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I think the point of the third question is to shut up some smart rear end talking about the display of slogans being illegal during celebrations. In my opinion, the spirit of that law is to stop the display of slogans that would incite. The advertising boards have in theory been approved already as non-inciting so what would be the issue. Perhaps if he instead insulted the competitors of his sponsors you'd have something, but still. Play the loving game.
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| # ¿ May 1, 2011 17:11 |
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| # ¿ May 22, 2013 12:07 |
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1. Penalty. And I'm thinking send both defender and keeper off, as it's two separate fouls. 2. No. You likely haven't checked out his new shirt, and it will probably be too long to do so as well as it makes you look biased. You don't need that poo poo right before a shootout. If he wants to change his shirt so bad, have someone punch him in the face so he bleeds on it. 3. Play on, and yell at your assistant for being an idiot. I don't think it's unsporting.
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| # ¿ May 20, 2011 15:59 |
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1. Do nothing except reporting it to the league after, because there are usually competition rules against players complaining about refs. But being a competition rule, it's not your responsibility. It's not really dissent because it's like him bitching in the locker room to his teammates, or perhaps to a TV interviewer. 2. Play advantage and then caution, show red, abandon. The reason to play advantage first is because the league decides what to do about it, and it's probably better to give them as full a game as possible to decide. 3. Stop play, drop ball.
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| # ¿ Jun 3, 2011 15:24 |
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Scientastic posted:Keith Hackett advocates running with scissors. No, apparently the defender should have just left them on the ground so someone falls on them. Way better than stopping the game. e: And I guess running with scissors too.
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| # ¿ Jun 6, 2011 20:42 |
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I mean yeah, you should generally be a little suspicious of players' intentions, cheating bastards they are, but this is a level of cynicism that is ridiculous and dangerous. Though it makes me think, if you noticed them first, you'd stop play, right? Even if the action is currently moving away from the scissors? I see it sucks to stop play if no one is in immediate danger, but if they come back on the counter and then you stop play it's even worse. I feel like if you think it's dangerous, stop play as soon as you've decided it's dangerous.
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| # ¿ Jun 7, 2011 17:12 |
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1. If padding is good, and there's little chance of it being a choking hazard, and the physio is really fine with it, then I guess it's OK. Somehow I doubt all of that is true. Though I'd really want a real honest to God doctor who isn't going to have a possible perverse interest like the physio to tell me it's not a bad idea. 2. Goal, yellow, tell the defender he's pretty clever. 3. If it is somehow not reckless, free kick. It's likely reckless, so second yellow, sending off. foobardog fucked around with this message at Aug 19, 2011 around 18:58 |
| # ¿ Aug 19, 2011 18:56 |
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Mickolution posted:Surely if it's not reckless then it's not a foul at all. The scenario states that it was unintentional, so unless it was unnecessarily dangerous (reckless), then it's not a foul. I reckon it would be a case of stopping play so the injured player can be seen to (the vlood would necessitate this?) and restart with a dropped ball. Checking the Laws, there seems to be a distinction made for what gets a direct free kick versus an indirect free kick. Directs get given for doing an offense in a way that is "careless, reckless or using excessive force", while indirects can be given for "play[ing] in a dangerous manner". Cautions seem to require "unsporting behaviour". So I guess no card is on the table unless you consider the showboating to be at the level of unsporting. It could be a direct or an indirect based on recklessness. And I guess it's arguable if it's playing in a dangerous manner, but I definitely think so.
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| # ¿ Aug 19, 2011 19:19 |
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Sonic H posted:Surely by virtue of this alone it's a yellow card? Malice or otherwise it's dangerous play. I was confused, because careless and reckless were both mentioned on the direct free kick. But the interpretation of the law says: Law 12 interpretation posted:“Reckless” means that the player has acted with complete disregard to the I guess my fault was in assuming that dangerous play was a level above reckless. Here's what it says for careless: Law 12 Interpretation posted:
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| # ¿ Aug 22, 2011 18:53 |
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1. Send off the sub for unsporting behavior with a straight red. Perhaps alone entering the pitch would only be a yellow, but entering and attempting to manipulate the game is unsporting. Restart with a penalty. 2. Yellow to striker for dissent, red to keeper for attacking a player. Restart with a free kick for the defending team for offside. I don't think you can award a penalty or free kick to the attacking side since play ended due to your whistle. (Though hasn't he said that "oh, oops, I obviously made a mistake blowing the whistle, play was still on" is a reasonable conclusion before?) 3. Spirit of the no-shirt rule says second yellow once play comes to an end since it's an attempt to incite. I think though, that rule only applies to goal celebrations by the letter. I'd give him a talking to once play ended and then get chewed out by my boss. Either way, I'm not stopping play.
