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Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012

Guyver posted:

Majestic Prince preview.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ywxoFz05R3g

Hisashi Hirai is back in the character design saddle and it's being directed by Keitaro Motonaga (Jormungand.) Looks okay I guess. Based on a Monthy Hero manga.

ugh more Hirai sameface. Seriously, that bit where it switched between the various pilots and there was zero difference except for hair colour... how does this guy still get jobs?

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Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012

Guyver posted:

I'd say Takahiro Kimura's big work before GaoGaiGar was Dirty Pair Flash in 1994 which was huge in its day. He didn't head a Viper game till 1995 with V16. His first big break into animation direction instead of just animation was the Bastard OVA in '92 and for TV G Gundam.

One of the things he does to make money is draw porn of the characters from the shows he's worked on then sell the pictures and all the production materials (sketches, ink traces and the final colored version) on Yahoo Auctions.

That's surprisingly common for manga artists, isn't it? See also, the guys who did Black Lagoon and Hellsing.

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012

muike posted:

I want subs of the Arabic version of Mazinger Z where Doctor Hell is renamed Father Rage.

Honestly, that's a kind of badass villain name.

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012
Can't speak for L-Gaim, but Victory Gundam was way worse than Zeta on gender issues. In it, Tomino posited through his characters (in quite explicit let's-sit-down-and-talk-about-Women discussion groups) that the most important role of a woman is to create life. Their ability to create life in turn makes their lives more valuable than those of men, which is why Tomino chose to illustrate the true horror of war by introducing an all-female squadron to be killed off one by one whilst naked, sexily-posing images of them flashed across the screen. Their bodycount was so high that they were reinforced halfway through the series so Tomino could maintain a steady supply of naked dead women until the series ended. However, Tomino also pointed out that since women were primarily designed to create life, they were less capable at everything else. Putting women in positions of power would by default lead to disaster, having women fight ran the risk of having their ~feelings as a woman~ overcome them, and so on. There were a couple of capable female soldiers, but it felt like they were more despite Tomino's best efforts than because of them - the lead female pilot, Marbet, temporarily retreated from battle when her unborn child telepathically told her to get back in the kitchen and make him a sandwich. Also, because a woman's greatest value is in creating life, the worst crime a woman can commit is by renouncing that and destroying life instead, which was what made the primary villainess, Katejina, so horrible, evil, and irredeemable, and why another female villain was temporarily (and fatally) distracted by the revelation that oh my god women can give birth.

I poo poo you not - this was all very explicitly spelled out.

Darth Walrus fucked around with this message at 21:30 on Nov 10, 2013

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012

Guyver posted:

This isn't true. The whole newtype nakedness is symbolic of the how complete the connection is. That said it never happens with the Shrike Team. Nor did they get reinforcements.

Did you watch the show raw or something?

Also the woman who was "distracted by the revelation that oh my god women can give birth" was plum loving space crazy from oxygen deprivation like Amuro's dad.

no, that's how Tomino uses nakedness in his other shows, but in Victory, it's generally linked with the death of an attractive female character. And yes, it does happen every time a Shrike Team character dies. You want me to get specific episode and timestamps? Because I can.

As for Fuala, yes she was crazy, but it's a specific kind of crazy that fits thematically with other, saner characters' opinions on childbirth and the role of women in the show.

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012
it does look pretty swish, yeah. I like the little corporate logos, too.

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012

ManSeriesBrofist posted:

So I know it's a dumb idea, but I really have been toying around with a rewatch of Blue Gender. I'm finishing Turn A this week and kinda want a sharp contrast in every single way.

... why? Do you hate good things that much?

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012

Looks like it'll be retaining Star Driver's style of music as well.

I'm OK with this.

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012
I think that one fundamental issue I had with Gun X Sword was the main villain - the Claw really didn't seem like a figure capable of commanding the sort of fanatical support he did. He was mostly a nice old man, yes, but when a nice old man goes senile and starts murdering people on extremely shaky (or nonexistent) grounds, you lock him away in a pleasant, secure care home, you don't start a cult around him. Dude was basically Lord Ezelcant six years earlier.

