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Deep Hurting posted:This is supposed to be about the budget: I don't really have an opinion on whether or not you should color it, I always think your B&W drawings have a certain charm to them too, and usually wouldn't mind at all if you didn't color.
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| # ? Feb 17, 2011 11:25 |
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Looks like he is toasting with Reagen, but still the same message. I would put the body-builders in a military jumpsuit, business suit and maybe work overalls.
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| # ? Feb 17, 2011 12:42 |
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Too many labels.
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| # ? Feb 17, 2011 12:52 |
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Deep Hurting posted:This is supposed to be about the budget: Reminds me of this:  That said, I think the labels work here. Colour-wise, it's fine as is, but it could go either way.
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| # ? Feb 17, 2011 13:14 |
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I like the last one. Now make one about WI Gov. Walker trying to bust public unions, which will do nothing to fix the budget. Edit: here's my uncreative idea. Wife says to husband: "Looks like we have some bills to pay." Husband (Walker): "We better put Rover down" and aims a gun at the eager dog (Unions). lord funk fucked around with this message at Feb 17, 2011 around 13:57 |
| # ? Feb 17, 2011 13:16 |
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sean10mm posted:Too many labels. I thought that initially, but on consideration, I'm not sure the message is clear enough without them. At the very least, they don't detract from anything. I also thought "tax cuts for the rich" was too much, but without it the cartoon becomes another cartoon about the working class supporting the upper class... well, that's not new or interesting, is it? The line adds a bit of depth, like "here is something tangibly wrong and currently relevant" as opposed to "american capitalism sucks"
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| # ? Feb 17, 2011 14:51 |
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This is one cartoon where I don't mind the labels.
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| # ? Feb 17, 2011 15:34 |
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Don't put the body builders in military uniforms, that would suggest that the money goes to the members of the military itself rather than the slimy contractors. If you change them to anything, make them fatcats from the big guys like Lockheed, Northrop, Boeing, etc.
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| # ? Feb 17, 2011 15:37 |
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I thought the most interesting dichotomy from the budget debate was the fact that a "second engine" for the Joint Strike Fighter (a completely useless thing) almost completely eclipsed the fact that highly successful life-saving foreign aid programs are getting cut drastically (cuts that won't impact the budget at all). I'd love to see a cartoon that comments on this somehow.
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| # ? Feb 17, 2011 15:39 |
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Deep Hurting posted:No no, I meant, does this need color?
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| # ? Feb 17, 2011 16:31 |
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zeek40 posted:Don't put the body builders in military uniforms, that would suggest that the money goes to the members of the military itself rather than the slimy contractors. If you change them to anything, make them fatcats from the big guys like Lockheed, Northrop, Boeing, etc. Perhaps suits with a tiny yellow "support our troops" ribbon?
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| # ? Feb 17, 2011 17:56 |
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Couldn't the strongmen just all be Rambo wannabes, the middle class looks normal, and the poor guy remain looking like a hobo? I mean that seems pretty on the nose. Hell you can even make the three middle guys look like a construction worker, a paper pusher, etc
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| # ? Feb 17, 2011 23:24 |
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Have the middle class holding up the table, the poor being trod upon by the middle class, and the MIC standing around flexing but not actually holding it up.
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| # ? Feb 18, 2011 00:15 |
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It reminds me of this cartoon: Though I guess the same could be said of any social-pyramid type cartoon. I like it.
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| # ? Feb 18, 2011 18:27 |
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^^^^ Yeah that was posted on this very page.
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| # ? Feb 19, 2011 04:43 |
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Hog Obituary posted:^^^^ The "Sorry, this image is no longer available to public" one?
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| # ? Feb 19, 2011 04:54 |
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Pidmon posted:The "Sorry, this image is no longer available to public" one? Yeah, that was the one. I had an idea along the same lines, it's not necessarily a topical cartoon that needs to be done now and it's along the same lines as your idea. As I'm sure we're all aware, the American manufacturing industry has gone over to China, India, etc while the rise of the credit industry has caused the middle class to go more and more in debt. I was thinking of something like showing a representation of the middle class from the 50s or whatever, union workers like automotive, steel, whatever with it sort of labeled as "1950 Middle Class" and then you have another panel with "2010 Middle Class" with the people holding shopping bags, preferably obese as well maybe even in those rascal scooters, possibly even adding in a Wal-Mart/McDonalds worker or something. It's even more stark when you look at this, from a book written by Elizabeth Warren and her daughter:  (Link: http://harvardmagazine.com/2006/01/...rear end-on-the-html) Yeah, a dual income family today has $850 dollars less for discretionary spending (which includes things like food, clothes, etc) than a single income family in the 70s 
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What The Fucktrain posted:Yeah, that was the one. Is there a breakdown anywhere of how much of that is a growth in financing costs (repayments & premiums etc) and a growth in cost of living for real products/services?
