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The upgrades are basically to make 4k/VR marginally possible. In reality there will still be no actual 4k internal resolution games since even the upgraded versions aren't remotely close to strong enough to meet the requirement of at least equal framerates at that resolution. It's going to have approximately zero effect on PCs, which already have a large 1440p market and get increased detail on ports anyway. You'll still be able to play any console port of this generation at 1080p with an oc'd 2500k and a 970 (which are going to be all over the used market for sub-150 after the new cards comes out), and a 980Ti will probably carry you through the entire generation at 1440.
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Shooting Blanks posted:It's about to get a bit more difficult - both Sony and MS are planning on releasing upgraded versions of their current consoles to push developers to release higher quality versions of games. May spur a lot of PC gamers to upgrade alongside. Sony have made it part of the deal that the 'neo' or whatever the end up calling it will have no exclusives or extra features so I doubt it will effect things much. I imagine Microsoft will have a similar policy. And at least in regards to the NEO, the CPU is only being overclocked, not upgraded, so at worst its just going to be GPU upgrade. Its an interesting direction for the consoles to take and I wonder if it will pan out in the long run and if it does what effect it will have on the PC scene.
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Shooting Blanks posted:It's about to get a bit more difficult - both Sony and MS are planning on releasing upgraded versions of their current consoles to push developers to release higher quality versions of games. May spur a lot of PC gamers to upgrade alongside. Ah poo poo, we're gonna see the return of N64 Expansion Paks.
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Gobblecoque posted:Ah poo poo, we're gonna see the return of N64 Expansion Paks. Except you have to spend hundreds on an entirely new console instead of a small pak. I don't know what Sony and MS are thinking. They should have just not done midlife upgrades at all and used the manpower and resources to work on PS5/Xwhateverthefuckmswantstocalltheirboxthistime.
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I started to imagine a console design where you can remove parts easily and replace them with better parts at your leisure instead of buying a completely separate console every few years, but then I realized that was just a PC.
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Zedsdeadbaby posted:Except you have to spend hundreds on an entirely new console instead of a small pak. I don't know what Sony and MS are thinking. They should have just not done midlife upgrades at all and used the manpower and resources to work on PS5/Xwhateverthefuckmswantstocalltheirboxthistime. Doing this lets them get more money out of hardcore idiots (twice, in the case of people who also spend another boatload on a gimmicky VR headset that will get a grand total of 20 hours of use) while dropping the base SKU price to pick up more sales. It's way smarter than trying to do another console generation when this one still hasn't had a single truly good game come out yet. The reality is as weak as these consoles are, hardware is not the problem with them (aside from the lack of SSDs). There just haven't been any really great games yet, it's been a pretty lovely few years.
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May 1, 2016 23:00
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The only reason I want a PS4 is for Tekken 7, Guilty Gear and King of Fighters.
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Tekken games, also general console exclusives. I wonder how much weight there is in rumours of Red Dead Redemption 2 coming for PC.
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kalstrams posted:Tekken games, also general console exclusives. I hope it comes to PC because I ignored RDR on the 360 for years and then microsoft put it as free game on their games with gold program some time ago. I have to say that I completely missed a drat nice game until that.
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Mega Comrade posted:Sony have made it part of the deal that the 'neo' or whatever the end up calling it will have no exclusives or extra features so I doubt it will effect things much. I imagine Microsoft will have a similar policy. They're only saying that so people won't freak out about their PS4s. If this new version gets traction and has a big enough install base they'll put out exclusives for it eventually.
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It's silly not to expect a PC version of RDR2. Every other Rockstar game is on there. If the internet is to be believed, the lack of a RDR pc version is just because it never occurred to them to make one for some reason? drat shame.
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SolidSnakesBandana posted:If the internet is to be believed, the lack of a RDR pc version is just because it never occurred to them to make one for some reason?
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I wonder if that means it'll be difficult to emulate, it's probably going to be the only way to play it on PC for quite some time.
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Star War Sex Parrot posted:Based on what I've read, it's because the code base was held together by duct tape and baling wire and barely shipped in a functional form for 360 and PS3 as is. The branch of RAGE it used was so modified that you can't simply drop the assets into the GTA V branch of RAGE and voila you have a PS4/Xbone/PC version. It's probably not technically impossible, but R* has certainly crunched the numbers and deemed it not financially viable to this point. Yeah, this is what I've heard as well - it would take too much time and money to release it on PC, far more than they could ever hope to make back.