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| # ¿ Sep 16, 2011 18:00 |
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Mickolution posted:Isn't it technically about "inciting the crowd" which he definitely is here by "celebrating wildly infront of his fans". Yeah, it is, but it's mentioned particularly in reference to goal celebrations in the interpretation of Law 12 (Check page 118). It's not a rule against inciting the crowd in general, it only appears in reference to goal celebrations. Being a smart-rear end, you could say, it's not a goal celebration, so therefore the rule does not apply. I think spirit-wise, it does. And I was stupid with number 1, unsporting is only a yellow. However, Law 12 posted:A player, substitute or substituted player is sent off if he commits any of the following seven offences: It doesn't matter a whit that the guy in 1 is a sub, it's a straight red. e: f,b because I was blinded by Rooney. e2: And yeah, penalty kicks mention players only, not subs as LOOK I AM A TURTLE said. In fact, so do the free kicks, and I guess you have to do a drop ball. foobardog fucked around with this message at Sep 16, 2011 around 23:00 |
| # ¿ Sep 16, 2011 22:56 |
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Yeah, the last two seem good applications of the "Don't be a dick" rule. Sure, goal and no goal, by the laws, but c'mon.
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| # ¿ Sep 23, 2011 14:54 |
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On the first one, I thought if you lost confidence in your assistant, you could send him off and replace him with the fourth official. I mean, tell him to keep his cool first, but if he keeps it up...
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| # ¿ Oct 7, 2011 18:56 |
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1. I'm not sure if the hat being knocked off was a deliberate action by the attacker. If it was, yellow for unsporting behavior, disallow goal, free kick for the defending team. If it was an accident, sorry, bad luck. It doesn't sound reckless or careless. Goal stands. 2. Ball on the line is in the box. It's fine. 3. Looking this up, assuming the player entered before the ball went into play (I think this is what he's saying happens), the penalty is retaken. If he was somehow fast enough to encroach just as the ball moved forward putting it into play, then it would be a goal. Either way, the player is talking nonsense. e: I'm actually not so sure if the penalty should be retaken or not in 3. If the penalty kick resulted in a goal with an attacking player breaking the rules, it is a retake. But perhaps since the penalty kick failed to be a goal, went into play and then became a goal, it should be an indirect free kick since the penalty was not a goal? foobardog fucked around with this message at Oct 14, 2011 around 08:31 |
| # ¿ Oct 14, 2011 08:25 |
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Tsaedje posted:I'm more concerned with what the hell's going on with the pitch markings in #3 The vertical line that becomes dotted is showing where the pass would have gone. e: Or maybe they're playing in America where poo poo tons of fields have lines for like 6 different sports at the same time.
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| # ¿ Oct 28, 2011 21:53 |
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Semprini posted:Because while the law may say 'Unsporting behaviour', it means 'Don't think you can discover some cunning ruse we forgot to legislate against and expect to get away with it' Yeah, I think it's basically "OK, this is clever, but do I want players trying to repeat this?" What he misses is yes, yes we want players growing huge fros to carry balls around.
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| # ¿ Nov 14, 2011 23:31 |
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So, putting that together, MLS refs wouldn't even be allowed to ref League games in the UK, assuming the levels are comparable? I knew they sucked. e: And yes, I know that a lot of the usual suspects are FIFA refs too, but still.
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| # ¿ Nov 22, 2011 23:05 |
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Yeah, the laws don't seem to have this exactly, but there's an entire section on if a keeper takes a corner kick, I guess in the chance your keeper is the only player worth a drat on the entire team:The Laws of the Game posted:penalty area Corner kick taken by the goalkeeper So do I get this last one right? The keeper kicks it from the corner on the other side of the field, runs across the field to his box, and grabs it before anyone touches it? And we're supposed to punish him for this feat? gently caress that. e: Actually, as I think about it, it would waste a lot of time to have the keeper come for a corner, ignore their goal, and just take it back.
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| # ¿ Nov 25, 2011 17:36 |
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Yeah, if you don't first guess without looking at the Laws, and then finding out you've made up complete nonsense you're doing it wrong in my opinion.
