Search Amazon.com:
Register a SA Forums Account here!
JOINING THE SA FORUMS WILL REMOVE THIS BIG AD, THE ANNOYING UNDERLINED ADS, AND STUPID INTERSTITIAL ADS!!!

You can: log in, read the tech support FAQ, or request your lost password. This dumb message (and those ads) will appear on every screen until you register! Get rid of this crap by registering your own SA Forums Account and joining roughly 150,000 Goons, for the one-time price of $9.95! We charge money because it costs us $3,400 per month for bandwidth bills alone, and since we don't believe in shoving popup ads to our registered users, we try to make the money back through forum registrations.
«20 »
  • Post
  • Reply
Flatland Crusoe
Jan 12, 2011


So I have been lurking TFR for quite some time and posted under a different username until my school decided to change their email server and lose all of my info. Fast forward a little while and I’m out of school living in the garden of Eden that is north central, IL out in the working world. So I thought I would start out my new account with a box thread containing no real boxes. I’m by no means new to firearms as are so many new TFR members, I’m something closer to what TFR would call a Fudd. I would say that I’m fairly savvy in my purchases and I have a lot of trigger time behind plenty of guns to have my own opinions. So here is my collection entirely with action shots because my point and shoot is dead and few of my guns are special enough to point out roll marks or stampings.




First off is my favorite gun of all time, it has been my baby for a long time and always will be my favorite. It’s a Beretta AL390 Silver Mallard youth model, this gun has taken nearly everything with wings that roams the Midwest over the 12 years that I have had it. It is a youth model technically, but thanks to those wacky European geometries it has a 13.5” LOP, nearly an inch longer than its American youth counterparts. It has a 20” inch barrel but it feels so incredibly balanced that by no means does it feel like a riot gun even for myself at 5’ 11”. It has the versatility to shoot 2 ¾ and 3” shells and has no issue cycling anything you throw at it. I have only had 3 jams in the many thousands of rounds it has seen over the last decade, all of which were my error or clearly bad ammunition. It hates aftermarket chokes but has had the same truglo gobble dot front sight with no issue for all its life, that’s about 5 times the length my other guns go without breaking fiber optics. This gun is just flat out nasty with Winchester Supreme turkey loads and I have killed 3 birds past 30 yards with that combo. Simply said, this gun is nearly perfect in anyway. It’s a 6.5 lb gun with virtually no recoil thanks to its gas operation, perfectly balanced with a natural line of sight that I haven’t seen on any other semi-auto. My only regret is that it is just too pretty to drag out on a sandbar or throw in the bottom of a layout boat. And that’s why I got this ugly bastard.




Its my Mossberg 500 12 gauge in woodland camo with a 24” barrel. Mossbergs are the only guns that rattle when they are brand new. I guess 50 years ago some engineer thought stamped aluminum was as cool as I think carbon fiber is now and decided to mass produce a gun with a receiver made out of it, he must have just used all of his budget on R&D because he was left using a dowel rod with 2 O-Rings as a plug. The Mossberg is loud with its ported 24” barrel and points with about as much grace as a fence post. It kicks like a mule, lacks the refinement of its arch nemesis the Remington 870 and its one of the few guns that looks even worse with a wood stock than a synthetic one. Also its magazine tube comes Loctited to the receiver from the factory because the average person who buys a 500 can’t dissemble tube with 3 moving parts in it, but can somehow can detail strip the action. This gun will leave you the laughing stock of any sporting clays club and no one will want to shoot with you because the thing is so drat loud and if you were to beat them with their Italian over and under, they would never be able to show themselves in the club house ever again. That said this gun does a few things really well, the controls of the action release and safety are well placed and easy to manipulate with heavy gloves. Its loving cheap and the barrels don’t cost that much. It has a massive aftermarket and it’s about 2 lbs lighter than most Remingtons of the same size. This thing levels turkeys with its extended factory extra-full choke and pushes Hevi-shot better than any gun I have ever shot. After shooting a couple of birds with this gun at 35-40 yards, one in brush, I have just set the gun down and stood in awe of its unrefined, brutish power. This thing is one of the best turkey guns on the market, only second best to its big brother the 835 and the light anti-aircraft gun that is the Remington SP-10. It packs easy all day and throws lead or tungsten at a price Joe the plumb can afford. Props to Remington for cranking out the 870 Wingmaster with its beautiful wood and simplified dissambly, but Mossberg built a gun for their target market. They built a gun that could rattle around in a truck all day, and still make more noise than a Flowmaster when you pull the trigger.