I mean, I get that the bad guys are supposed to be bad and we're not supposed to agree with them, but it's generally considered a plus if their bad opinions, goals, and worldview are human and believable anyway. The Claw's followers were pretty ideal cultists, yes, but it strains plausibility that out of the thousands of possible cults out there, they would have picked this one.

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012
Just finished watching VOTOMS. It was pretty fun, with some haunting setpieces, but I can't help but wonder how experienced the staff were when they made it. The cinematography was kind of flabby and amateurish, particularly early on, and it often felt like they were making up the plot as they went along, resulting in some clumsy, obvious welding together of plot points (much about Captain Rochina's characterisation and the Secret Society's goals and motives failed to make sense when examined as a whole, for instance).

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012

muike posted:

Yeah I agree, and also will include the warning to not continue further unless you want to see chirico as space wolverine jesus

Oh, I don't intend to go any further. The original show was fairly self-contained (which is, paradoxically, why I'm harder on the wobbly bits - they don't feel like hooks for additional stories, but simply stuff that the writers didn't think through), and the final scenes were good enough and struck an appropriate enough tone that I don't want to see them get ruined by Fyana getting insta-fridged in the sequel. Kinda like how Aliens is the best place to stop in its franchise.

Speaking of, I wish Fyana had been given more to do in the Quent arc. I mean, yes, her not getting into many fights made serviceable character sense given her circumstances (she's not a big fan of fighting unless she's backed into a corner/Chirico's in immediate peril that she can do something about), but it's just plain fun seeing someone who isn't Chirico pulling the same insane one-man-army poo poo against hordes of bad guys, and that was a real highlight of the Space Battleship X/Sunsa arc.

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012

muike posted:

Yeah Fyana's cool when she's not absolutely helpless and may be the only jewish love interest in anime

I think 'helpless' is unfair (apart from that one time on Sunsa which I'm giving a pass because it's an obvious mirror of the episodes earlier in the arc where she had to do the heavy lifting for an incapacitated Chirico). It's more that she doesn't happen to have Chirico's bloodlust, and keeps getting put into positions where anyone, including our hero, would have no choice but to sit around and twiddle their toes (and we know this because Chirico also gets put into those positions, but less often and for shorter periods of time).

The end result is still a relative lack of opportunities for the badass super soldier love interest to do cool things, though, and it's an absolute crime that the Berserga DT never got a proper fight.

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012

tsob posted:

Perhaps it's the fact it's untranslated, but I find it pretty meh personally. The art is lovely, the music is fun, but I don't think the joke will have that much staying power, at least in this format, because the first episode was literally nothing but a fight that had all of one move. Guess it depends on what the second episode is, more fights or the hero at home/work or what.

You take that back about One Punch Man.

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012
Question - what would you guys say is the best giant robot fight scene you've watched? In terms of animation, choreography, or whatever.

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012

Bendigeidfran posted:

What are your favorites, btw?

I mostly asked because I was having difficulty thinking about it, and I like to learn more about cinematography - what makes good fight choreography and the like, and how it applies to non-human combatants. Banagher going loco on Frontal in Episode Three of Gundam Unicorn is very impressive, and so are eps 6, 15, and 18 of Gundam Build Fighters. I was mentally ruling out the Evangelion options because they're robot (for a given definition of 'robot') versus monster rather than robot versus robot, but Rebuild Sahaquiel is quite a spectacle.

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012

Darth Walrus posted:

I mostly asked because I was having difficulty thinking about it, and I like to learn more about cinematography - what makes good fight choreography and the like, and how it applies to non-human combatants. Banagher going loco on Frontal in Episode Three of Gundam Unicorn is very impressive, and so are eps 6, 15, and 18 of Gundam Build Fighters. I was mentally ruling out the Evangelion options because they're robot (for a given definition of 'robot') versus monster rather than robot versus robot, but Rebuild Sahaquiel is quite a spectacle.

