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The APU kind of Steamroller or the 8-core kind of Steamroller? I gave up waiting on Kaveri and switched from my 980 BE to an i7-3770K when it dawned on me how long they were going to take to cut and ship. Now I'll never know what it feels like to pack the next revolution of x86 computing into my gaming box.  e: Wishful thinking draws me to look for an 8350's 5.0 overclock performance review, but I haven't found one with a full complement of tests. Sidesaddle Cavalry fucked around with this message at 02:21 on Jun 12, 2013 |
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Doubling the number of decoders and going for High Density Library isn't going to make a big enough of a difference to keep up with the blue team, eh? As a layman, I figured something was terribly wrong last year when people were boasting THIRTY PERCENT INCREASE all over the place about the next generation and just had to jump ship.
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Please, AMD, please make me happy by releasing a 4-module/8-thread APU that knows how to Core Park and boosts its single-thread performance somehow with magical HSA. I secretly weep uncontrollably in my bed at night knowing that my machine is occupied by an Ivy Bridge that can actually make the most out of your 7970, AMD. Please do this for me.
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Yudo posted:HSA won't do much for single threaded performance as I understand it. It could potentially improve FP performance by offloading math to the graphics part of the APU. Some sort of "heterogeneous" architecture is the future, though depending on compilers has been a sucker's bet in the past. HSA is no EPIC, but the sinking of the Itanic is a cautionary note. Forgive my unbearable ignorance, but am I correct when I conject that games use a lot of floating points? And sorta. I have the double-whammy of having the unnecessarily high standard of minimum 60 FPS on my current 1080p setup and having a tendency to play really shittly-coded online games.  someday i will win the lottery and rob a bank and then i will be able to afford an overclocked korean ips monitor and another 7970 and then i will win at every game because i deserve it
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Jun 22, 2013 19:47
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AMD CPU and Platform Discussion: Better Luck Next Platform
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I think more than a few of us are in with you on this one. I tried to stay on the bright side by focusing on AMD's price/performance ratio, but with certain retailers and my budding ability to actually shop for a deal
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Mad_Lion posted:I am planning a long overdue CPU/MOBO/RAM overhaul around tax return time (February). I was hoping that steamroller FX would be out by then, because it's possible that it would be quite competitive with Haswell. Unfortunately, I think it's been delayed until 3rd or 4th quarter 2014, and that just won't fly. I hate having no option but Haswell. My first custom build was an Athlon Thunderbird 1.4ghz, and at the time, that was pretty much the fastest x86 processor on the planet earth. It screamed with 512MB DDR and a Radeon 8500. I was topping leaderboards in Folding@home, too. I still use AMD GPUs, but I'd really love an all AMD system again. I really wouldn't trust anything that didn't come verbatim out of an AMD timetable if I were you. There's nothing out there besides rumors for when the next FX-series will be baked. We only have the chart with Steamroller APUs being slated for the end of -this- year, with no specific SKUs in sight--who knows, AMD might consider an APU with more than two modules/four threads on the CPU side?
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Looks like the few reviewers who tried overclocking the thing have yet to keep it stable at anything above the theorhetical Turbo Core speed at constant frequency too, confirming that there's most likely nothing that's been done to these chips aside from binning and QC. One wonders how lucky he or she can get with attempting a 5-GHz overclock on an FX-9370 instead and whether or not it'd be worth the extra 150 USD over an 8350. Probably not, with the binning 
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Hardware Canucks also did a review of the processor and has a page where they worked it with Turbo Core disabled at 5.0 GHz. It ran CineBench faster than a stock 4770K, but they were less than confident about both stability and the general outlook of motherboards that can supply the right amount of power to the massive needs it has. edit:  Looks like Kaveri's being pushed to 2014 after all, with additional nomenclature for other APU applications and their successors. Roadmap likely to come as the year draws towards its end.
