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Three questions: How does judo typically fare in MMA? I'm taking a judo course next quarter because the trips and throws look cool, but it seems like as a discipline it sits at an unhappy medium in the MMA world. What's the deal with It's Showtime rules? They seem K-1 inspired, but...not. Like why are spinning backfists illegal? Also, how is it that It's Showtime has such amazing 70kg fighters and a champion I've never heard of? I don't get why Andy Souwer or Giorgio Petrosyan can't be bothered to fight for the belt.
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| # ¿ Feb 4, 2011 03:23 |
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Gomi Pile posted:a good wrestler will always beat a good judoka. That's the sense I've always gotten from watching judo guys fight in MMA. Then on the ground they seem to have some useful techniques but BJJ ground technique is way more developed. So that's what I meant by unhappy medium.
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| # ¿ Feb 4, 2011 04:12 |
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Coitus_Interruptus posted:Just stop even trying to figure out why K1, Showtime, or anyone else does anything with the rules and be happier about. The weird rule changes, clinching in K1 no back fists in Showtime, all come back to the same thing. Some important guy, somewhere in the organizations thinks it will make for "more exciting" fights for some or many wrong, stupid, and meaningless reasons. It's Showtime still allows knees aplenty, so I'm not about to complain about their ruleset. Somebody in another thread just mentioned the Korean Zombie losing by knocking out Pajonsuk with a spinning backfist, which I thought was really weird. (Poor Korean Zombie, what a terrible year he had. Lost by knocking a guy out, lost by Garcia, lost by sudden disappearance of his zombie abilities.) And actually the explanation given of how a spinning backfist can turn into something illegal really easily makes sense and is something I've wondered about in K-1. At the wrong range it's a spinning elbow.
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| # ¿ Feb 4, 2011 04:18 |
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2 fat 4 my lambo posted:"Didn't you lose your last 2 fights? Please don't piss me off, I actually have respect for Ryan. Don't you have a fight scheduled? Focus on yourself instead of weather I'm ready or not? Are you familiar with the strike policy in baseball?" When you put quotes like that side by side with all of his religiosity, it really makes the Jesus stuff sound more self-aggrandizing than anything else. Not that he means to do it, he just doesn't know any better. Contrast to Rich Franklin, who seems like a genuinely cool, amiable dude.
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| # ¿ Feb 6, 2011 19:16 |
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Thermos H Christ posted:Who gives a gently caress if Jon Jones is a cool dude? He's totally not, but you aren't inviting him to a dinner party, just watch him smash faces and enjoy it. Not I. I'll enjoy watching his fights regardless, rooting for or against. I just waffle between irritation and amusement that people who pray like hypocrites are the people most likely to be associated with the religion of Jesus Christ these days.
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| # ¿ Feb 6, 2011 19:31 |
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Why are heavyweight boxers such a big deal while heavyweight MMA fighters are The Worst?
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| # ¿ Feb 12, 2011 02:17 |
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Yeah, I meant historically. e: Although actually the question sort of applies to K-1 kickboxing as well. How come other sports get awesome big dudes? Jack of Hearts fucked around with this message at Feb 12, 2011 around 02:27 |
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nocturama posted:really it was shogun but only because he's so dreamy one of us one of us This forum is the best because we acknowledge that our love of the sport all arises from barely suppressed homoerotic passion.
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| # ¿ Feb 13, 2011 19:40 |
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Have any ACs here in the US flirted with the idea of using an open scoring system for MMA like K-1 uses? I find bad decisions a lot easier to take if I know what's coming.
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| # ¿ Feb 15, 2011 06:45 |
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By "open scoring" I just mean scores being shown at the end of rounds instead of the end of the fight. It seems like such a minor improvement, but for some reason I find it very satisfying not to have to guess where the fight stands at the end of round two or whatever. Plus we might see better performances if fighters know for a fact that they're behind and that they need to go for a dominant showing as the fight wears on.
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| # ¿ Feb 15, 2011 07:36 |
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Sometimes erroneously, too. Bad corners tell their fighters that they're winning, and by "playing it safe" they let close fights slip away. At worst I think letting everyone have more information would turn out a wash, though maybe I'm wrong.
