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i was always under the assumption jakes fights were worked does he actually legit fight
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Kvlt! posted:i was always under the assumption jakes fights were worked does he actually legit fight his fights are legitimate.
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Jun 11, 2023 03:08
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STONE COLD 64 posted:his fights are legitimate. i mean as much as any boxing fight is i assume lol
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Jun 11, 2023 03:19
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Kvlt! posted:i mean as much as any boxing fight is i assume lol Try to separate your cynicism from understanding the sport. There are plenty of fights that are fully contested, with both fighters trying and succeeding in scoring in and hurting each other, where the decision is extremely suspect. The shadiness of decisions sours the sport but cannot take away from the legitimacy of most in-ring action.
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Jun 11, 2023 03:22
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kimbo305 posted:Being familiar with the ruleset is key for Jake Paul, who has bad gas but can pace himself well enough to stay out of trouble. He’s had enough fights at this point to know how to score without exerting too much. Diaz’s grinding style doesn’t work as well in boxing because of the breakups of extended clinching. Interesting thanks. So is a huge favorite or is it more like 60-40 for Jake?
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Jun 11, 2023 05:11
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Ulio posted:Interesting thanks. So is a huge favorite or is it more like 60-40 for Jake? pretty drat strong favorite i would think.
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Jun 11, 2023 05:25
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If Nate comes in with a really good jab, and I can’t dismiss that out of hand though I’ve never seen him apply that, he could still win the fight. But this is another hand picked fight with name value for Jake to lose.
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Jun 11, 2023 05:48
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nate has boxed with literal professionals regularly for over a decade. he knows how to box.
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Jun 11, 2023 12:49
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iirc, prizefighting odds aren't necessarily a predictor on who is gonna win, it's a reflection on who is being bet on. the more people/money that bet on paul (or any favorite), the more enticing the odds will be for bettors on diaz (or any dog) because books genuinely want money bet on both fighters. the bigger the favorite, the less return on your bet. books basically want there to be as little risk to them as possible. conor mcgregor's two most recent wins are against a now-retired cowboy cerrone and an NBA mascot. still, he's a betting favorite against michael chandler. do books think conor is gonna beat chandler? who knows, but they do know a bunch of mcgregor fans will put money on their boy, so in order to get to an even money proposition for them, chandler's gotta be the underdog. that said, favorite/dog betting favors the favorite 2 times out of 3 in UFC betting. poo poo just gets hinky when you've got a bunch of people flooding fan favorites like paul and mcgregor with bets
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Jun 11, 2023 14:18
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Marching Powder posted:nate has boxed with literal professionals regularly for over a decade. he knows how to box. He has had plenty of opportunities to box better in pouncing range in MMA, but he hasn’t. What he’s shown is what he’s got.
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Jun 11, 2023 15:51
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kimbo305 posted:He has had plenty of opportunities to box better in pouncing range in MMA, but he hasn’t. What he’s shown is what he’s got. didn't he beat the poo poo out of a prime mcgregor? he's, like, known for having really effective if unorthodox boxing.
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Jun 11, 2023 15:59
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Marching Powder posted:didn't he beat the poo poo out of a prime mcgregor? he's, like, known for having really effective if unorthodox boxing. He outlasted McGregor for sure in the first one. He was slower and got caught in both fights. Wasn’t able to use his decent reach to keep Conor away from him. But had success the moment Conor slowed down. I think that flaw is gonna show up against Paul.
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Jun 11, 2023 16:05
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i think conor mcgregor is a better boxer and fighter than jake paul but who knows. i'm just speculating. which is pointless, because i believe at least one of paul's fights was fixed, and that was against anderson silva. there was just a few seconds, i think he did it twice, where anderson silva used the footwork he was capable of and was at a right angle to paul but out of range. i swear to god if anderson was trying that fight wouldn't have lasted a minute. so that's my conspiracy theory regarding the paul fights.
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Jun 11, 2023 16:13
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Andy got old.
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Jun 11, 2023 17:24
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XUzQQMXf38I Freddie is talking about Nick here but everything he is saying is applicable to Nate as well. The Diaz Bros may have been training boxing forever and their striking style is very fun to watch and won them a lot of MMA fights, but any boxer with even acceptable footwork and understanding of maintaining their distance should be a justifiable heavy favorite over a Diaz in a boxing match. It is prize fighting so anything can happen but if I were to bet on this fight I wouldn't put a hail mary down on Nate having developed solid footwork and one-punch power.
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Jun 11, 2023 19:23
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Eat This Glob posted:iirc, prizefighting odds aren't necessarily a predictor on who is gonna win, it's a reflection on who is being bet on. the more people/money that bet on paul (or any favorite), the more enticing the odds will be for bettors on diaz (or any dog) because books genuinely want money bet on both fighters. the bigger the favorite, the less return on your bet. books basically want there to be as little risk to them as possible. I mean that is what it is in most cases the market has the right favorite but it definitely seems like in these showmatch type situations it's harder to get a read and there is way more stupid money involved.