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| # ¿ Nov 26, 2011 19:09 |
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I think there may be some point on refs giving strategy suggestions or such with the second one. I feel like there may be some distinction between stating a fact about the game state like how much time is left and stating strategy advice like "kick the ball out, I'm going to blow soon". I think there also may be a point that the advice was given somewhat unprompted. If the player had asked "is the ball going out for goal kick?" that's one thing, but the wording implies that the player simply asked for advice, which suggests something like "hey, what should I do?", to which the only real answer is "Play the game for your loving self."
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| # ¿ Dec 2, 2011 22:08 |
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The correct answer to 3 is to strangle yourself with your whistle right then and there.
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| # ¿ Dec 17, 2011 19:47 |
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1. Sorry, stop play, it's just not safe. Mark this down in your report. 2. Sorry, stop play, it's just not safe. Mark this down in your report. 3. Sorry, be pissed, it's just not the game anymore. Mark this down in your report.
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| # ¿ Dec 30, 2011 19:32 |
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Vagabundo posted:1) Duct tape over the player names, write in proper names on permanent marker. This also happened last year in MLS. Vancouver lost a few uniforms so they took replicas. For the keeper, they bought a training top and wrote on the sponsor name in marker. They were the last place team last year.
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| # ¿ Feb 10, 2012 18:37 |
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Answers:Keith Hackett posted:1) Not clever. Send all five of them off, and abandon the match as the team now have fewer than seven players. Then submit a detailed report, including your view that it looked pre-planned: the authorities have the option of recording the final score as 4-0. There is no rule that if a team causes an abandonment then they forfeit the game 3-0. So the result is likely to be relegation, fines and suspensions all round. Pretty straightforward.
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| # ¿ Feb 21, 2012 23:10 |
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1. I'm leaning towards penalty, assuming trip him up means violent. Yes, he was offside, but it seems like it would be if an attacker was in an offside position without the ball coming near him and the defender hacked him. They're not fair game just because they're offside. If it wasn't violent, then offside. I guess I'm aiming at calling the worse infraction. 2. Do it assuming both sides agree. It's not as fair or independent as a coin, but it's probably fair enough. 3. Send him off. Write it in the report. gently caress playing a guessing game as to intent.
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| # ¿ Mar 2, 2012 16:23 |
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Lamont Cranston posted:Yeah, it was one of the recent CL games (either APOEL or Chelsea) where the commentators were discussing the implications of the away goal rule during extra time. I suppose it depends on the competition rules more than anything. The Away Goals page on wikipedia actually has a nice chart summarizing for various continental cups.
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| # ¿ Mar 16, 2012 15:02 |
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1. I agree with red for the striker, and I guess yellow for the defender, but definitely tell the striker he's a dumbass. 2. I would call over a defender and say that he's planning to shoot, would they like to contest it? Congrats, we're wasting more time, dumbass. 3. No card unless I determine he's faking. Uh, dumbass.
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| # ¿ Mar 30, 2012 12:14 |
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1. Check how serious it is. If it seems minor enough, that seems fine. Though I'd rather he stand in a place that would be safest for him, even if it may lose the game for his team. And the opposition penalty box is not that place. 2. Corner. Not a deliberate handball in my opinion. 3. Corner. I'm pretty sure a player can't score an own goal off their own free kick, it has to touch another player first. But it did go out over the end line, so corner. e: Oops, didn't finish. foobardog fucked around with this message at Apr 7, 2012 around 02:49 |
| # ¿ Apr 7, 2012 02:45 |
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1. Offside. Free kick to defending team. The no offside on a throw-in has passed when another player touched the ball. 2. Stop the game due to serious injury, give a drop ball. I don't see a reason to wait for the keeper to make a move. 3. I'd say no goal due to outside agent. Drop ball. The real question is if the leg counts as part of the player, and I think it does not once he does not have sufficient control over it. Maybe if he was that superhero that can detach their limbs, then I'd still give no goal and a card for unsporting behavior.
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| # ¿ Apr 13, 2012 00:16 |
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Hackett basically calling all of us heartless bastards. Come on, there's no reason to not assume that dude is just chilling on one leg.
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| # ¿ Apr 16, 2012 09:02 |
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1. What. The. gently caress. You get one captain. They can maybe all wear it during practice, but only the captain can wear it during the game. 2. gently caress that. Tell the manager to let the physio on, the striker's health and safety is more important. If he refuses, eject the manager. 3. Yellow to defender for unsporting behavior. Call it offside as normal, after conferring with the AR to make sure. Free kick to the defense.
