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Doesn't matter. The point of the second yellow rule is that you can rebuke a player for crossing the line and still give him one last chance to get on with the game and play some football before you're forced to take drastic action by sending him off. If he doesn't do any one thing that warrants a red and he hasn't been given that clear final warning then he shouldn't be sent off. Obviously you wouldn't let someone take the piss by cynically tripping people over and over while the other team keeps advantage but the ball doesn't go out of play, but you could still do that by yelling at that player to cut it out or he'll be sent off even while the game is still going. You can't give him that warning in this example in between him running onto the pitch and fouling the winger in this incident, and neither warrants a red on their own. Therefore, 1 yellow card only and a clear message that he is fortunate to still be on the pitch and will walk if he isn't a saint for the remainder of the game. Scikar fucked around with this message at Jan 21, 2011 around 19:13 |
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Scikar posted:e: If you read it as "passing with intent by dummying" then heading the ball back to the goalkeeper would be in breach of the rules too. If memory serves the rule is "deliberately kicks the ball back to the goalkeeper" so that heading is allowed, in that sense it can't be a backpass if he doesn't kick it! Right, good point.
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Scikar posted:e: If you read it as "passing with intent by dummying" then heading the ball back to the goalkeeper would be in breach of the rules too. If memory serves the rule is "deliberately kicks the ball back to the goalkeeper" so that heading is allowed, in that sense it can't be a backpass if he doesn't kick it! Interestingly, chipping the ball up and heading it back (the same player doing both) counts as a backpass, though I've seen it happen and not be given.
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Mickolution posted:Interestingly, chipping the ball up and heading it back (the same player doing both) counts as a backpass, though I've seen it happen and not be given. Does it? Arshavin did this in the most obvious way and the commentators went on about how clever it was IIRC.
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| # ? Jan 21, 2011 21:44 |
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It's come up in a few strips and Hackett always says it's an indirect free kick for backpass.
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| # ? Jan 21, 2011 21:49 |
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Yeah, I remember Trin posting about it a few times.
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What about if the player gets down and heads the ball back to the goalie on the floor? Or kneels and knees it back?
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Flayer posted:What about if the player gets down and heads the ball back to the goalie on the floor? Or kneels and knees it back? Robbie Savage did this once and didn't get penalised for it.
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Flayer posted:What about if the player gets down and heads the ball back to the goalie on the floor? Or kneels and knees it back? I think that you can award IFKs for anything you deem to be getting around the backpass rule under unsportsmanlike conduct. No ref ever will do it though because ha, what are spines anyway?
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Also: 1. Yellow for reentering the field of play without permission, then either yellow or red depending on the exact circumstances of the foul. If it was a nothing foul (not clear of the defence like it's stated here) then probably just the yellow for reentering the field of play and a stern telling off for being a dickhead. 2. Do it, put in your report about that assistants falling down would be a really dumb thing. 3. Yeah, IFK. They're gaining an advantage by their actions and the backpass was intended for at least a player on the defending team.
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It has to be intended by the player who kicked it. There's no way that's a backpass. Now that you mention it on re-entering the field for 1) though, I'm sure I remember Trin mentioning during the LOAF thread that the ref can't send off a player who isn't actually in play because of a mistake in the re-wording of the rules when they simplified them. A sub who isn't in play yet and just warming up can run on and scythe down a player who is through on goal and only gets a yellow for entering the field without permission, the actual foul is considered an act of an outside agent or something. So I'm even more sure that it's only a single yellow card. e: exact wording on the relevant part of the backpass law: An indirect free kick is awarded to the opposing team if a goalkeeper, inside his own penalty area, commits any of the following four offences: ~ • touches the ball with his hands after it has been deliberately kicked to him by a team-mate ~ and: There are different circumstances when a player must be cautioned for unsporting behaviour, e.g. if a player: ~ • uses a deliberate trick while the ball is in play to pass the ball to his own goalkeeper with his head, chest, knee etc. in order to circumvent the Law, irrespective of whether the goalkeeper touches the ball with his hands or not. The offence is committed by the player in attempting to circumvent both the letter and the spirit of Law 12 and play is restarted with an indirect free kick ~ If there is any infringement it must be by defender 2 (the goalkeeper can't be in the wrong because it wasn't deliberately kicked to him), and only then if you consider a dummy to be an actual pass whereby the player is using a trick to pass the ball back without kicking it. I can't say I'm convinced. Scikar fucked around with this message at Jan 22, 2011 around 02:11 |
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A player getting treated on the sidelines is no sub though.
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| # ? Jan 22, 2011 02:38 |
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No, but from the referee's point of view he's essentially the same: a named player who is subject to the rules but at this point in time is not permitted to be on the pitch for whatever reason.
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Can someone be a dear and avatarize Wenger for me? I have no photoshop skills. Click here for the full 940x429 image.
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| # ? Jan 22, 2011 03:30 |
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These You Are The Ref strips are funnier if you imagine that they all take place in the same match and these players are just complete cocks.
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HinderedUseless posted:Can someone be a dear and avatarize Wenger for me? I have no photoshop skills. 
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ephex posted:There's another 140 or so up for grabs, all of TRP could have avatars this good. Unless he's used Dowie at some point, in which case one of you is getting screwed.