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Jun 12, 2023 03:13
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Hey in MMA is it against the rules to pick up your opponent by the feet and spin them around before throwing them like Mario throwing Bowser?
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Jul 31, 2023 09:20
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not really but its also not very practical
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Jul 31, 2023 09:51
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Buck Turgidson posted:Hey in MMA is it against the rules to pick up your opponent by the feet and spin them around before throwing them like Mario throwing Bowser? 2m36sec of this video might be of interest https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GwelV3fK0w0
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Jul 31, 2023 10:15
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Buck Turgidson posted:Hey in MMA is it against the rules to pick up your opponent by the feet and spin them around before throwing them like Mario throwing Bowser? yes, so long as you don't grab them by their toes only. that'd be "small joint manipulation" and therefore illegal also, if you're going to throw them, they have to have use of their hands to protect their head and neck and stuff if they want
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Jul 31, 2023 17:05
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If you don't say "so long gay Bowser" the ref can take a point
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Jul 31, 2023 21:55
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Way back in the day, I remember MMA being touted as being safer than boxing. Is this still the case? Or was I just duped into buying wolf factoids about the safety of fighters? Obviously the days of standing and banging through multiple fights a night is done with, but I'm just curious if anything is being done to address CTE and other health issues.
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Sep 20, 2023 18:37
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I think the new wisdom that's intuitively sound is that you're getting the bulk of your damage from sparring and a much bigger volume of subconcussive strikes sustained in training, not in actual fights. So very roughly, the time you spend training grappling and not hitting your head in camp could be saving you. But how much people take head shots in training varies from gym to gym as much as or more than from sport to sport. Trickortreat posted:if anything is being done to address CTE and other health issues. Not really. The UFC generally observes athletic commission actions to protect fighters (usually from their own desire to compete), but those are few and far between.
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the current science says that boxers still see more brain damage because they get hit in the head more than mma fighters, but it's a big "gotta keep observing" to learn more. also, a caveat: the study cited below is funded by the UFC, but the Cleveland Clinic is doing it, so they're probably not in the pocket of Big MMALas Vegas Review Journal story posted:Researchers have looked at genetic and social factors that could increase risk, as well as at gender. Women are faring better in the study, and researchers will be publishing their findings on genetics, said Dr. Charles Bernick, the study’s founder and primary investigator. https://www.reviewjournal.com/local/local-las-vegas/mma-fighters-fare-better-than-boxers-in-brain-study-2244785/
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Sep 20, 2023 19:21
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it's good they're still studying it, but we have known for a long rear end time that repeated sub / fully concussive knocks to the head are real bad for you and if you're a young athlete and not being guided by educated trainers to become proficient in fighting while minimising trauma then you probably should find a new gym if you want to do this for a career. you see all the boxing trainers using pool noodles and poo poo during slipping / combo drills. it's a straight up fact that you need to get hit in the head a bunch and learn how to deal with it if you want to be good in an actual fight. but i continued taking unnecessary knocks in training for about a decade after i knew what it felt like to get hit real hard a bunch. that sort of idiocy should not be going on in modern gyms and i hope people start taking it more seriously.
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Sep 21, 2023 05:26
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Can you point me towards an event or video that your Av is from? I've always wondered what made everyone freak out.
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Dec 2, 2023 23:10
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Shard posted:Can you point me towards an event or video that your Av is from? I've always wondered what made everyone freak out. lol it was the ufc event not too long ago where leon edwards spent 4.5 rounds getting the poo poo beaten out of him by kamaru usman before landing the mother of all head kicks, killing him. as the fourth round ended i literally said what is in red before being as wrong as it is possible to be. sorry i'd try and use the search function but i have a trauma like aversion to it.
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Marching Powder posted:lol it was the ufc event not too long ago where leon edwards spent 4.5 rounds getting the poo poo beaten out of him by kamaru usman before landing the mother of all head kicks, killing him. as the fourth round ended i literally said what is in red before being as wrong as it is possible to be. sorry i'd try and use the search function but i have a trauma like aversion to it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p_9G6qiKO5U
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Yeah regarding striking I basically fell out of love with it as I got older because I set the personal rule of "if sparring gives me a headache it's too hard" and I've found that I really can't keep my skills up that way; any time I dip back into sparring I don't have any sense of timing or range.
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Dec 3, 2023 16:36
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time for a name change
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I have a half-finished draft for a new Q&A thread altogether that I've kept having to periodically scrap and start over because when I first started writing it Eagle FC was a big exciting international promotion and by god I'll finish it one day
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