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What relation has that manga to Madoka Magica? Also the author of this abomination has to be taken out and shot. Edit: It's intentionally bad, right? It has to be. Hungry Gerbil fucked around with this message at Feb 18, 2011 around 21:06 |
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jonjonaug posted:Translations are out for the first chapter of the spinoff manga too
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| # ? Feb 18, 2011 21:06 |
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Redcrimson posted:WTF is Japan's obsession with girls in boxes? They all watched the first episode of Firefly. 
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| # ? Feb 18, 2011 21:07 |
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the kawaiiest posted:I think we can discard the possibility that magical girls don't age, since Kyoko looks much younger in the flashback, when she's telling Sayaka about making her wish. Really? She looked about the same to me. A little younger, but that's easily enough explained by the differences in attitude and self-confidence. Look again. She also looks identical to her present appearance as Puella Magi when she fights in the flashback. So, if anything, this seems like evidence. The Church is pretty worn-down, and you have to account for the time after the wish but before the deaths. You also have to account for the fact that this is in their neighborhood, and Sayaka has no idea whatsoever about what Kyoko is talking about. Murder-suicides involving community leaders with many followers tend to draw a *little* more attention than that. They're young, but they're not that young.
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| # ? Feb 18, 2011 21:07 |
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Hungry Gerbil posted:What relation has that manga to Madoka Magica? Also the author of this abomination has to be taken out and shot. I don't even know. This isn't even so horrible that it can be entertaining, it's just really bad.
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| # ? Feb 18, 2011 21:13 |
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Einander posted:So, if anything, this seems like evidence. The Church is pretty worn-down, and you have to account for the time after the wish but before the deaths. You also have to account for the fact that this is in their neighborhood, and Sayaka has no idea whatsoever about what Kyoko is talking about. Murder-suicides involving community leaders with many followers tend to draw a *little* more attention than that. They're young, but they're not that young. Unless murder-suicides and decrepit abandoned buildings are an open secret that nobody talks about and/or so common that they aren't seen as terribly significant. Remember what Witches do when they're not being hunted, and where the last one we saw did it. Or it's just to emphasize that selling prepubescent girls the power to rewrite reality in exchange for becoming child soldiers is really not so good for them or their families.
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| # ? Feb 18, 2011 21:16 |
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jonjonaug posted:Translations are out for the first chapter of the spinoff manga too. Warning: It's pretty bad. What a disaster. Can't they ever get competent people to do spinoff mangas?
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| # ? Feb 18, 2011 21:32 |
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I can barely follow what is going on with that spinoff. Why doesn't the bomber have any lines at all? What makes that girl think he runs a shop somewhere in town? Why are these high school girls making a big deal about this? I understand that they're probably magical girls, but then, what does this have to do with them? The bomber isn't a witch. And then the main girl is defending that guy? Why? All he did was accidentally kidnap her and then tell her he was going to bomb... something. That is not what a "good guy" is. And why do the police know all of this guy's backstory already? Is he a repeat offender? Oh, a page later it tells me she is defending him because he treasures food, and they should check that the time bomb is real before making an arrest. And just some "oh no sexism" about the policewoman heading the investigation, for good measure. And then amnesia and rich kids living together and THE WITCH IS A PERSON which kind of goes completely against everything in the Madoka canon so far. UGH. The scene about the magical beef stroganoff was kind of neat, I must admit, although it was ruined by... well, by being in the rest of this mess. The pacing is way too fast, nothing is explained or characterized in a meaningful way, and this thing is confusing as all get out. Amnesia is honestly the worst plot device, and it blatantly ignores what we know of Madoka canon. Avoid this.