My final scattergun is a Winchester Model 50 20 Gauge manufactured sometime between 1958 and 1961, aka pre ’64 Winchester. This gun originally had a full choked 28 inch barrel; it was professionally cut down to a 20” barrel with a fixed cylinder choke for quail hunting during the small game heyday that was the 1960’s. This gun was originally bought for me because of its smaller size and heavier weight in an era that wasn’t blessed with youth models in every imaginable gun. It only spent a year or so as my primary gun before being replaced by the removable choked 3” Beretta that I love so. That said this gun is excellent as a dove or clay gun. Its heavier weight absorbs more recoil and it feels really good. This gun has been used for mostly target shooting with new or young shooters. That said this gun was really ahead of its time with a non-recoiling barrel and features similar to most modern autoloaders. It was designed in the era of the Browning A-5 and Remington 11-48 before gas operated shotguns existed, it is a solid gun. Unfortunately its fixed choke and small chamber limited its use as a hunting gun.



Now on to rifles, you gotta be nice on this next one because it’s a bit of an abortion, that somehow manages to keep me smiling. This is my Enfield No.5 MkI Jungle Carbine, but unfortunately bubba got a hold of this one before me. It was manufactured in February, 1945 and has a 68,000 serial number with matching numbers. This gun had been in my parents’ basement for years before I really got a good look at it about 6 years ago. We were always bird hunters and rifles never had a lot of use to us since we didn’t deer hunt. That changed about 6 years ago during my freshman year of college when I spent some time working on this gun. When I got it, the front sight hood had been ground off and the top of the forend was removed and missing the band. Its original recoil pad had rotten away to virtually nothing and the metal was rusted and pitted up to the hand guard. So I option for an Advanced Technologies synthetic stock because it was cheap and I didn’t know Boyds made a sporter for it. I quickly realized that the rifle kicked hard with a plastic butt plate and I fitted a Sims Vibrations labs recoil pad with a Dremel to it and never looked back. By this point I had created the ultimate bubbafied deer huntin’ carbine and I didn’t even know it. So shoot me, I defiled a gun that was already messed up by adding cheap plastic parts, cold blue and raping its soul with a dremel multitool. That said, if you shoot this gun it will only make you smile. Fire flies out the end of the barrel during the day and you should have a No. 11 welding mask on to shoot it at night. It doesn’t really like feeding softpoint ammo if you don’t set the rims ahead of the previous round and it is definitely possible to knock the front sight out of alignment. The recoil and noise inspires the potential for a nasty flinch and I just don’t shoot well with peep sights all that well because I was raised on buckhorn style sights. That said the larger night peep sight is basically a ghost ring sight and it works marvelously for hunting in timber and low light. I love the speed of the cock of close action and the obscenely large 10 round magazine. I don’t think I have a heavier rifle to carry through the woods, but this gun somehow has a special place in my heart after I have taken 3 deer with it. All have fallen quickly and I have been able to put 2 rounds in some when they were dead on their feet thanks to the quick action and no scope to interfere with cycling the action. My dad thinks the gun is just loud and all my friends all like shooting it for some reason or another. I know the Enfield action has some issues and the safety isn’t really in a good spot, but for some reason this gun just gets the job done. It isn’t for precision work and it isn’t pretty, but it will always be in deer camp.



