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Nov 2, 2005

landgrabber posted:

i'm kinda just wondering how i should listen to opera to begin with.

Opera is as visual a medium as it is musical. Find a video recording of whatever seems interesting, read a concise plot synopsis first, pour a glass of wine, and enjoy the show.

Tosca is a great one to start with. Walküre is more of an undertaking if you don't like Wagner already. I like to recommend Tannhäuser, which is a bit shorter than Walküre, and has more bangers.

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Nov 2, 2005

if you've read a synopsis and the singers are good, translations are unnecessary. Wine is good for watching a facsimile at home, but really the medium is Live Theater. I don't know anyone who watches archival recordings of plays in their free time

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and yet Beethoven still never nailed the genre of opera.

Dido and Aeneas is fantastic and easy to impulse watch since the run time is like 70 minutes

pro tip for quickly browsing operas on YouTube: search composer + title and filter by Duration: Over 20 Minutes. saves you from having to sift through arias/gala concerts/trailers/etc

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Nov 2, 2005


Spotify has a decent sampler playlist for contemporary Chinese classical: https://open.spotify.com/playlist/37i9dQZF1DX5AviTMPF0km?si=4cd78ecdde7e4262


to me Corigliano's most popular works are often in the vein of post-neo-romanticism, taking the torch from Barber, Menotti, et al. do you like any of these?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X_0fWAG9ONM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BDRN8q_o6-k

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XBNCfdBjSso

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nETUYFwdnRQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2vv-aokV6kA

but also a lot of the fun with contemporary classical music is in the hunt. see who jumps out at you on this playlist of more recent works:

https://open.spotify.com/playlist/3zuIRXDOweCUVsabgo8nOW?si=0e6340d8f7f14f9a

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First, I just wanna say that I really appreciate and admire the way you write about the experience of listening to music. Always a pleasure. Keep the posts coming.

it was always explained to me that it took forever for composers to feel free to compose fully outside of Formal conventions. A piano concerto has 3 movements, and the last one has to be a banger- those are the rules. In the Concerto genre, it offers great pianist the opportunity to flex and demonstrate the greatest range of emotion and expression as possible, in addition to their technical prowess.

In the Late Romantic period we got much more programmatic orchestral music like Tone Poems, Rhapsodies, orchestral Serenades, etc where composers got to spread their creative wings more, before Modernism and eventually the Avant-Garde opened the doors to everything and anything.

Looking at listeners of Beethoven today, many are clearly opting to listen only to the second movement:







Seriously, try to find a recording where the second movement doesn't have the most plays.

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Nov 2, 2005

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Feels Villeneuve posted:

maaaaaaybe Weber.

~spooky~

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HysUA8wx7UM

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Nov 2, 2005

interesting on spotify that the most popular Weber tracks are from a violin sonata. I'm assuming it's because they're in some popular classical playlist.

I agree that music history missed out big time from Weber's early death.

also John Cage may count as a composer who's far more influential than his representation the Repertoire would suggest

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Nov 2, 2005

I think with modern / contemporary works it's easier to identify specific works as standard rep, rather than the necessarily composer themselves. Short Ride in a Fast Machine, Adagio for Strings, Graceful Ghost, come to mind first as extremely well represented in concerts and on the radio

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Nov 2, 2005

contemporary composers can be so gimmicky with their scoring, yeah. pain in the rear end if you ask me (even though some of it is really good)

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ferroque posted:

doing an arvo part piece in orchestra next month, any suggestions so i can "get" this guy?

skim this article on Tintinnabuli and check out "Cantus in Memoriam Benjamin Britten" and his "Magnificat"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b4NY3iXMBTc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KImKBJ1jQfU

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Mr. Mambold posted:

I love it! Those guys demo'ing love it!! Thank you for this.

if you want a lot more content like this, check out the Early Music Sources Channel

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Nov 2, 2005

I played Příhody lišky Bystroušky a couple seasons ago and recently did a run of Rosenkav. both were absolute highlights

What took Rosenkavalier from quite good to Masterwork for me was getting better acquainted with Hofmannsthal's libretto and realizing how deeply ironic much of the opera is, in a very funny, very mean way. It's such a staple of the Grand Opera canon that I find it often loses it's teeth to opulent productions. As with all of his recordings, Carlos Kleiber's stands out as one of the best in my opinion.

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Nov 2, 2005

Feels Villeneuve posted:

I don't think he was ever hated, more like, not fashionable to like ever. Especially with Wagner people.

not sure I have the same impression, among opera fans at least

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that makes sense. as a performer who generally doesn't get to choose my own repertoire, I've long ago distanced myself from most music criticism and aesthetic discourse. I kind of forgot how toxic different camps can be / were.

as mentioned before, I also feel like a lot of folks misinterpret the waltz sequences from Rosenkavalier as being musically conservative. of course by 1911 waltzes were long ago considered passé, but Strauss used them to hearken to the past without going all the way back to the 18th century in which it's set, and to illustrate how much of an out-of-touch buffoon Baron Ochs was and the old penniless Viennese aristocracy in general were

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contemporary composers can be so gimmicky with their scoring, yeah. pain in the rear end if you ask me (even though some of it is really good)


see this is a great example. very specific instrumentation but what a lovely payoff

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Nov 2, 2005

I think a chronological Köchelverzeichnis tour can be fun. not all classical music has to be Great Music, or "art with a capital K," as I've heard others joke.

it's swell that with classical music we have the benefit of hindsight to construct a canon of the "best" works to perform and listen to, but in the process you're surrending your taste to others, and I think it can limit your capacity to develop your ear and own aesthetic preferences.