Already mentioned GBF.

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012

Clawshrimpy posted:

I doubt it. I know me making that post was a huge risk, no matter how much I try to word myself better, shown how I've been trying to improve on myself after being exiled pretty much to social media, but, in the end, I guess maybe I haven't changed or improved enough.

The problem is not the quality of your arguments. The problem is that you're announcing your return to the forums by picking up an argument you left off two years ago. If I didn't already know it was an exercise in futility, I'd advise you to get help - instead, I'll just advise anyone unfamiliar with this guy not to engage, as it will not end well.

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012

Beef Waifu posted:

I have no idea who Clawshrimpy is...


Wowow

Click the little question mark under his name. It's a hell of a trip.

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012

Beef Waifu posted:

Man, I'm not even in this thread either. I'm here because I got a report saying I should probate Clawshrimpy and I can't probate this dude who I don't know. I mean... that's a huge rear end fuckin post with a lot of words about GGG and GL, but that's not really probate worthy and I like both of those shows so...

I dunno.

See his post history in this thread for more details. Basically, the guy has major brain problems that are better suited to E/N than a thread on robot anime, refuses to seek treatment for them, and contrubutes nothing but wall-of-text threadshitting until he's eventually driven off.

There's a reason a number of forums have him as ban-on-sight.

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012

Clawshrimpy posted:

I think Macross pulled that off pretty well, though. It just portrayed the people fighting in the war as, you know, for a lack of a better term, as otherwise nice people having to do this.

For example, Roy (and later Hikaru) was a lot better to those under his command than Char ever was.

A key component of the 'war is hell' theme is how it breaks and compromises people. PTSD is a hell of a thing, and even simple stress can make you a real rear end in a top hat. That's discounting the bad choices it tends to force you into, as well.

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012

Clawshrimpy posted:

But even then, that's what I hate about the other Gundam shows that play that more straight. That it all comes down to the same factionist, confrontationalist war conflict, G Gundam just obscures that with a bunch of fighting anime tropes, if I'm understanding it right?

I don't know if that actually makes it any better than 0079 or Zeta.

... Huh? Break this down for me, you're a super robot fan who doesn't like warfare?

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012

Paper Lion posted:

Spiral Power has nothing to do with masculinity, and everything to do with progress. Spirals are infinite shapes, and their infinity is representative of the infinite potential of humanity if we apply ourselves sincerely to a cause, which is generally manifested onscreen via the protagonists applying themselves to winning in fights against opponents, though is also seen in other places (like the construction of Kamina City and the construction of a civilisation, for instance). The fact that you are inherently reading all of those things as masculine is your own lens being applied to the show, thus exposing you as a member of the patriarchy that feels only "masculine" energy can accomplish those noble deeds, and therefore we owe all of civilised society to men. Check your privilege, Shrimpy, women are people too.

On the other hand, big shiny drill dicks.

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012

NotALizardman posted:

lmao how can you watch any non-poo poo gundam series and think that

*zeon soldiers drop aid packages for refugees, are then brutally killed by amuro*

"those guys deserved it"

as opposed to

As I recall, those guys made it out alive even though their plane got shot down. It was pretty :unsmith:.

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012

TARDISman posted:

Even a precursory glance at Victory Gundam online should tell you that it's arguably the darkest Gundam series. Child soldiers everywhere, the planet's falling apart because of constant nukes and colony drops, and the Federation is straight up incapable of dealing with the Zanscare threat because of overall bureaucratic failure. TL;DR, it's UC Tomino Gundam, he's never done a happy story in that timeline, closest to a happy ending was 0079, even then you had a pretty high body count and most of the cast is wracked by PTSD.

Does Turn A count as UC? :v:

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012

wateyad posted:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QqW7lkSojq4

Pretty much the entire traditional Mazinger arsenal showed up in Happiness Charge and most of it was used by Cure Lovely. (I think the Rust Hurricane equivalent was just a thing Princess did once.) There was also that one time she did a Shining Finger.