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If it puts things even more in perspective for you any, Krzanich says Intel is on track to start production on 14nm fab by the end of the year, so they'll be tinkering with that process next year while AMD is at Globalfoundries' whim on whenever they think they have enough 28nm Steamrollers. But that's kind of off-topic, I'd rather not derail into David vs. Goliath company comparison again. Still, if AMD wants to test the future of ten-months-from-now they're going to need to time their releases of any of their new chips really well to avoid getting blindsided by Haswell Refresh releases and their prices. Not that I'd want another rushed Bulldozer, though.
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Rockopolis posted:Crusader Kings II, Total War, ArtRage, nothing too demanding, I think. I may or may not have my eye on more demanding games, but they're not a huge concern. I should probably post this over in PC Building, though. AMD has this list but it's only got Trinity APUs! There's also this article about upcoming Richland laptops being (surprisingly) compatible with GCN-based mobile graphics cards but that's all I've found. edit: Alereon posted:Don't consider this an option, it doesn't work well at all. Put in a videocard that is good enough to meet your needs on its own and don't worry about it. Definitely this, but to go off on a different tangent than the question, it is providing the cheapest solution for having anywhere near decent quantities of shaders in a bottom-of-the-barrel laptop. Sidesaddle Cavalry fucked around with this message at 00:49 on Aug 3, 2013 |
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Those power delivery systems on Gigabyte's recently announced boards for the A88X platform look awfully excessive for 2M/4T Steamroller APUs  ok that's just wishful thinking, i'm sorry
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Oh boy, they sure showed up Intel on their own turf! 
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This is a thing with slides on Kaveri's paper launch. Two A10s and one A8 in February. Various reports of just how much performance (IPC, HPC, whatever) improves are still...all over the place.
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Mahi mahi, the quality of this thread has taken an unexpected dive. I hope this codforsaken mess doesn't salmon the attention of a moderator. I hear they can dunk posts into the deepest chambers of the forums.
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Well, at least the new Warsaw server line will be staying with 12 or 16 pure Piledriver threads, none of that pesky on-die graphics nonsense there. 
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Inserting typical  speculative reaction: Theorhetical motherboard with built-in GDDR5 + Kaveri + Mantle + SteamOS + FreeSync = 
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Agreed posted:This is pretty much the same strategy they did leading up to Bulldozer, pretending to be a much bigger company than they actually are and spending accordingly, while forgetting somehow that as always they're up against Intel, a company so willing to gently caress you up that it doesn't even matter if you've got a better product (like, I dunno, an integrated modem), they'll sell a package that costs them more just so that it competes, for a lower price, and "insist" via back channels that vendors go with their version because of course they will they're the apex predator right now. Not even patents work against them. Your good ideas are jack poo poo to their huge piles of money and cutthroat tactics. This is a very depressing post. Is there no hope in persuading the
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Non-doom-and-gloom APU news, yes! I guess we have to wait 'til these hit the market to see how much of a difference they make in usefulness-to-dollar ratio.
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I'd also like to throw my hat into the ring of "too many words, but basking in the exchange between professionals like the smarmy superficial gamer I am".
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Lord Windy posted:I've got what feels like an ancient Phenom II 840 What do you run on your computer? Right now the most rational answer is to drop your AM3+ mobo like a rock and get a Pentium G3258 CPU+board combo from Micro Center and overclock the daylights out of it. Immediate boost to most things most people do, plus it won't even cost as much as an octo-"core" FX-anything.
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Please follow the poster above, he is saying what I want to say but better and more relevant to you
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Ladies and gentlemen, it's time to get your futile hopes up again. http://wccftech.com/breaking-amds-gen-x86-high-performance-core-code-named-zen-debut-k12/ Beware the possibly terrible WCCF interpretation, but the original German stuff from Rory Read is kosher. Early 2016, gotta love wishful planning! Shooting for a duality between x86 (Zen) and ARM (K12) sounds like a bit of a compromise. Okay, more like a huge compromise. An F-35 Lightning II kind of compromise. e: oh god also avoid the comment section of that article, help Sidesaddle Cavalry fucked around with this message at 03:31 on Sep 11, 2014 |
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I think I used the wrong association. I'm simply more concerned about the ambition of managing two different projects to meet two different goals in the same timeframe. Goodness knows they could do better with a single success than with two not-so-successes.