I also don't think we should worry too much about always capitalizing on our time every second and only concerning ourselves with Art that's met a certain arbitrary threshold

finally, if you visit any art museum dedicated to a single artists, a great number of exhibits are of sketches and early works. and you'll see the rooms filled with guests and even guided tours. it can be edifying to watch an artist with a significant output develop over time

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Nov 2, 2005

Caught Mahler 5 and Adès' The Exterminating Angel Symphony on Friday. Sublime.

in other news, classical music in the UK is looking grimmer and grimmer. BBC announced that they were axing their entire choir last week:

https://twitter.com/piercepenniless/status/1635299713468727302

Guardian Story

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saladscooper posted:

Hi all, young aspiring opera singer here

My question is, does anyone appreciate Wagner, and if so, why and how. I likely will never sing Wagner unless I'm in the chorus (which restricts me to like half his output anyway) but he's obviously a major part of the rep and it would be nice to learn how to vibe with him at least a little bit. Most of the time when I listen to him, even in the shorter works, I'm just think "shut up" the whole time lmao

For reference, some of my favorite composers are Brahms/Ravel/Copland in the non-operatic division and Britten/Massenet/Sullivan in the operatic division

catch Meistersinger or Tannhäuser at a theater imo. listening to the music is only part of the Gesamtkunstwerk- they were written for the stage, not a concert hall

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tristeham posted:

ive been obsessed with brahms' third symphony lately

especially this recording, it's perfect

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jHlzuW9Ca1Q

this was such a great way to start my weekend and the Poco Allegretto has been in my head all day since :3:

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Nov 2, 2005

got tickets to see Yuja Wang with Igudesman & Joo playing a Rachmaninoff program for his 150th birthday :toot:

I've been hoping to see Igudesman & Joo for a decade and a half, ever since I saw this banger:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ifKKlhYF53w

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I'm a fan. I use a 12.9" iPad, Apple pencil, and forScore for 95% of my side gigs and practicing at home. but my main employer has a music librarian, so we get physical copies already marked up with cuts and other notes from the directors, and it would be too much work for me to turn them into pdfs. When I played for one synagogue in Manhattan they had iPads ready and preloaded with all the music for every musician lol

also that Igudesman & Joo + Yuja Wang concert was amazing and Wang played from an iPad with one of those bluetooth pedals for turning pages.

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I haven't ever felt like I needed one; a light tap on the screen is easy for me to manage. it'd be simple to get one later if you're having an issue with page turns

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imo unfortunately I wouldn't recommend a budget tablet for reading music, especially live playing.

I'm not a fan of apple and spent a lot of time looking for viable alternatives, but wasn't confident in the competition. you want very fast responsive page turns and a very clear large display, and the apple pencil 2 works as fast as a real pencil if not faster, plus you can switch pen/highlighter colors on the fly

I bought used 2020 ipad pro from Swappa.com and also got big tax write-off for my 1099 work

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2023 Classical Music Grammy nominees:




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you have to play Mahler for it to really stick in your ear

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lol

I was supposed to perform Shostakovich Op. 79 next week, but one of my colleagues is sick so I spontaneously agreed to perform Schumanns «Dichterliebe» as a substitute program. Last time I did it was 2009

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Nov 2, 2005

first rehearsal was last night. the pianist has never played it before but she's a young artist / accompanist for Opernhaus Zurich and is super responsive. trickiest to put together are #3 and #8, but I'm pretty hyped

here's a recording I like for those of you itt who haven't ever given the cycle a listen

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2klB9WebbSk

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it's not that different from film directing. anyone can go to film school, and you can get quite good and maybe be the best in your class. that doesn't mean you'll have a huge career.

without connections, many would be happy to be paid a living wage to shoot commercials that appear on YouTube. maybe you crowd-fund and go into debt to do an indie-film. maybe you give up on directing and take a steady job as a 2nd DP for a soap opera which still puts you in like the top 1% of people who have a film degree

without money and connections, it's hard to imagine producers handing you the reins to direct a Hollywood feature film. it's hard to get producers to know you even exist.

likewise performing a symphony at an international level is extremely capital intensive (operas even more so). classical music institutions run on tight budgets and have to sell tickets.

there's certainly infrastructure to bring up the next generation of composers, and it's facially "meritocratic" but it's really difficult without a safety net / Patrons / trust fund to spend all your time composing, doing competitions, working with young artists and chamber ensembles who can't afford to pay much for a commission, and doing tons of self-promotion and networking.

if the bar is to get a symphony performed, period. then study composition and get a job teaching high school or middle school orchestra

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Nov 2, 2005

drat that's a steal. then they get to advertise their concert as a Pärt world premiere which would have a very good chance of paying for itself. I feel like if that rate is true it must have been a while ago

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