My next rifle is a TFR favorite in some form or another. It’s my Remington 700 SPS DM in .243 Winchester. I just bought this rifle about 2 months ago as it was a missing hole in my arsenal for a long time. I went with .243 because I just don’t like getting my rear end kicked by scoped rifles, and wanted something with a flat trajectory for a possible antelope hunt. I bought the rifle as a combo from Cabelas with a 4-12x40 Scope and have been mostly satisfied with the results. It has the X-Mark trigger which is good because my dad thinks Remingtons are death traps after the special report about accidental discharges of the model. That said the X-Mark trigger is only so so even after backing the set screw way out to around 3 lbs so it will soon be replaced by a Timney trigger. The glass is mediocre and has too much magnification for the optic size. That said neither of these issues hindered my ability to consistently shoot anything I wanted to hit so far. After shooting my Enfield a lot, the cock on open bolt is slow and the lack of force required to close it seems unusual. The stock is a noodle, but the gun still shoots better than I can and it will probably see a Bell and Carlson stock next year. Also this gun will see a Leopold VX-II 3-9x40 sometime before next deer season. Shown in the picture is my Missouri 8 point from this year taken at 70 yards with a Hornady SST 95 gr bullet. The shoot was a perfect broadside lower heart shot, but the SST bullet expanded fast and blew a hole 1.5” wide on the inside of the rib cage before entering the heart and stopping somewhere in the body cavity. The deer made it 200 yards before stopping, but I found him with no issue. I just starting to reload for this gun and mean to upgrade it a lot.

My last piece is my Sig 226R with SigLite night sights, you all know what they look like. I bought this gun this fall after knowing that I hated Glock 17’s because of their funky grip angle and my tendency to limp wrist them. So I bought a SA/DA alloy framed gun because I know that cheap guns are functional, but not usually that ergonomic or well finished. I shoot this pistol pretty well considering my handgun experience, but I tend to shoot low and I’m working on that by practicing with snap caps. I wish I could upgrade it to an E2 and if the parts ever become available in the US I probably will because the trigger is a little further than I would like. I may also upgrade to the short trigger option. I need to get a better out in the woods holster because my cheap drop leg is soft enough to eject magazines while walking sometimes. Carry isn’t an issue since I moved to IL, FML.

So if there are any goons in the Kankakee/Chicago area PM me and we can go shoot. I currently just shoot in Indiana at Willow Slough CA, but I may join the X-Line shooting club or the Illinois Rifle Association range should I get spendy. We can also use my trap thrower at Kankakee state park. Any input on area ranges is appreciated. I must say TFR is a great board that represents all that the next generation of shooter should embrace. The idea that all gun owners are old creepy fat rednecks needs to be broken if sport shooting is too continue for years to come.

Fixed it for you

Flatland Crusoe fucked around with this message at Jan 12, 2011 around 04:52

Adbot
ADBOT LOVES YOU

Craptacular
Jul 11, 2004

I have the 50th and Final Pony Av!

You need to link to the actual picture, not to a page that has the picture in it.

mlmp08
Jul 11, 2004



Is that girl wearing an Army issue fleece?

BarkingSquirrel
Sep 12, 2008



Craptacular posted:

You need to link to the actual picture, not to a page that has the picture in it.

Well, he said he was a fudd and fudds don't know how to interwebs.

Naramyth
Jan 22, 2009

Your post is bad and you should feel bad.


Use [img]*copy/paste your link here*[/img]

nice huntin raphles

e: /\/\/\/\/\ bunnielab gets along quite well

Flatland Crusoe
Jan 12, 2011


mlmp08 posted:

Is that girl wearing an Army issue fleece?

Not quite, pretty sure it is your run of the mill North Face/Columbia.

Craptacular
Jul 11, 2004

I have the 50th and Final Pony Av!

Flatland Crusoe posted:

I’m something closer to what TFR would call a Fudd

Let me explain what a Fudd is, since people often seem to incorrectly understand the definition of this pejorative. A Fudd is not just someone who only owns and likes firearms with wood stocks and engravings of the animals that the gun will be used to kill. A Fudd is someone who does that and throws other gun owners under the bus by not opposing firearms restrictions that aren't hunting-related, or even worse, actively working for those restrictions.

If you only interested in hunting and guns for hunting, more power to you. It's the selling out other gun owners that's the problem, so I don't think calling yourself a Fudd will endear yourself with too many people here.