I did not believe you about the Photon Beam and Breast Fire until I saw them for myself. She even has Scrander wings. :allears:

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012

Sakurazuka posted:

On the I they hand, everything else Kawamori has done more than robot designs for since 1997 has been bad.

Apart from Macross Frontier I guess.

Nobunaga the Fool didn't even have pretty mecha fight scenes, which is pretty much the most damning thing you can say about a robot show. It was especially disappointing coming off Frontier, where the fight choreography was goddamned exquisite.

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012
Now I'm curious about whether there are any giant robot shows that seriously address feminism and gender theory. Apart from Victory Gundam. :unsmigghh:

Hey, I said 'seriously', not 'competently'.

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012

Clawshrimpy posted:

But I think what makes GGG interesting as a story about AI and cybernetics is the fact because Guy and Renee are the only cyborgs (other than the possible argument J is one too.) it gives the idea of cybernetics more mistique and makes it more interesting as a story about AI and Cybernetics.

OK, so you prefer stories about the social impact of new technologies rather than how society would look once those technologies had become mainstream. How does society react to Guy, and how does he affect the world (other than by punching monsters that are going to destroy it)?

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012

Yosuke posted:

Without the gold armor, he is literally a transparent skeleton man.

Would you want to walk outside like that?

In other words, GaoGaiGar is a penetrating insight into the social stigma of being transhuman.

/clawshrimpy

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012

Clawshrimpy posted:

Then there was the bit in FINAL where Renee burns Mikoto's hand intentionally by shaking hands with her, but later Mikoto willingly burns her hand to take Renee's hand to save her.

Clearly, a better and more interesting exploration of the social possibilities and challenges presented by transhumanism than someone realising they can literally hack people's brains en masse to create the Nietzchean übermensch, or a persecuted refugee population attempting to escape by uploading their minds to the Internet because the real world won't accept them.

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012

Clawshrimpy posted:

I thought transhumanism was literally about things that aren't human (androids/cyborgs, aliens or genetic/experemental people, super AI) fitting into human society.

Transhumanism, as the name suggests, is about transcending human limitation. Aliens can't be transhuman because they're not a step away from humanity.

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012

Paper Lion posted:

No, transhumanism is about humans that modify their bodies with technological hardware not in isolated ways but on a societal level. It is entirely about the human experience and used to discuss themes of society, progress and evolution.

Technological hardware is a bit too narrow. Genetic enhancement and the like is also transhuman, and there's some dispute over whether sufficiently enthusiastic use of pharmaceuticals to enhance or alter your body counts as well.

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012

Broniki posted:

Thankfully the Mazinger story has been wrested from the filthy grip of Go Nagai and into the responsible hands of the writer/artist team who brought us Wolf Guy.

... how many chapters of nonstop rape have there been so far?

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012

Hbomberguy posted:

I will watch it and write long essays about how feminist it is

You're a louse, Hbomberguy.

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012

Sakurazuka posted:

I'm guessing all the lesbian subtext in the first season wasn't deliberate and someone noticed and told them to keep a lid on it.
Or it was just written by idiots.

With all the kissing in early S2, I'm betting on Option B.

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012

Who gave the cartels a loving Atlas?

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012

Midjack posted:

Who cares, they made a movie about it is the important thing.

I care. I wish to know precisely how much drug money is necessary to obtain a giant death-robot. It is relevant to my interests.

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012

Endorph posted:

she's the same age as alto

Yep. It's just that Zentraedi genetics mean you either end up loving huge or tiny, and she got the... uhh... short end of the stick.

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012

Endorph posted:

honestly without that she'd be a believable 16. some people are just short. idk why goons think short girl = 10 years old.

Well, she does behave pretty childishly as well, but then again, Alto has his paper plane hobby, sooo...

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Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012
Look, the guy has major brain problems, robot anime is what he hides in to avoid confronting them, and none of us have psychology degrees. Do not engage.

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