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| # ? Feb 18, 2011 21:50 |
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jonjonaug posted:Translations are out for the first chapter of the spinoff manga too. Warning: It's pretty bad. Did the author even know the story to Madoka before making this? It reads like a sub-par original product that was crammed into the role of a spin off when it couldn't be published. The 19th Person fucked around with this message at Feb 18, 2011 around 22:01 |
| # ? Feb 18, 2011 21:56 |
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gnome7 posted:The pacing is way too fast, nothing is explained or characterized in a meaningful way, and this thing is confusing as all get out. Amnesia is honestly the worst plot device, and it blatantly ignores what we know of Madoka canon. Avoid this. Can you or anyone else even explain the mall scene? I don't just mean "why did the character act this way" or anything like that, I literally could not follow what was going on at all. I don't know whether to blame the translation or not but it all appeared to be a jumbled mess.
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| # ? Feb 18, 2011 22:03 |
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After reading that my mind felt violated.
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| # ? Feb 18, 2011 22:06 |
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Well, of all people, I honestly didn't expect Hitomi to throw a wrench into things. "So you thought I've become irrelevant to the show, eh? Surprise!" I mean, I figured Sayaka's wish wouldn't exactly go as planned, but I didn't think that would happen. I'm feeling bad for, well, pretty much everybody right now, but especially Sayaka. No wonder she went crazy at the end. It's nice to see there's more to Kyouku than what meets the eye, though. Gotta say this show does a great job keeping you hooked for the next week.
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| # ? Feb 18, 2011 22:14 |
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Super Jay Mann posted:Can you or anyone else even explain the mall scene? I don't just mean "why did the character act this way" or anything like that, I literally could not follow what was going on at all. I don't know whether to blame the translation or not but it all appeared to be a jumbled mess. Dude goes to trade back suitcases, girl's friends show up and check what's in it, cops show up and yell, girl jumps out and yells, bomb turns into confetti through magic, woman in charge of officers catches poo poo for being a woman, everyone is real mad and goes home. That's how I think it went. Worse than being badly written, anyway, is how huge a bunch of lolicon bait this thing is. I mean, drat.
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| # ? Feb 18, 2011 22:16 |
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So the real question is when Sayaka bites it does that undo her wish and recripple the guy?
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| # ? Feb 18, 2011 22:29 |
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mistaya posted:Kyuubei mentions at the beginning "If you go further you won't feel pain at all. But then your movements will be slower so I don't recommend it." Does he mean further from the gem? Like making Madoka hold it or something? I don't know but it looked like that's what she was doing during the end fight. Kyuubei's speech at the start (with a few extra lines added for context): "You were able to remain standing in your fight with Kyoko only because you blocked out the worst of the pain. Because your consciousness isn't directly connected to your body, you can do this. That's why you survived that battle. Once you get used to it, you'll be able to block out all pain. Of course, that'll blunt your reactions, so perhaps you shouldn't get too used to it." Then at the end: Kyoko: "Don't tell me you're--" Sayaka: "He was right! If I don't want to, I don't have to feel a thing!" I get a bad feeling that Kyuubei's little warning about getting too used to it is going to come back to haunt her sooner or later...
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| # ? Feb 18, 2011 22:34 |
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arhra posted:Kyoko: "Don't tell me you're--" I think that this is a combination of Sayaka not having to feel pain from being attacked, and also that she thinks she won't feel pain if she just throws everything into being a hero. That...usually doesn't turn out too well in Urobuchi works (not just becoming a hero, but any sort of fanatical devotion). Fate/Zero spoilers posted:The voice that leaked out from his mouth was simply empty, like a wind blowing in through a crevice from a hollow cave. There was no sorrow. There was no anger. It was obvious. There was no longer anything inside Emiya Kiritsugu. He turned his back on the miracle he had pursued, and relinquished even the compensation for that betrayal. It was impossible for there to be anything inside him now.
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| # ? Feb 18, 2011 22:43 |
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jonjonaug posted:I think that this is a combination of Sayaka not having to feel pain from being attacked, and also that she thinks she won't feel pain if she just throws everything into being a hero. I think this is it pretty much on the nose. Sayaka's been shown the reality of her situation, and she can't take it. She's running away, using her ability to blunt the pain. She's throwing herself into her duty recklessly in the same way someone might become an alcoholic in order to escape a painful situation. This is the start of a self-destructive downward spiral. 