Flatland Crusoe
Jan 12, 2011


Well given your definition of Fudd I wouldn't qualify. A lot of people in my family would fall under this definition, but I have no problems with AR15's and AK's or 30 round magazines. I have shot my share of black rifles and enjoy it, but see little value in buying a gun that I can't hunt with. Basically I have no problem spending $1800 on an over and under, but had a hard time justifying the $6xx i paid for my Sig 226.

My point was that I'm not a complete newbie to the shooting game, I just have a hunting driven background.

thermobollocks
Jul 5, 2009

GET A DILLON

Plenty of TFR posters have some Fudd-likeslightly more traditional tendencies; you'll be just fine. It's good to see the appreciation for workmanship.

Flatland Crusoe posted:

I have shot my share of black rifles and enjoy it, but see little value in buying a gun that I can't hunt with. Basically I have no problem spending $1800 on an over and under, but had a hard time justifying the $6xx i paid for my Sig 226.

Problem solved!

Flatland Crusoe
Jan 12, 2011


thermobollocks posted:

Problem solved!

Unfortunately I got my fill of huge caliber guns in my younger days as my dad hunted almost exclusively with a 10 gauge for years. My ears are still ringing.

Also I think stainless is tacky, probably saw too many Beretta 92 Inox's on TV.

kwantam
Mar 25, 2008

-=kwantam


Nice guns.

You can send your P226 to Sig and they'll convert it to E2 for you. I believe the upgrade includes the short reset trigger as well, and costs something like $150.

http://www.sigsauerguns.com/product...-now-available/

Also, it's good to see that you're using the Enfield, even if it's in somewhat modified form. If you want to return it to original form, you can get the requisite stock parts from Numrich.

charliebravo77
Jun 11, 2003



Hi, I think it's mandatory that we are now friends.

I live in Naperville and desperately need somewhere to hunt and shoot

Professor Awesome
Jan 16, 2005

'sup gordon

Yeah there's nothing wrong with liking hunting guns as they're usually functional, rugged, and very well made. We're all cool as long as you aren't like YEAH WELL I DON'T SEE WHAT YOU NEED THAT THAR M-16 FER, THATS A GOLDURN ARMY WEAPON ONLY FER KILLIN PEOPLE *buys a half dozen wood-stocked sniper rifles*

Anyway if you want to correct your pistol technique make sure you're employing proper grip then print up a bunch of these:




If you want to help justify the purchase of the Sig, you might want to look into getting into a ISPC/USPSA/IDPA type competitions, poo poo's awesome. I think charliebravo77 is kinda into it and he's somewhere in your neck of the woods

Professor Awesome fucked around with this message at Jan 12, 2011 around 19:28

BigRed
Mar 20, 2003


I live down here in Carbondale on the other side of the state. Do you guys get a rifle season on deer up there? I have never been hunting but I was under the impression that it's bow, pistols, shotguns, and black powder only. My dream of dropping a deer with my 91/30 or K31 without setting foot in Missouri may yet be realized.

Edit: Or do you just hunt in Indiana?

BigRed fucked around with this message at Jan 12, 2011 around 19:37

charliebravo77
Jun 11, 2003



BigRed posted:

I live down here in Carbondale on the other side of the state. Do you guys get a rifle season on deer up there? I have never been hunting but I was under the impression that it's bow, pistols, shotguns, and black powder only. My dream of dropping a deer with my 91/30 or K31 without setting foot in Missouri may yet be realized.

Edit: Or do you just hunt in Indiana?

Statewide restrictions are bow, pistol, shotgun and black powder for deer. For coyote and some other game there are no regulations on firearm type and caliber. However, most state land is restricted to bow and shotgun, or .22 but that's less common. You could go to WI or MI in addition to Missouri and Indiana if you wanted to rifle deer hunt. Me, I'd settle for anything but public land is so hard to get a tag for, I don't want to pay out the rear end for a lease or guided hunt, and I know nobody with land

DJExile
Jun 27, 2007



I have heard for a while that .243 is a neat little round and I need to try it sometime.

Also I spend a lot of my summer in Culver, Indiana and if you're out this way then lets go find somewhere to shoot poo poo.

EDIT: Come to the Yooper shoot!