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| # ? Feb 19, 2011 06:44 |
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annatar posted:Is there a breakdown anywhere of how much of that is a growth in financing costs (repayments & premiums etc) and a growth in cost of living for real products/services? The article I linked to doesn't break down every bit of it, but it does go over how expenditures on things like food, clothing and even entertainment are like 20-30% lower now than in the 1970s obviously to go ahead and dispel what the article talks about, this concept of "affluenza" coined by another author where people are basically buying too much junk. To the specifics of increase in mortgage/insurance/etc it just says what they are today, not really a side-by-side comparison though. Other than that, I don't think it goes too in depth, but it is essentially an article on a book they wrote, so I would imagine you could find a lot more in that. http://www.amazon.com/Two-Income-Tr...98104249&sr=8-2 And apparently they have $1,500 less than their 1970s counterpart, not $850. Obviously that just makes it more depressing.
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| # ? Feb 19, 2011 08:35 |
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=akVL7QY0S8A This lecture by Elizabeth Warren goes into the same issue, including with numbers and a breakdown of where they come from. I imagine her published work, as linked above, would contain even more detail. I can not recommend watching this lecture and/or reading up on this enough.
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| # ? Feb 19, 2011 12:19 |
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Pidmon posted:The "Sorry, this image is no longer available to public" one? Oops, sorry, I guess it was in my cache.
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| # ? Feb 19, 2011 19:30 |
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Deep Hurting posted:
I feel like the iphones or whatever they're holding don't really contribute to the comic. It just seems to be in there. Also the Egyptian revolution didn't really get rolling until they took down the internet and everyone had to leave their house to see what was going on - which took down Twitter and Facebook. They're real popular with the media but I don't know what they actually did.
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Paul MaudDib posted:I feel like the iphones or whatever they're holding don't really contribute to the comic. It just seems to be in there. The general feeling that lead to protests was, if I'm not mistaken, sort of sparked by Wael Ghonim, the Google guy, who started a page for a young guy who was killed by the police on facebook. That's not to say this was some sort of internet revolution, but I think the internet and what it allows in way of knowledge and communication to pass to one another was sort of kindling for the bigger unrest shared with the population (poverty, unemployment, oppression, etc). Orange Devil posted:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=akVL7QY0S8A Gotta love YouTube comments: quote:@ZealfortheCross The only thing worse than a zionist stooge is a christian zionist stooge. All Jew All The Time  Karl Sharks fucked around with this message at Feb 19, 2011 around 22:00 |
| # ? Feb 19, 2011 21:56 |
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That dude's wrong, Jews are like .002% of the US population.
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| # ? Feb 20, 2011 05:46 |
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scary ghost dog posted:That dude's wrong, Jews are like .002% of the US population. uh, 1.7% of americans are Jewish.
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| # ? Feb 20, 2011 06:36 |
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Hey Deep Hurting, if you need cartoon ideas, here's one: a gladitorial arena, a la ancient Rome, where a bunch of corporate fat cats are watching a Tea Party member and a union worker fight to the death.
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| # ? Feb 22, 2011 19:24 |
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DaveWoo posted:Hey Deep Hurting, if you need cartoon ideas, here's one: a gladitorial arena, a la ancient Rome, where a bunch of corporate fat cats are watching a Tea Party member and a union worker fight to the death. Hah, that's pretty good, but I don't want every single cartoon I draw to have corporate guys in it. I actually have at least one or two ideas in mind for the stuff going on in Wisconsin, after a night of heavy brainstorming. Maybe I'll post some sketches in a few hours.