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notZaar posted:They're only saying that so people won't freak out about their PS4s. If this new version gets traction and has a big enough install base they'll put out exclusives for it eventually. Sony haven't even announced it yet. The 'no exclusives' line comes from the documentation that comes with the development kit. Yeah it could change but it's the T&C for developing for it atm. Mega Comrade fucked around with this message at 14:38 on May 2, 2016 |
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Star War Sex Parrot posted:Based on what I've read, it's because the code base was held together by duct tape and baling wire and barely shipped in a functional form for 360 and PS3 as is. The branch of RAGE it used was so modified that you can't simply drop the assets into the GTA V branch of RAGE and voila you have a PS4/Xbone/PC version. It's probably not technically impossible, but R* has certainly crunched the numbers and deemed it not financially viable to this point. Some of the stuff from the Leslie Benzies lawsuit has really confirmed that RDR development was an absolutely disastrous clusterfuck and it's amazing the game ever came out and worked. To quote Sam Houser "PLEASE help me/us get [Read Dead Redemption] into shape. I am a jabbering wreck right now. I need The Benz!" Pretty interesting and more or less confirms the rumors about why it's the only major Rockstar game to never get a PC port. I still wish they would port LCS/VCS to PC though. I'd pay $40 for a two pack, they're loving great games. notZaar posted:They're only saying that so people won't freak out about their PS4s. If this new version gets traction and has a big enough install base they'll put out exclusives for it eventually. It's just a more powerful version of the same hardware, there's no reason to do exclusives. Games can always be pared down a bit for the original version. K8.0 fucked around with this message at 20:34 on May 2, 2016 |
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flatluigi posted:Can someone walk me through setting up GeDoSaTo and what are particular good use-cases for it? I know it can do a lot of poo poo for a bunch of different games but I don't even know where to start, honestly. Setting it up for Asssassin's Creed II would be nice, if you need a particular example to look at. I didn't get any response to this, any help?
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For any of y'all looking to maybe make a small form factor build, there's a new case in town that looks better than the Ncase M1, IMO. https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/33753221/dan-cases-a4-sfx-the-worlds-smallest-gaming-tower
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That's not a new case, that's a Kickstarter campaign. And the case costs 230 euro dollars holy poo poo.
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Mung Dynasty posted:For any of y'all looking to maybe make a small form factor build, there's a new case in town that looks better than the Ncase M1, IMO. Not much smaller than this and this is not a scam. https://youtu.be/MjDJNwAANwA
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flatluigi posted:I didn't get any response to this, any help? I got it running about a month ago for a few games, so if you still don't have it working, here goes: For first time setup, click on "Edit Settings", then make sure you have the following lines correctly set in the text file that pops up: renderResolution AAAAxBBBB@XX (widthxheight@hz of what you're downsampling from) presentWidth CCCC presentHeight DDDD presentHz QQ (native width, height and refresh rate of your actual monitor) There's a few other options you can mess with there like how to do the scaling, it's pretty well-explained. Then click on Whitelist and add the games you want to use it with, you want the name of the game .exe without the ".exe" part, there's a lot of games already in there so it's easy to figure out the format. Once you're all set up, just make sure it's running when you start the game and your new resolution should be available in the game's own display options. The absolute best use case is simply setting both the width and height of the render resolution to twice those of your native resolution, but if you have a 1080p monitor like most people that'll be 4K so it'll only work if you have a high end card and want to play older games in ridiculously smooth-o-vision. Otherwise I believe setting it to something like 1.5x each and maybe using one of the fancier scaling options should provide a good experience. Also if you have an Nvidia card probably just use DSR instead.
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Mung Dynasty posted:For any of y'all looking to maybe make a small form factor build, there's a new case in town that looks better than the Ncase M1, IMO. Am I the only one who thinks that tiny form factor = bad for performance/gaming? Maybe not as bad as it used to be but you're still gonna be putting out a bunch of heat, and the higher end components tend to be larger anyway. I wouldn't personally even go below a standard ATX size case, let alone anything smaller.
