feel. Seriously, the build thread in SHSC answers all of these questions. *For games EDIT And you are recommending an Intel motherboard? They are great boards, sure, but AFAIK you don't get jack poo poo for overclocking, one of the other joys of desktop computing. KakerMix fucked around with this message at 07:47 on Dec 19, 2010 |
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Magnificent Quiver posted:I've been using an E8200 overlocked a bit with an ATI HD4850 for a couple years now. I'm really holding back on upgrading since it looks like I'll have to replace the drat motherboard to get a better CPU. That's another draw for PC Gaming these days. More games are starting to take advantage of triple and quad-core chips, but the clock-for-clock performance is kinda stagnating in favor of spreading out the workload over multiple CPU cores. As for graphics cards, it looks like Tessellation is the next big thing but I don't see widespread use of it in PC games yet. I don't know if this has been brought up but another draw of PC Gaming is horrible DRM. GFWL(Games for Windows Live) is an example of this. GFWL thought my steam copy of Fallout 3 was illegal and wanted my key and it wouldn't come off my game saves unless I gave it the loving key. And after I got that sorted out Fallout 3 now glitches graphically and crashes even after re-downloading and reinstalling the game and video card drivers. The game ran just fine before GFWL nagged me about the key. GFWL needs to fall in a well and die in a loving fire with all the other draconian forms of DRM. 
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Methos posted:I think anyone considering a $1000 dollar PC purchase should see if $1200 is possible. $1200 can get you into a Core i7, X58, and 300 bucks for a video card (6950). I worked in the cost of an operating system as well. After 1200 dollars is sort of the land of diminishing returns, the only thing left being a nice SSD setup. If you aren't interested in an i7, might as well go AMD and save a bundle. I could go on about theoretical PC builds all day. Theres still this idea that a gaming computer has to be a big hulking machine which absolutely isnt true. Hell, there isnt a game out there today that I cant play on my four year old core 2 duo setup. The only upgrade Ive made was an 8800gtx that i got 2 years ago. Sure its getting up there, but its lasted forever and was a better investment than a console. When I get a new one I doubt Ill go past an i3.
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Have you tried playing Call of Duty: Black Ops on that old machine? Many people in the PC thread can't even get it to run reliably with better setups. This is the only game, as far as I know in recent time that can't run on most peoples computers but it has nothing to do with it being so good that nothing can support it. It's due to lovely optimization and a lack of support for the PC gaming community from Treyarch.
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KakerMix posted:An I5, a SSD, and a 6870 are everything a growing boy needs. Just a hair over $1000 and you can build a computer that is SO GOOD you'll be more smug than Duck Feet thought he was when he posted that gimmick keyboard. I do need a better video card. I've always used Nvidia, is there a real reason to use ATI over Nvidia?
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KakerMix posted:This 100% is pointless for a gaming computer. A Quad-core is all you need, an i7 is just an i5 with hyper-threading, which happens to be useless*. Heck, some people even will say that an i5 is over-kill. It would make much more sense from a usability point of view to shelve the i7 in favor of an i5 right now, and put that money you would spend into an SSD. SSDs provide performance you can actually feel. I think your right, it isn't neccessary, but it is not pointless. The i7 is faster, even when hyper threading isn't considered. Then there is the x58 chipset, which is also faster than the p55 chipset, especially in dual video card configs (p55 can only do x8/x8). Also triple channel memory vs dual. But if the question was save a 100-150 bucks and get an i5 and SSD, then you would have to ponder a bit. But I have an SSD, and it hasn't really affected my gaming, but only because 120gig isn't enough for my steam install, so its on normal drives anyhow. Windows boots fast though. I dunno. You can always add the SSD, but P55 puts you in a corner, upgrade wise. And 40gig is hardly enough for win7, let alone games. 150 bucks isn't a very big SSD budget. I'd like to mention I actually own/have used all these different components, so I speak from some experience. Oh, when I said X58 I meant any motherboard with an X58 chipset, which is on every S1366 motherboard, from every manufacturer. Sorry if I wasn't clear, I wasn't recommending an Intel board. And I'll check that thread out, thanks. Meme Emulator posted:Theres still this idea that a gaming computer has to be a big hulking machine which absolutely isnt true. Hell, there isnt a game out there today that I cant play on my four year old core 2 duo setup. The only upgrade Ive made was an 8800gtx that i got 2 years ago. You and I have different expectations when gaming. 8800GTX was a beast of a card though, 3 years ago. Methos fucked around with this message at 08:48 on Dec 19, 2010 |
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Meme Emulator posted:Theres still this idea that a gaming computer has to be a big hulking machine which absolutely isnt true. Hell, there isnt a game out there today that I cant play on my four year old core 2 duo setup. The only upgrade Ive made was an 8800gtx that i got 2 years ago. The exception to this is emulating modern machines such as when using PCSX2 and Dolphin mentioned earlier. The more performance the better when it comes to them. SCheeseman fucked around with this message at 09:05 on Dec 19, 2010 |
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bbcisdabomb posted:I do need a better video card. I've always used Nvidia, is there a real reason to use ATI over Nvidia? At this point, not really, no. If you have an oddball game that doesn't like one or the other it might be an issue, but they're both good buys.