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Alas no Dowie You can have Phil Brown though  or Steve Bruce!  or Ricky Sbragia for some reason 
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| # ? Jan 22, 2011 10:33 |
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Would love a Goalie to have deathmask facepaint tbh
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Dudley posted:There's another 140 or so up for grabs, all of TRP could have avatars this good. Yeah, but I would love one of a Bayern player, though. Haven't even found one with Ribery or Robben 
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HinderedUseless posted:Can someone be a dear and avatarize Wenger for me? I have no photoshop skills. 1. Goal kick. Peter Enckelman would be proud. 2. Free kick to the defence. The goalkeeper had the ball under control and was essentially fouled. 3. Red card and a penalty. Technically he shouldn't leave the field of play to begin with, but basic common sense is involved here. MrL_JaKiri posted:You can have Phil Brown though 1. Ask the captain to either take the throw or request that somebody else do. If he refuses, book him. Add the time on at the end of the game. 2. Yellow card and defensive free kick for ungentlemanly conduct. 3. Tell the captain to gently caress off and also that you know the local library is doing a free CV course that week. quote:or Steve Bruce! 1. Drag the policeman from his horse and beat him around the head with his own truncheon. Steal his wallet and all his buttons. When later presented with video evidence of this act in court, claim that you don't know what happened to his buttons and that maybe a scouser took them. 2. Technically, it should stand. The players play to the whistle, not the flag. 3. You're going to have to delay anyway, unless they've invented a roof made of unicorn poo poo and hot sane goth girls. Open the roof. quote:or Ricky Sbragia for some reason 1. Tell him that he can only have his face painted if the rest of the class do to. Hire in a woman that only knows how to do "a tiger" even though all the kids want "United colours", which she has no idea about. Continue the game with all the players in red-and-white tiger stripes. Later report to the authorities that you are hella cool and also a sweet badass. 2. Flip a coin. You should have fixed this to start with by not allowing the two keepers to wear the same colours and by not selecting assistants who tuck their shirts into their underwear. 3. Troll the injured player In Real Life. Call over your assistants and the two respective captains to mock and belittle the fallen player and his obvious display of pain. Tell the manager to go gently caress himself, while putting on a pretend Australian accent for no reason other than that you find it amusing to do so.
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Chiunque può essere Luther Blissett, semplicemente adottando il nome Luther Blissett
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This one would really own as an avatar:
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| # ? Jan 22, 2011 11:44 |
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would love to see a Real Ref's reaction to #1 there
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| # ? Jan 22, 2011 11:49 |
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Note that Hackett considers #3 a red card, but not the one where he's 20 yards back on a open net. He dumb.
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Worth every penny.
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FullLeatherJacket posted:Note that Hackett considers #3 a red card, but not the one where he's 20 yards back on a open net. Having read lots of them back to back last night, there are some decisions (like the taking your shirt off one) that he just flip flops over, giving different answers every time it comes up. Hackett more like Hack..ett. Erm.
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Does anybody ITT own the book?
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ephex posted:Does anybody ITT own the book? Chuggo does
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Nikolai Fuckharin posted:Chuggo does thx Chuggo, please take the book out and look for a picture of Robben or Ribery. Or any other Bayern player from their current squad. If there's a good one, please scan it or take a really good picture of it, then upload it ITT. If you complete this mission, i'll buy you an av or platinum something.
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pik_d posted:Today's is up Hackett's answers: 1. Foul, yellow if challenge deemed reckless. 2. Let them run the other quarters. 3. No backpass, since the defender did not deliberately kick it to the keeper.
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That last one is such bullshit. You can run onto the pitch without permission, foul someone and not even get booked?
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ephex posted:thx no germans club 
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Dudley posted:That last one is such bullshit. You can run onto the pitch without permission, foul someone and not even get booked? It should always be a definite yellow for coming on without permission. As a rule of law, though, you should only take one action for one incident, and act on the most serious (e.g. if you score a goal, take your shirt off, and then punch Gary Neville in the face, you don't need to see a yellow before you see a red). Or, in other words, you probably wouldn't get a yellow for coming back on and then another yellow for the foul at the same time.
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FullLeatherJacket posted:no germans club Wow, that middle panal is pretty racist.
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FullLeatherJacket posted:It should always be a definite yellow for coming on without permission. As a rule of law, though, you should only take one action for one incident, and act on the most serious (e.g. if you score a goal, take your shirt off, and then punch Gary Neville in the face, you don't need to see a yellow before you see a red). But what if both offenses are worth yellow cards, thus red together? For example a player makes a bad tackle but then also pushes the other player afterwards while they're arguing over the foul. That should be pretty common but I can't think of an example really. This assumes that player hasn't been booked yet obviously.
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The Flying Clog Wog posted:But what if both offenses are worth yellow cards, thus red together? For example a player makes a bad tackle but then also pushes the other player afterwards while they're arguing over the foul. That should be pretty common but I can't think of an example really. Again, from what Hackett says, there's some discretion in that, but he wouldn't give out a double yellow for an offence. It'd either be a single yellow or he'd give a straight red for the push and (at least in principle) only for the push.
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Mickolution posted:Wow, that middle panal is pretty racist. irlZaphod posted:I hope they don't teach to draw black people like Trevillion, because I kinda feel like most of his are fairly borderline racist looking. Seriously, he seems to always tend to emphasise certain things on his drawings of black people
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irlZaphod posted:Seriously, he seems to always tend to emphasise certain things on his drawings of black people Well, it could be worse 
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Wow, that's amazing.
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Luigi Thirty posted:Well, it could be worse That's pretty much what Ken Griffey Jr. looks like though. Man, I miss that game.
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