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AirRaid posted:Am I the only one who thinks that tiny form factor = bad for performance/gaming? Maybe not as bad as it used to be but you're still gonna be putting out a bunch of heat, and the higher end components tend to be larger anyway. I wouldn't personally even go below a standard ATX size case, let alone anything smaller.
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If you're doing air cooling then yeah, it's worse. You're making the case more cramped and your air flow will be restricted. And you have less room for bigger fans. If it's liquid cooling then it doesn't really matter as long as everything fits.
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I spent some time yesterday reading about the GTX 1070 and drat.
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AirRaid posted:Am I the only one who thinks that tiny form factor = bad for performance/gaming? Maybe not as bad as it used to be but you're still gonna be putting out a bunch of heat, and the higher end components tend to be larger anyway. I wouldn't personally even go below a standard ATX size case, let alone anything smaller. I have a Corsair 250D [although mine is a MicroATX/Mini-ITX I guess it's just Mini now?]. It's designed so that the mobo sits horizontally on a tray, putting the videocard vertical right in front of a big filtered vent on the side. So, not only does it fit big rear end cards, their fans are blowing mostly directly out of the case.
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kalstrams posted:I spent some time yesterday reading about the GTX 1070 and drat. makes me wish I hadn't sprung for a 980ti last fall 
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AirRaid posted:Am I the only one who thinks that tiny form factor = bad for performance/gaming? Maybe not as bad as it used to be but you're still gonna be putting out a bunch of heat, and the higher end components tend to be larger anyway. I wouldn't personally even go below a standard ATX size case, let alone anything smaller. Watch the video I just posted that shows a shoebox size build with an 18 core processor and a Titan X.
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Ciaphas posted:makes me wish I hadn't sprung for a 980ti last fall You would have missed out on 8 or so months of having a 980ti though, which you can still sell and put that money towards a newer GPU. 
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Looking forward to the 1070 hitting the $300 sweet spot in a few months. It's been a while since I upgraded.
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notZaar posted:Looking forward to the 1070 hitting the $300 sweet spot in a few months. It's been a while since I upgraded. This. Whoever hits 980ti performance for $300 will probably get my monies. Should be roughly twice as fast give or take.
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Assuming the 480x or whatever performs as expected I might as well get a 970 once they hit 150.
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I still don't understand why the 980ti is as expensive as the 1070. Why would I buy last gen when current gen does the same poo poo better?
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fMiMz1uGCXIAirRaid posted:Am I the only one who thinks that tiny form factor = bad for performance/gaming? Maybe not as bad as it used to be but you're still gonna be putting out a bunch of heat, and the higher end components tend to be larger anyway. I wouldn't personally even go below a standard ATX size case, let alone anything smaller.   
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Cardboard Box A posted:If the video card and CPU cooler are right up against a big ol' vent, it's almost as good as an open air test bench. You don't have to worry about airflow if the air is right there. I think the point he's making is that a lot of m-ITX cases won't fit a full sized card. So until nVidia starts making cards like the Nano, which itself is pretty good but not top of the line, you're limited in your choices. Not to mention you're definitely not gonna be using Crossfire or SLI, which are pretty much required for modern 4K gaming.
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Mini ITX cases that fit full size cards has been a trend for a good while now. To pretend that mini-itx regularly necessitates a compromise in video card size is to live in 2010 all over again. Heck, even the Bitfenix Prodigy is 4 years old now.
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Case in point: Full size ATX case, MSI GTX 1070 8G Armor. Had me worried for a second. It's a Coolermaster Centurion case.
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Monday_ posted:I think the point he's making is that a lot of m-ITX cases won't fit a full sized card.
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objects in mirror posted:You would have missed out on 8 or so months of having a 980ti though, which you can still sell and put that money towards a newer GPU. Suppose that's true. Overclocking aside, is anything a significant enough upgrade yet from the i5 4570 I currently have to warrant a new mobo/CPU (and RAM?)? I have a Vive now, and while most games run OK with my setup at good detail, more and more are starting to feel the crunch. Especially e.g. Witcher 3 at 2560x1440, it's a good thing that game can't go to 144hz at all or it'd be even worse!
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