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bbcisdabomb posted:I do need a better video card. I've always used Nvidia, is there a real reason to use ATI over Nvidia? No. Go with what runs the best at the best prices. Right now Intel is best for CPUs, ATI and Nvidia have different parts of the market covered for graphics cards. Methos posted:I think your right, it isn't neccessary, but it is not pointless. The i7 is faster, even when hyper threading isn't considered. Then there is the x58 chipset, which is also faster than the p55 chipset, especially in dual video card configs (p55 can only do x8/x8). Also triple channel memory vs dual. But if the question was save a 100-150 bucks and get an i5 and SSD, then you would have to ponder a bit. But I have an SSD, and it hasn't really affected my gaming, but only because 120gig isn't enough for my steam install, so its on normal drives anyhow. Windows boots fast though. I dunno. You can always add the SSD, but P55 puts you in a corner, upgrade wise. And 40gig is hardly enough for win7, let alone games. 150 bucks isn't a very big SSD budget. I don't mean to jump down your throat or anything. The reason I (and a lot of other people) say i7's are pointless is because a lot of the big-name games are cross-platform, meaning they are on Xboxes and PS3's as well as PCs. Because of this, CPU performance required from games right now is kind of at a standstill. While an i7 may be faster, it won't affect performance of any games simply because the i5 on its own is more than enough, without the incredible price premium of both the i7 chip itself and the motherboard to run it. Dual Channel and Triple Channel makes no difference, again, in actual usable performance. The numbers may be higher but you won't notice the difference between playing, say, the latest Call of Duty on an i5 system with 4 GBs of dual-channel memory or playing it in an i7 machine with 6 GBs of triple channel ram as long as you have the same graphics card on both machines. As far as dual-graphics cards (aka SLI or Crossfire) is almost always ridiculous overkill, unless you've got a massive, massive monitor to give you the need to have that much pixel-pushing power and you need to run Metro 2033 at max everything. Basically, the parts you are talking about are 'faster' but not in a sense you will actually notice outside a benchmark. $1000, right now, should be the upper limit someone needs to spend to get a computer that is amazing. Any amount over that and you are getting in some serious diminishing returns territory. If you can't 'feel' how much snappier your computer is with your SSD then I don't know what to tell you. 20 second boot times are nice, sure, but Windows updates installing in seconds rather than minutes? Context menus flashing up instantly? No lag time when flying through your operating system? Seriously, this SSD is the single best upgrade I've had that I've really felt. Games on it are nice too, but I never have my entire Steam catalog installed at once, and I came from a 150 GB raptor drive so I am used to the smaller spaces.
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On the topic of keyboards, has anyone heard anything about the Razer Anansi? I'm dying to buy one but Razer hasn't released any info other than "available in December". I really need to replace this lovely Saitek.
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Kilometers Davis posted:On the topic of keyboards, has anyone heard anything about the Razer Anansi? I'm dying to buy one but Razer hasn't released any info other than "available in December". I really need to replace this lovely Saitek. I don't know about the Anansi, but I do know that my Lycosa likes to open up Windows Media Player repeatedly and flash lights at me like it's trying desperately to communicate. Razer said these problems affect only a "very, very, small, tiny, miniscule portion" of the keyboards but my serial number's not one of the ones they listed. After dealing with this keyboard and the multitude of problems on my Lachesis mouse, I'd say just replace your Saitek with a Logitech. Edit: Also, the mic on my Razer headset broke and just kind of flops down by my neck. Why did I buy this company's lovely stuff.
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Just wanted to give my support and say this is an awesome idea for a thread and should be kept up with. PC 4 lyfe.
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Duck Feet posted:I tried to Google it but I can't figure it out, what the gently caress is the point of a blank key-keyboard? I checked a review and some guy was talking about his old spray painted board being replaced with that one. I get some people like the clicky keys but I can't see a point to blank ones unless your training yourself to type without looking. Who would spend 100+ for that?
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Recommendation to the op: Do NOT buy a "Gaming laptop" This is covered under the umbrella of "Don't buy prebuilts" but I think it requires special mention because people are easily swindled by them. 1. Gaming laptops are expensive. Seriously expensive. Because building one yourself is basically out of the question you're at the mercy of Dell, Alienware, etc. to make it for you and they will absolutely gouge you. You'll spend twice as much on a laptop of the same power as a desktop, possibly more. 2. They are not any more convenient than a desktop. Because you're compressing all those parts into little space they heat up extremely quickly. In the short term this means you can only play games for brief periods of time compared to desktops, in the long term it can actually damage the parts. You also have to remain plugged in at all times because the battery life is going to be absolute poo poo when you play games so the portability goes out the window. 3. Lack of support. Most of the time, portable versions of hardware (Graphics cards, processor, et al)are the same as their desktop counterparts. There are times this doesn't apply though and it can seriously suck in those cases. Best example is that drivers for desktop graphics cards do not work on the laptop versions without some jury rigging. This means if a driver comes out for the desktop version of your graphics card that fixes some game issues you're poo poo out of luck till its made available for your laptop version. Seriously I repeat, do not buy gaming laptops there is almost no good reason for it. Even if you're a student who needs a laptop for school. Get a kick rear end desktop and a cheap notebook, you'll spend less for 2 items than you will for 1. This is from personal experience.