DJExile fucked around with this message at Jan 12, 2011 around 20:32

Flatland Crusoe
Jan 12, 2011


BigRed posted:

I live down here in Carbondale on the other side of the state. Do you guys get a rifle season on deer up there? I have never been hunting but I was under the impression that it's bow, pistols, shotguns, and black powder only. My dream of dropping a deer with my 91/30 or K31 without setting foot in Missouri may yet be realized.

Edit: Or do you just hunt in Indiana?

I deer hunt in Missouri with a rifle and bow hunt in Illinois. Shotgun deer hunting in IL seems quite nearly impossible without family land or tons of $$$. A word to the wise, don't ever firearms deer hunt on public land anywhere in the midwest. Even public land bow hunting in IL seems crowded compared to Missouri.

I thought about the converting the Enfield back to its proper military configuration,but honestly its taken on a life of its own as a hack job sporter rifle. Also the thought of shooting that gun again without a hefty recoil pad makes me cringe, almost as much as the ammo bill for it. (need reloading dies for it)

charliebravo77 we need to meet up, you just missed out of the end of Pheasant season so its sport shooting until April.

Flatland Crusoe fucked around with this message at Jan 13, 2011 around 00:53

Pursus
Nov 27, 2007

Hook on!


Flatland Crusoe posted:

My last piece is my Sig 226R with SigLite night sights, you all know what they look like. I bought this gun this fall after knowing that I hated Glock 17’s because of their funky grip angle and my tendency to limp wrist them. So I bought a SA/DA alloy framed gun because I know that cheap guns are functional, but not usually that ergonomic or well finished. I shoot this pistol pretty well considering my handgun experience, but I tend to shoot low and I’m working on that by practicing with snap caps. I wish I could upgrade it to an E2 and if the parts ever become available in the US I probably will because the trigger is a little further than I would like. I may also upgrade to the short trigger option. I need to get a better out in the woods holster because my cheap drop leg is soft enough to eject magazines while walking sometimes. Carry isn’t an issue since I moved to IL, FML.

I'd suggest trying the short trigger first. They are like $20 and you can easily install it yourself. Usually that is enough for people with smaller hands (and it leaves you open to get wood grips).

Usually when someone shoots a low with a pistol it's because they are anticipating the recoil and pushing the gun forward as they pull the trigger. Mixing in a few snap caps with your live mags at the range will really illustrate this. Also, be sure to squeeze with your support hand, not your firing hand.

charliebravo77
Jun 11, 2003



Flatland Crusoe posted:

charliebravo77 we need to meet up, you just missed out of the end of Pheasant season so its sport shooting until April.

Definitely. There's a nice trap range in Naperville that I want to start going to pretty regularly, but it's a bit of a drive if you're in Kankakee. I'm more of a pistol and rifle shooter than shotgun, but it can't hurt to shoot more of anything.

http://napervillesportsmansclub.org/

I usually shoot in Kingsbury, IN at the DNR range there, but the Willow Slough looks like it's the same distance from here.

Lunchboxx
Jun 19, 2004

His name is Head. Dick Head.


charliebravo77 posted:

Definitely. There's a nice trap range in Naperville that I want to start going to pretty regularly, but it's a bit of a drive if you're in Kankakee. I'm more of a pistol and rifle shooter than shotgun, but it can't hurt to shoot more of anything.

http://napervillesportsmansclub.org/

I usually shoot in Kingsbury, IN at the DNR range there, but the Willow Slough looks like it's the same distance from here.

If you haven't been to that trap range, I'd definitely suggest it. I've been down there a few times and while it is really nice and all, the drive kills it for me. Well, that and the hoops you have to jump through to get a membership. I actually ended up at the McHenry Sportsman's Club (http://www.mchenry-sc.org/) for trap shooting, but that is probably much more north than we are talking about here.

Still, if you guys are going to meet up, I would gladly bring myself and at least one other goon for some trap shooting.

charliebravo77
Jun 11, 2003



Lunchboxx posted:

If you haven't been to that trap range, I'd definitely suggest it. I've been down there a few times and while it is really nice and all, the drive kills it for me. Well, that and the hoops you have to jump through to get a membership. I actually ended up at the McHenry Sportsman's Club (http://www.mchenry-sc.org/) for trap shooting, but that is probably much more north than we are talking about here.