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Twerk from Home posted:I'm not saying it would compare favorably with Haswells, I think it would compare with the quad core Bay Trail Atoms that go in Windows tablets, netbooks, and small computers. The Z3740 and other similar processors. This could be a way towards extreme battery life. Are Macbooks Airs really that expensive? My wife got a 2014 13" MBA for $750 a couple months ago, it was cheaper than any comparable windows devices we could find. Sidesaddle Cavalry fucked around with this message at 20:17 on Dec 29, 2014 |
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To stop the derail, the fact is that Apple doesn't vertically control the process to make processors for ~all~ potential markets from design to fabrication like Intel does. You might as well have said Samsung could compete instead and that would have been a better response--those guys actually work their own silicon for multiple projects. Edit: these days there's no distinction between laptop and tablet aside from keyboard not sold separately. Windows PCs with full-on versions of the desktop OS, using those Bay Trails you mentioned, cost downwards of $150 (and that's just straight up retail). Sidesaddle Cavalry fucked around with this message at 20:29 on Dec 29, 2014 |
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Twerk from Home posted:so I guess they aren't technically a chip manufacturer either. Someone in the thread spoke to the amount of "resources" companies had to do things re: Intel and then this happened.
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Menacer posted:This breakdown is pure pedantry. It doesn't say anything towards your original point, which was (I believe) that Apple is incapable of producing chips for markets above tablets. Wait, they aren't? I didn't know that. My original point was that applesux and intel literally roolz I like OS X from a helpdesk perspective in that Average Jane/Joe doesn't have to learn how/why the OS works in certain ways to use it without loving up edit: it doesn't take a brain to post, baby! Ham it up! Sidesaddle Cavalry fucked around with this message at 22:12 on Dec 29, 2014 |
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Lord Windy posted:Maybe Zen will be super fantastic and solve all problems forever and ever. I'd like that.
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El Scotch posted:I'd be delighted if Zen provided an Intel alternative that you wouldn't feel compelled to make excuses for buying.
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The most interesting part I think is that all socketed desktop chips look like they're returning to a single platform, FM3.
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Sidesaddle Cavalry posted:The most interesting part I think is that all socketed desktop chips look like they're returning to a single platform, FM3. In which I got totally wrecked by a fake presentation slide the other day and the single platform is actually called AM4. 40% IPC increase over Excavator. Isn't that only going to bring it up to parity with Haswell?
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It's very arbitrary, I know. We don't even have Excavator cores on market yet and I assumed only a very small increase over Steamroller.
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Krailor posted:drat it! We forgot to look for the elusive 3) willing to pay a lot for a processor. let me work up my college dorm redditor voice and let you know that amd is already at step 3 bro, it's established itself as the vaaaaaaalue-oriented alternative
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Why does this article feel weird to read? Isn't doubling the number of floating point units and bringing in SMT just part of bringing things back to normal a.k.a. not-Bulldozer? Some of the rhetoric is hamming things up a little hard.
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PC LOAD LETTER posted:Features like SMT have been around in one form or another for a while in consumer x86 CPU's so maybe you're taking them for granted? This is probably the case; I am often the victim of special branding of features i.e. hyperthreading that get me curious about them, under the illusion that it's unique.
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CommieGIR posted:I'm a little confused here. Why are we measuring FPS for the CPUs? Why aren't we? IIRC that DX9 graph was populated using the same GPU setup with each of those processors. Higher FPS means the CPU is dealing with driver overhead and other issues more quickly, giving the GPU setup less downtime and smoother gameplay.
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Jim Keller landed in Tesla working on self-driving cars.
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HalloKitty posted:That still works as a Windows 10 licence. Even Windows 7 keys are reportedly still being accepted. I did this exact thing with my win8.1 key, don't let doomposters keep you away from whichever hardware you would like
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