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| # ? Feb 22, 2011 21:17 |
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Deep Hurting posted:I actually have at least one or two ideas in mind for the stuff going on in Wisconsin, after a night of heavy brainstorming. Maybe I'll post some sketches in a few hours.  Here's an idea I had. Another I was considering depicts a phalanx with their shields spelling out UNIONS, and Walker is perched atop a ballista that's pointed at them while screaming, "Throw down your shields!!" I feel the above-posted sketch is simpler and will be easier for people to understand, though. Deep Hurting fucked around with this message at Feb 23, 2011 around 02:17 |
| # ? Feb 23, 2011 02:15 |
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The big bad wolf one is way better, with bonus connotations of blowing hot air.
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| # ? Feb 23, 2011 03:29 |
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I don't like it because the school is made of bricks, and in the story that house withstands the blowing. Our schools are going to get completely leveled by his budget plan. But if you make it out of straw, that means the schools are of shoddy quality, which they aren't. Am I reading it wrong?
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| # ? Feb 23, 2011 04:12 |
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lord funk posted:I don't like it because the school is made of bricks, and in the story that house withstands the blowing. Our schools are going to get completely leveled by his budget plan. But if you make it out of straw, that means the schools are of shoddy quality, which they aren't. Yeah, the cartoon conveys a lot more confidence in our schools and unions to withstand this attack than is probably warranted. The pigs in the brick house have no reason to worry, but people interested in saving our unions should be taking to the streets in protest. It is a nice clear image and the message makes sense, but it feels a bit out of sync with the actual situation.
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| # ? Feb 23, 2011 04:18 |
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lord funk posted:I don't like it because the school is made of bricks, and in the story that house withstands the blowing. Our schools are going to get completely leveled by his budget plan. But if you make it out of straw, that means the schools are of shoddy quality, which they aren't. Notice the pile of bricks labeled "UNIONS." Eripsa posted:Yeah, the cartoon conveys a lot more confidence in our schools and unions to withstand this attack than is probably warranted. The pigs in the brick house have no reason to worry As long as they don't let the wolf in. I'm comparing giving up and "negotiating" with Walker any more to voluntarily letting the wolf in instead of standing firm. Deep Hurting fucked around with this message at Feb 23, 2011 around 04:28 |
| # ? Feb 23, 2011 04:23 |
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Plus you can't make a schoolhouse out of sticks and straw. Well done Deep Hurting.
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| # ? Feb 23, 2011 04:40 |
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Deep Hurting posted:Good stuff!
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| # ? Feb 23, 2011 12:47 |
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I may be too personally invested in the situation, but I still think it's sending the wrong message. The anti-union sentiment is predicated on the belief that unions are brick-like strongholds that can't be broken. The strip seems to play too far to that perspective. Could you give Walker a wrecking ball instead? The 2011 biennial budget wrecking ball?
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| # ? Feb 23, 2011 18:25 |
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"I'll huff and I'll puff and I'll blow your house down!" with him at the controls of a wrecking-ball crane would work, visually and intellectually.
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| # ? Feb 23, 2011 19:07 |
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When this story broke I thought of a map scene where we see a bunch of teachers and other employees in Illinois mooning Walker who is in Wisconsin.
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| # ? Feb 23, 2011 19:10 |
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If you don't need to keep exactly to the Big Bad Wolf script you open up a host of interesting visuals. "Or I'll huff and I'll puff, and I'll blow your house up!" "Or I'll huff and I'll puff, and I'll tear/knock your house down!"
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| # ? Feb 23, 2011 19:20 |
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Grundulum posted:If you don't need to keep exactly to the Big Bad Wolf script you open up a host of interesting visuals. "Or I'll huff and I'll puff, and I'll call the national guard in!" EDIT: "After I check with Koch to make sure he's cool with it, of course."
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lord funk posted:I may be too personally invested in the situation, but I still think it's sending the wrong message. The anti-union sentiment is predicated on the belief that unions are brick-like strongholds that can't be broken. The strip seems to play too far to that perspective. Except the wolf is pretty universally recognized as the bad guy. So much so that numerous animated cartoons from Hollywood's Golden Era exploited this symbolism in a number of ways, and I'm pretty sure the wolf was never made out to be the good guy except when he was telling the (obviously fabricated) story. I mean, Tex Avery's first cartoon at MGM used the wolf as a metaphor for Hitler. quote:unions are brick-like strongholds that can't be broken. Why is this a bad thing?
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