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| # ? Feb 18, 2011 23:22 |
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jonjonaug posted:I think that this is a combination of Sayaka not having to feel pain from being attacked, and also that she thinks she won't feel pain if she just throws everything into being a hero. *Fate/Zero stuff* I was thinking Sayaka reminded me more of Kariya Mato, really. Homura struck me as more of a Kiritsugu I just love Urobuchi's way of crushing characters.
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| # ? Feb 18, 2011 23:38 |
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Einander posted:Really? She looked about the same to me. A little younger, but that's easily enough explained by the differences in attitude and self-confidence. Look again. She also looks identical to her present appearance as Puella Magi when she fights in the flashback. Yeah I guess you're right. I just thought she looked younger because she's slightly shorter in the flashback, but I guess it's such a small difference that it doesn't matter.
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| # ? Feb 18, 2011 23:56 |
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Am I completely heartless, or did no one else think Kyubey was being pretty reasonable? Smug Bastard sure, but protecting the soul for fighting seems like a good idea, regardless of if it's fine print in the contract the girls are too stupid to read/ask about. Okay, activating the gem so Sakaya could feel what she was missing was a dick way of proving his point, but again, Smug Bastard. And finally, I like how this all seems to be leading to my original prediction regarding the violin kid, but in a different way. Looks like the confession will happen, Sayaka will freak out, and violin kid is toast either way (by finding out what she did and going insane, just like the preacher Dad, or getting killed (intentionally or not) by Sayaka or whoever she's fighting.)
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| # ? Feb 18, 2011 23:57 |
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AnacondaHL posted:Looks like the confession will happen, Sayaka will freak out, and violin kid is toast either way (by finding out what she did and going insane, just like the preacher Dad, or getting killed (intentionally or not) by Sayaka or whoever she's fighting.) I don't see why he'd go insane like the dad did, given how completely different the wishes were. The dad found out his entire congregation only followed him because of magic and not because anyone actually shared his values and beliefs, which, considering how the family was treated before the wish, could easily ruin his faith in humanity. Meanwhile Kamijou got his hand healed, which I can hardly see anyone going insane over if someone told them it was by ~magic~ rather than medical reasons. Especially since he had no explanation for it happening in the first place - how is it different from thinking it was just healed by a miracle? It's not like the wishes make things inherently bad/evil or anything, Kyouko's situation was unique in that it tampered with people's free will. Wish it was thursday already.
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| # ? Feb 19, 2011 00:35 |
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jonjonaug posted:Fanart: Haha, made this my wallpaper before Sayaka was badass. Ep 8 rocked, even without any multi-sword action. This buildup is killing me, here's hoping the last episode lives up to all of our expectations.
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| # ? Feb 19, 2011 00:40 |
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Insurrectionist posted:Wish it was thursday already. Wish granted! :Kyubee: EDIT: I can't days of the week. gnome7 fucked around with this message at Feb 19, 2011 around 00:47 |
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Insurrectionist posted:I don't see why he'd go insane like the dad did, given how completely different the wishes were. The dad found out his entire congregation only followed him because of magic and not because anyone actually shared his values and beliefs, which, considering how the family was treated before the wish, could easily ruin his faith in humanity. Meanwhile Kamijou got his hand healed, which I can hardly see anyone going insane over if someone told them it was by ~magic~ rather than medical reasons. Especially since he had no explanation for it happening in the first place - how is it different from thinking it was just healed by a miracle? It's not like the wishes make things inherently bad/evil or anything, Kyouko's situation was unique in that it tampered with people's free will. Because just as the Dad's life was devoted to his creed, the kid's life is devoted to that violin. No need to point out how depressed he was rotting away in the hospital. If he has this on his mind every time he thinks of his had or a violin, I could see him doing a similar freakout. Or he could be a complete rear end and be like "welp, thanks for that, but your friend here gives it up, so laters."
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| # ? Feb 19, 2011 00:47 |
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There is also that her dad was a Christian and in Abrahamic religions magic is generally incredibly satanic and you land yourself in some eternal suffering for it. Especially if you in your time of need go and make a pact for great power with a strange but harmless-looking creature. Another possibility with Kamijou, anyway, is that he rejects Hitomi.