Still, if you guys are going to meet up, I would gladly bring myself and at least one other goon for some trap shooting.

I went there once back in November, it's a nice place and still pretty to cheap to shoot at even if you aren't a member. I haven't had the time to go back since, but once it warms up a tiny bit I'll probably try to go at least once a month since I live like 10 minutes from it.

Cluricaun
Jul 31, 2009

Bang.


I grew up in Naperville and I've shot the Sportsman's Club a few times in my day. It's a nice facility, small, but nice. Not a bad place to catch a glimpse of some really spendy O/U guns too, being Naperville and all. They used to have a full range there where the Naperville Police department used to regularly whomp rear end on the surrounding departments back in the day, but it was finished the night someone decided to try and shoot beer bottles off the top of the berm.

I'm just happy it's still there considering where it is in proximity to the down town area and what could happen the minute that the Ex-marine mayor is out of office....

Flatland Crusoe
Jan 12, 2011


I don't really have an issue driving an hour or two to shoot/hunt, its just a reality that I accepted years ago. That said I haven't shot much trap, but I can say that sporting clays or five stand tend to be far more fun than skeet. A lot of places just don't have the space for 15-20 different shooting stations on a sporting clays course. 5 stand is probably my favorite shooting game, its just mini sporting clays that moves quickly and is shot in blocks of 25 instead of 50 or 100. It allows you to warm up (especially for sporting clays) and reset the counter at 0 every 25 targets. This insures that most days you have at least one good round.

My hierarchy of shotgun sports:

Sporting Clays > Trap > Skeet > Hand Thrown Clays > Fishing

There are 2 types of shooting ranges I desperately want to go to: 300+ Yard Rifle Range and 3D Archery. Why can't shooting ranges be like Walmart and be a one stop operation.

Finally people in Illinois really like Shooting Clubs, why can't people just get along and not require you know 3 good old boys to join up. Its really annoying when you are from out of town and don't know anyone or anywhere to shoot.

charliebravo77
Jun 11, 2003



There's a really great range in Waterman that has EVERYTHING but it costs like $600 to join and you have to be sponsored by someone

Cluricaun
Jul 31, 2009

Bang.


charliebravo77 posted:

There's a really great range in Waterman that has EVERYTHING but it costs like $600 to join and you have to be sponsored by someone

Most ranges are hurtin for members that are young enough to put in work hours that don't consist of standing still and not dying. I've been to two open houses at clubs so far (Elgin and Aurora) and every time I've been not only invited but nearly hustled into joining. The sponsorship ain't real hard to get. Waterman's on the list for the spring, as is Kankakee.

SouthsideSaint
Sep 6, 2009


Howdy fellow illinoisians I was wondering if anyone has been to this range It seems it would be a little fudd like but i need a rifle range that isnt and indoor highway robberry. Im looking at you Maxons shooters supply

charliebravo77
Jun 11, 2003



SouthsideSaint posted:

Howdy fellow illinoisians I was wondering if anyone has been to this range It seems it would be a little fudd like but i need a rifle range that isnt and indoor highway robberry. Im looking at you Maxons shooters supply

I refuse to go there solely due to their "no photography" rule, which when I inquired about was only answered with "Safety and Security !" Granted, I asked a simple question and got a simple answer, but come on.

It's also pretty expensive, considering I can drive roughly the same time and distance to go here http://www.in.gov/dnr/fishwild/3089.htm#range for only $4/day. The Kingsbury Range is also a much nicer facility.

Lunchboxx
Jun 19, 2004

His name is Head. Dick Head.


I haven't been there either, but I keep trying to plan something with some friends. About the only appealing thing they have for us is the plinking pit, because shooting at miscellaneous stuff is supposedly pretty fun. I guess it's good to hear that our assumptions that it didn't seem that great were relatively true.