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RagnarokAngel posted:Recommendation to the op: It's interesting you bring this up because I'm in the process of giving my desktop to my mom and buying a laptop as my main PC in mid-2011. To counter your points, I'm looking at this laptop, which has almost the same specs as a tricked out +$2000 Alienware laptop, save for the screen and the 5400rpm hard disk. It's just about as much as you would pay for a high-end desktop with 8GB of DDR3 RAM. I priced out the parts I'd want for a new desktop at NewEgg and the total prices were almost exact minus a new desktop monitor. ASUS is also a great brand (they're the ONLY motherboards I've put in my desktop PCs for the last 12+ years and they've all been rock solid), and laptops generally come with a Windows license, which saves you about a hundred bucks. I agree with you with the parts in a more confined space heating up quickly, but portability is still there. Since building a new desktop and getting that laptop would be about the same price, I'd like the added bonus of walking around my house while surfing the web or reading an article on the couch while watching TV, and besides, if I were up for a round of Crysis, I'd want to stay in one space at home anyway. Not to mention a laptop takes up a LOT less space. Going to a slightly smaller screen is a drag, but I figured for some games, I can hook an HDMI cable to my TV for a better screen (especially for emulators and such). I didn't know about there being separate drivers for desktop hardware and laptop hardware. You gave an example of video card drivers...is it more prominent in Nvidia or ATI cards, or both? I'm not trying to be snobby or anything. I've actually been going back and forth between a desktop and laptop, and since I'm enjoying the portability and features of my girlfriend's Toshiba here, I'm leaning towards one of my own, but with an exceptional dedicated graphics card.
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Charles Martel posted:I didn't know about there being separate drivers for desktop hardware and laptop hardware. You gave an example of video card drivers...is it more prominent in Nvidia or ATI cards, or both? ATI, admittedly. http://www.hardwareheaven.com/modtool.php This is a solution but I never got it working right, it does mean another pointless step though.
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SwissCM posted:The exception to this is emulating modern machines such as when using PCSX2 and Dolphin mentioned earlier. The more performance the better when it comes to them. Both those emulators only ever use two cores max, so saying that "the more performance the better" isn't necessarily true.
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nickhimself posted:Have you tried playing Call of Duty: Black Ops on that old machine? Many people in the PC thread can't even get it to run reliably with better setups. This is the only game, as far as I know in recent time that can't run on most peoples computers but it has nothing to do with it being so good that nothing can support it. It's due to lovely optimization and a lack of support for the PC gaming community from Treyarch. I am able to run Black Ops on an AMD Athlon 5400 X2 / BFG 8800GT 512MB setup with no problems. The game runs at a solid frame rate, and I never had any graphical hickups that I can recall. Maybe the game shits its pants over certain setups. v  v
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kiph posted:Both those emulators only ever use two cores max, so saying that "the more performance the better" isn't necessarily true. Actually it's completely true. By performance I meant by the speed of the actual architecture, not how many cores they crammed into it.
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Magnificent Quiver posted:I don't know about the Anansi, but I do know that my Lycosa likes to open up Windows Media Player repeatedly and flash lights at me like it's trying desperately to communicate. I've always found Razer products to be consistent but thanks for the heads up. I wish any of the Logitechs appealed to me. I find them all fairly ugly.
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RagnarokAngel posted:Recommendation to the op: I'm not going to argue with you because you are right, but I've been using this Acer laptop I bought for 500 ($775: would probably cost less for the same build in the states) for the past year to play a whole mess of games and it can run most stuff decently. It's not impossible to use laptops to play recent games, just kind of a pain sometimes. I would eventually like to build a desktop just so I can run stuff at high-res at a decent framerate, but in the meantime I am not desperate. Actually I think I just proved your point, no need to spend that much cash on a laptop. Also you guys are aware that you can buy label stickers for keyboards right? Not that buying a blank keyboard for $100 isn't retarded (nor, I suspect, is that guy going to use them anyway). I bought some glow-in-the-dark ones just recently.
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For the record I own a gaming laptop and a rather pricey one, and I dont regret it but I feel I'm one of the few cases where it works out. I'm going overseas pretty soon and wont be back in the states for a few years, but wanted to play some games with good replay value to keep me occupied. So a desktop wasn't in the cards. When I come back I'm buying one though, straight up.
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