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| # ? Feb 19, 2011 01:21 |
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AnacondaHL posted:Because just as the Dad's life was devoted to his creed, the kid's life is devoted to that violin. No need to point out how depressed he was rotting away in the hospital. If he has this on his mind every time he thinks of his had or a violin, I could see him doing a similar freakout. Yeah but violin kid already knew how to play and was good at it, all Sayaka did was wish that his hand would heal so he could do play again. Kyoko's dad freaked out because he realized that no one actually believed him, he didn't have any real followers, he never achieved any of the things he thought he'd achieved. Violin kid doesn't think he healed himself, so I don't think he'll freak out of he finds out it was magic. I could see him freaking out if he had never been able to play and suddenly became good at it.
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| # ? Feb 19, 2011 01:21 |
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I think Kyubei's place on the good/evil scale depends a lot on exactly what the relationship turns out to be between witches/puella magi/Kyuubeis. If witches just always have occurred and left unchecked will consume not just a few people but whole towns or cities an outside presence stepping in and creating Puella Magi to keep them in check could be seen as working for the greater good, even if its methods seem unscrupulous or at least completely detached from our morals. Even if making middle school girls into battle liches rather horrifies me. But if witches are either created at the same time or are created when Magical Girls use up all of their magic, are corrupted somehow, or even die that changes the equation. If creating puella magi also creates witches then there's basically no real upside for us. It does seem to mean that Kyruubei gets tasty Grief Seeds to eat, but that seems like a really complicated way to go about getting sustenance, even if you are a...whatever the hell he is. At this point I'm leaning towards the first. Either Kyubei on his own, or whatever powers he works for or is a part of figures that the whole thing is a net positive for humanity, the world, afterlife, the universe or whatever. As an added bonus Kyuubei gets tasty Grief Seeds to snack on.  I'm still a little worried about the series' direction from some of the discussion on Urobuchi's other works. I don't mind grim, or bleak or even completly hopeless but for me, it has to have a point to it, beyond just the author's desire to break things. Telling a really good story can be enough of a point, I'm not just saying it has to be "deep". To be clear, I haven't read (or played whatever you would call it) Saya no Uta or Fate/Stay so I'm strictly going on what impressions I've gathered from this thread and reading about those. I guess what I'm wondering is: is he a good storyteller who isn't afraid to push boundaries or just someone who torments his characters just to torture them? So far I think he's telling a great story and nothing has felt arbitrary or wantonly cruel. I just hope that that is his track record, not someone who, for lack of a better word "trolls" his readers. a kitten fucked around with this message at Oct 27, 2011 around 04:49 |
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chelsea clinton posted:Another possibility with Kamijou, anyway, is that he rejects Hitomi. Going on a limb and calling that this, the most anti-climactic possibility in a bad way, and with considerations to how the series is moving, will just not happen. But all valid points on the violin guy, I'm definitely leaning towards him "not being thankful" to Sayaka, as she was warned about earlier.
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| # ? Feb 19, 2011 01:28 |
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Well, I think at least part of the point is commentary on the typical Magical Girl narrative that portrays their secret life as an unequivocally good thing. I also think it definitely has some other ethical or emotional point, it's just that the information we have isn't complete enough to know what that point is. This is just going by the show itself, I have no knowledge at all of the writer's other work.
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| # ? Feb 19, 2011 01:30 |
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AnacondaHL posted:I'm definitely leaning towards him "not being thankful" to Sayaka, as she was warned about earlier. 1.Sayaka takes Hitomi's advice and confesses to violin kid. He rejects her. In order to win his favor, she spills the beans on his miraculous recovery. He spouts some bullshit like "I secretly hate violins, why did you do that to me?" causing Sayaka to delve into a self-destructive witch-slaying tangent ultimately resulting in her getting "Mami'd". 2.Hitomi and Violin kid have a happy lovey-dovey relationship leaving Sayaka torn between being genuinely happy for her friends and murderous jealousy. unable to sort out her conflicting emotions, Sayaka continues to recklessly battle witches ultimately resulting in her getting "Mami'd". Either way I don't think Sayaka is making it to Ep 9. Redcrimson fucked around with this message at Feb 19, 2011 around 02:00 |
| # ? Feb 19, 2011 01:52 |
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Is anyone else having trouble with GG's encode? I'm on a mac, running the latest Perian and I've been able to watch every other release by them... but apparently this one says no for some reason.