For long range rifle stuff, I usually end up at McMiller up in Eagle, Wisconsin. http://www.mcmillershootingcenter.com/ I like it quite a bit, it is big, clean, and has 100, 200, and 300 yard lanes, as well as the expected 25 and 50 and whatever in between. However, if you're as far south as everyone else in the thread, the drive might be too much. I'm right at 90 & 53 and I still only make it out there maybe three or four times a year due mostly to the long drive.

SouthsideSaint
Sep 6, 2009


Yeah i live by Ohare so that Wisconsin range would work out well. I also have family up there so i am sure i could plan it out to be a daylong shooting. And i would totally be up for a shoot n meet at the Indiana range. I have never been there. I have directions to there but once you get off the highway the directions i have been given are kinda wishy washy and i have not gone do to fear of getting lost in Indiana!!!

Edit: i just looked at that website for McMiller and aparently i can shoot dinosaurs with a bow. Please let this be true and not some clever marketing trick.

incredibull
Sep 7, 2008

GENERIC

Are all of your deer in Illinois the size of domestic dogs?

DJExile
Jun 27, 2007



incredibull posted:

Are all of your deer in Illinois the size of domestic dogs?

Come over to Ohio, our deer are goddamned enormous thanks to soybean crops

Flatland Crusoe
Jan 12, 2011


incredibull posted:

Are all of your deer in Illinois the size of domestic dogs?

That tiny button buck is the product of southern Missouri National Forest land. There are no row crops down there, just rocks and really scrubby timber. Also that deer was shot on public land so there is no passing on anything brown, that place is like World War 3 during rifle season.

Illinois deer and Missouri deer north of I-70 or so are pretty big on the whole. All are corn fed and heavily populated, aka 7 possible bonus tags for antlerless deer in Missouri.

Uncle Caveman
Jun 16, 2006



If you want to shoot all the Whitetail you can handle, come to the East coast. We're infested with the drat things.

Alarbus
Mar 31, 2010


Pursus posted:

I'd suggest trying the short trigger first. They are like $20 and you can easily install it yourself. Usually that is enough for people with smaller hands (and it leaves you open to get wood grips).


The short trigger is pretty easy to install, the short reset trigger is more complicated and you may want to have a gunsmith do it. Some of the aluminum grips and wood Nills grips are thinner than stock plastic, so that may help too, though they're a good deal more expensive than the short trigger. SIG's OEM wood grips are much thicker than stock and would be counterproductive.

They had a special at SIG's website for installing combination packages of short trigger, short reset and E2 grips. It may not be widely available as a do it yourself option, but they're starting to make it available at the factory.

Cyrano4747
Sep 25, 2006

American planes, full of holes and wounded men, took off backwards from an airfield in England. Over France, a few German fighter planes flew at them backwards, sucked bullets and shell fragments from some of the planes and crewmen. They did the same for wrecked American bombers on the ground.

Uncle Caveman posted:

If you want to shoot all the Whitetail you can handle, come to the East coast. We're infested with the drat things.

loving truth. My in-laws live in a neighborhood where there is a major freak-out about them. On the one side you have the HoA and everyone who has gardens and plants that they actually maintain, because the exploding whitetail population is ripping the gently caress out of all the vegetation around there, plus a bunch of pissed off people who have hit them while driving at dawn/dusk. The development is on unincorporated land (just barely) so they wouldn't even need any special licensing or whatever to get a out of season cull initiated, just alert fish and game and get them to OK it based on local population levels. They've been seriously discussing doing this and getting in a few "experienced hunters" to take things down to sane levels.

Of course, on the other hand you have a whole bunch of suburban soccer moms who are up in arms about "shooting those cute deer!" and how they don't want "Bambi being shot down in front of my kids!" There is also a segment that is (significantly more justifiably in my opinion) worried about the potential for errant rifle rounds going through nearby houses, although apparently there's a neighboring patch of undeveloped woods that they could pretty much hunt clean, giving the animals room to spread out into places that aren't back yards.

winnydpu
May 3, 2007


SouthsideSaint posted:

Howdy fellow illinoisians I was wondering if anyone has been to this range It seems it would be a little fudd like but i need a rifle range that isnt and indoor highway robberry. Im looking at you Maxons shooters supply

Buffalo Range is my main rifle range, even though it is a pretty long drive from Chicagoland. It is not really a fudd type place, the plinking range is 25% mosin, and there are usually a few full auto firearms on the line. Others have complained about lax safety, but I have not seen anything worse than any other range. And let's face it, shooting at bowling pins, milk jugs and other assorted crap is a lot more fun than paper. No down time at the plinking range to change targets, either.