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| # ¿ Apr 20, 2012 20:06 |
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1. I'm assuming that the player was definitely offside when the ball was kicked. I'd say the crossbar counts as a new "kick" and therefore if the player was onside when it hit the crossbar, it's a goal. 2. I don't think you can give either one cards, though it's what you would have done if you hadn't blown the whistle yet (both second yellows). Write the incident down and report it to the league. They can probably deal with it. 3. No goal. I would have been wanting to blow for a foul and possible card on the striker (and maybe the defender). He shouldn't get away from it just because I didn't get to my whistle in time, and something weird happened.
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| # ¿ Apr 27, 2012 09:51 |
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Redundant posted:Three for three, for once I get to be smug about the most important thing there is... YATR I seem to be one of the few that were actually stumped by it. I just didn't put it in the right mindset, comparing it to rebounding off of a defender made it make perfect sense. I went zero for three with getting the major decision perfectly backwards in every case. 
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| # ¿ May 1, 2012 18:37 |
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1. Drop ball due to outside agent. 2. Send them both off. Yeah it's just a kiss, but grabbing his face is violent enough for me. 3. Free kick for the defense. My logic is that playing advantage does not throw the rules out of the window. If the attacker had turned around and kicked the defender, you you still send him off. Now, for the defender, I'm thinking only yellow. If he had been successful, it'd be DOGSO. But since the attacker was a champ, he wasn't denied, right?
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| # ¿ May 18, 2012 16:18 |
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1. Show the defender a yellow for entering the field of play without your permission. The striker is offside, free kick to the defense. Get shivved in the parking lot after the match. 2. Hmm. I would probably retake the kick if I just forgot to check the keeper was ready. That's my fault. If I told him I was ready and he was an idiot and didn't listen, then goal. 3. I hadn't blown, and players should play to the whistle. Goal. I'll still yell at the AR for loving up, and write it in the match report.
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| # ¿ May 25, 2012 18:59 |
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1. While you've blown, the game doesn't start until the ball is kicked. Let the sub happen. They will still have 3 subs. 2. Eh, second yellow for being an rear end in a top hat, free kick to the defense. 3. You've sent him off, stick to your guns. Even if it's not a fresh wound, perhaps it was aggravated by the challenge. Don't second guess, you are the motherfucking ref.
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| # ¿ Jun 1, 2012 08:02 |
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Mickolution posted:Don't see the problem with the second one at all. It's not very nice, but I don't see what rule it could be breaking. You could argue that in much how it used to be called "ungentlemanly" behavior, that it's unsporting. I just checked and while the Laws themself don't have it, the interpretation of Law 12 mentions that "act[ing] in a manner which shows a lack of respect for the game" means that "a player must be cautioned for unsporting behaviour". However, I've also found nothing about injuries before the match or when players can be scratched, so that has me thinking I may be wrong on number 1 despite how reasonable it sounds.
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| # ¿ Jun 1, 2012 17:20 |
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Mickolution posted:I guess you could call it that, but I don't think any ref would give it, would they? Depends on how much of a dick you're feeling like that day, I guess. Going by my view of unsporting behavior being "it's not directly illegal, but I probably don't want players doing it again", excessive mocking could fit into that.
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| # ¿ Jun 1, 2012 18:04 |
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1. Corner, yellow to defender. 2. Tell him to gently caress off, I'm probably going to gently caress up using it. Listen better. 3. Take the cig, light it up, say thanks, give him a yellow. Enjoy your break in the parks league.
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| # ¿ Jun 8, 2012 05:14 |
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1. Confirm with your assistant that he saw the guy in a place where the keeper's view could have been blocked. If he was, call back the goal for that guy being offside. 2. Check that the gloves are safe, which considering it's only during penalties it would be. If it was during the normal game, I'd say it's unsafe because he might punch someone in the head much easier and harder than without. 3. Do nothing and hope they score. The player that received the ball was not in an offside position when the ball was kicked, because you can't be offside on a corner, so he's not now. The other players if the image is correct aren't offside either, since the ball is past the defenders (except for the corner taker). e: Quanta posted:Arsenal used to do the corner routine from no. 3 quite regularly a few seasons ago until the linesmen started flagging the corner taker (Van Persie) offside each time. But that would only matter if the corner taker is then involved in play. If the guy with the ball kicks it into the box, it really doesn't matter. foobardog fucked around with this message at Jun 14, 2012 around 23:24 |
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| # ¿ May 22, 2013 12:07 |
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Redundant posted:It means player 1 passes the ball to player 2, player 2 puts his foot on the ball and stops it, player 1 then runs onto the now still ball and whips a cross in. Player 1 is then offside due to the second pass since stopping the ball is still kind of passing. Ah, I misunderstood that. Yeah, that's definitely offside.
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