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| # ? Feb 19, 2011 02:10 |
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I saw this coming a mile away, he gets better only to be with someone else. That poo poo happens to me all the time... ungrateful bitches.. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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| # ? Feb 19, 2011 02:25 |
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Battle Strudel posted:Is anyone else having trouble with GG's encode? I'm on a mac, running the latest Perian and I've been able to watch every other release by them... but apparently this one says no for some reason.
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| # ? Feb 19, 2011 02:26 |
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chelsea clinton posted:Another possibility with Kamijou, anyway, is that he rejects Hitomi. Off the wall theory leading off that: Kamijou rejects Hitomi, Hitomi becomes a magical girl with her wish being to make Kamijou love her, ends in Sayaka/Hitomi fight to the death. That might be too hosed up even for this show, though.
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| # ? Feb 19, 2011 02:29 |
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Viash posted:Off the wall theory leading off that: Kamijou rejects Hitomi, Hitomi becomes a magical girl with her wish being to make Kamijou love her, ends in Sayaka/Hitomi fight to the death. I don't think that will happen because we already have our 5 magical girls: Homura, Mami, Sayaka, Kyouko, and Madoka. This genre typically only has 5 of them in the first season, and they are of the character types these girls fall in to. Mysterious Girl, Rich/Smug Girl, Determined Girl, Angry Girl, and Crybaby Girl. For the sake of convention, I don't think we're going to get any more. Because you all know how much Urobuchi loves sticking to convention.
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| # ? Feb 19, 2011 02:50 |
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Viash posted:Off the wall theory leading off that: Kamijou rejects Hitomi, Hitomi becomes a magical girl with her wish being to make Kamijou love her, ends in Sayaka/Hitomi fight to the death. I don't think anything's too hosed up for this show by this point.
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| # ? Feb 19, 2011 02:57 |
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Redcrimson posted:WTF is Japan's obsession with girls in boxes? When you rescue a girl from her constraints, she has to fall in love with you. Those are the thematic rules. e: Conifist posted:I saw this coming a mile away, he gets better only to be with someone else. That poo poo happens to me all the time... ungrateful bitches... How nice for you! Doc Hawkins fucked around with this message at Feb 19, 2011 around 03:10 |
| # ? Feb 19, 2011 03:07 |
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Well, we've had a lot of the standard expectations broken. What if the Sayaka issue gets turned on end as well? Sayaka's going to be down for a long time after this fight. When she loses, she's not going to have the magical power to heal herself to full as she doesn't have any Grief Seeds to absorb the power debt from the fight (I'm still convinced that's what it's doing). She's going to be in the hospital for a long time, so maybe Kamijou stays with her as she did with him, giving up the chance to reclaim his fame. Unless guys can get magical powers too...
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| # ? Feb 19, 2011 05:15 |
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Redcrimson posted:Given the name of the next episode, I'd say this is the most likely outcome. There's only two scenarios I can realistically see playing out. I am tacking on to this that when Sayaka finally gets Mami'd, violin dude with either: a. be in a concert and his hands will give out in the middle of a piece causing him to break down on stage, or... b. on a date with Hitomi and will suddenly lose the feeling in his hands (dropping a cup, holding hands, etc) and proceed to freak out in public, or... c. his legs give out by walking home with Hitomi from the date and he'll fall into traffic, only to get run over and scar Hitomi for life.
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| # ? Feb 19, 2011 08:24 |
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Fuck'em all!
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AlternateNu posted:
This will happen, and then Kyubey will appear before Hitomi and offer to heal her boyfriend in return for her contracting to be magical girl. Violin dude is the gift that never stops giving.
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