The "no pictures" rule touches on the weird side of this range. I have only heard second hand stories, but the owner apparently really has issues with the BATF and other authorities . The first time I came out to the range I pulled out my FOID, and he made me put it back unexamined. Told me he did not want to know, that it was my problem if I was legal or not. Same thing with the class III stuff, not his problem. It seemed to me that the picture ban was related to this.

All in all, a fun place to shoot, and you will seem some very interesting firearms there.

Ignoarints
Nov 26, 2010


Cyrano4747 posted:

loving truth. My in-laws live in a neighborhood where there is a major freak-out about them. On the one side you have the HoA and everyone who has gardens and plants that they actually maintain, because the exploding whitetail population is ripping the gently caress out of all the vegetation around there, plus a bunch of pissed off people who have hit them while driving at dawn/dusk. The development is on unincorporated land (just barely) so they wouldn't even need any special licensing or whatever to get a out of season cull initiated, just alert fish and game and get them to OK it based on local population levels. They've been seriously discussing doing this and getting in a few "experienced hunters" to take things down to sane levels.

Of course, on the other hand you have a whole bunch of suburban soccer moms who are up in arms about "shooting those cute deer!" and how they don't want "Bambi being shot down in front of my kids!" There is also a segment that is (significantly more justifiably in my opinion) worried about the potential for errant rifle rounds going through nearby houses, although apparently there's a neighboring patch of undeveloped woods that they could pretty much hunt clean, giving the animals room to spread out into places that aren't back yards.

Not gonna happen after the first time the deer make their yard ugly. My mom was the same way years ago, then a bunch of deer actually lived in our yard (slept overnight there) and ate everything. She wanted me to kill them all lol.

They are friendly though - and cute. Just too stupid, and hittable. Baby deer play with you like puppies would.

Cluricaun
Jul 31, 2009

Bang.


winnydpu posted:

Buffalo Range is my main rifle range, even though it is a pretty long drive from Chicagoland. It is not really a fudd type place, the plinking range is 25% mosin, and there are usually a few full auto firearms on the line. Others have complained about lax safety, but I have not seen anything worse than any other range. And let's face it, shooting at bowling pins, milk jugs and other assorted crap is a lot more fun than paper. No down time at the plinking range to change targets, either.

The "no pictures" rule touches on the weird side of this range. I have only heard second hand stories, but the owner apparently really has issues with the BATF and other authorities . The first time I came out to the range I pulled out my FOID, and he made me put it back unexamined. Told me he did not want to know, that it was my problem if I was legal or not. Same thing with the class III stuff, not his problem. It seemed to me that the picture ban was related to this.

All in all, a fun place to shoot, and you will seem some very interesting firearms there.


Interesting. I'm going down there in April for sure to check that place out, it sounds interesting, especially the plinking pit. But if there's full auto going on down there it doesn't surprise me that the guy would be attracting attention from the BATFE since, you know, we can't own any of that in Illinois so it's a might bit odd that anyone is using it down there.

winnydpu
May 3, 2007


Cluricaun posted:

But if there's full auto going on down there it doesn't surprise me that the guy would be attracting attention from the BATFE since, you know, we can't own any of that in Illinois so it's a might bit odd that anyone is using it down there.

Entirely possible that extremely rapid fire sounds full auto to my untrained ear, but I am pretty sure I've seen full auto AK and AR pattern rifles there.

Adbot
ADBOT LOVES YOU

charliebravo77
Jun 11, 2003



Yeah....that story doesn't really inspire any confidences in the Buffalo Range for me. Range owner that doesn't give a poo poo what happens on his property and is willing to let illegal activities occur? Just what this state needs to inspire the confidence of the general public regarding responsible gun owners. gently caress him, I'm definitely not going to be giving them my business now.

  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
  • Post
  • Reply
«20 »