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| # ¿ Feb 15, 2011 08:12 |
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Goddamn polite, non-loutish Japanese fans! How come they get to have nice things and we don't?
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| # ¿ Feb 15, 2011 08:34 |
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fatherdog posted:Correct, Japanese judges never bowed to pressure from the crowd when scoring for the guy that the promotion/fans obviously wanted to win. Yeah, maybe my meaning was unclear, but why can't we have nice things? What's your take on why open scoring hasn't caught on? I really like it, do most people just not care?
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| # ¿ Feb 15, 2011 19:54 |
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MassRayPer posted:Frye vs Takayama, PRIDE 21. Um, wow. That's too absurd for fiction.
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| # ¿ Mar 13, 2011 03:14 |
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Can someone explain this 10th Planet JJ/Eddie Bravo stuff to me? I feel like I've mostly seen it mentioned as mad stoner jiu-jitsu with limited practical application, but in that case why does it have the profile it does to begin with?
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| # ¿ Mar 27, 2011 22:15 |
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jeffersonlives posted:Joe Rogan is a Bravo brown belt and mainstreamed a lot of the terms, and Bravo himself used to be UFC's version of Harold Lederman. Thanks. I knew both of those things (though I'd forgotten the second part) and thought there might just be more to the story. (By which I mean that I secretly hoped there existed a style of Stoned Monkey Jiu Jitsu that was unstoppable in the hands of a master who smoked enough weed.)
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| # ¿ Mar 27, 2011 22:32 |
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Haraksha posted:Also, Bravo's BJJ book is ridiculous. The entire introduction is about the powers of weed in BJJ. I bet you would have ragged on the guy who invented Drunken Monkey Kung Fu also. Which I'm confident would dominate in MMA were alcohol not a banned substance. I base this on the documentary, Drunken Master.
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| # ¿ Mar 28, 2011 00:42 |
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Speaking of the above, I know judo guys tend to be really ineffective against American-style wrestlers in general, but I'm wondering if they do noticeably better against Greco wrestlers because of their clinch-based takedowns.
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| # ¿ Apr 16, 2011 17:41 |
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maffew buildings posted:I think a better question is what high level amateur wrestler has the least child like balls or which Brazilian grappler has the best excuses Do testicles scale with body size? In proportional terms at least I'm sure Joe Warren's balls are immense, but I'm not sure if they stack up to heavyweights who are literally twice his mass.
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| # ¿ Apr 19, 2011 06:22 |
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Also to be fair, I'm pretty sure Overeem wears all three of his belts to bed.
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| # ¿ Apr 22, 2011 00:39 |
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I do. I only follow one sport and he doesn't like it. But it's cool because he's Norm. Plus at the end of the episode he gives valuable advice re: hustling pool.
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| # ¿ Apr 26, 2011 05:36 |
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Why are there so many weight classes in boxing? It seems like relatively small differences in mass would have less of an effect in a sport based around punching than in MMA or even kickboxing.
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| # ¿ May 12, 2011 00:46 |
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Eat This Glob posted:Maybe in this video? Not seeing what you described, but is is a "my defense is impregnable" montage. Good video either way. I saw that yesterday, was going to post it, and then...didn't, obviously. Awesome video. I'm not a boxing fan and have never seen a Tyson fight, but I can see why he was so popular. He must have been a lot of fun to watch.
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| # ¿ May 22, 2011 05:08 |
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Meat Recital posted:They just dont always get noticed because no one has a long winning streak going (Anderson excluded) I think this is the main factor. Anderson beats everybody, while the rest of the pack is like rock-paper-scissors. It creates the illusion that the rest of the division is made of incompetents.
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| # ¿ Jun 3, 2011 03:00 |
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BlindSite posted:There was a fight earlier this year where congo was throwing them horizontally into buentello's legs I think and Rogan pointed out how dumb the 12 to 6 rule was. The one I remember is Anderson battering the top of Lutter's head with them and making him tap to strikes. Rogan had to have Randy explain to him why the ref wasn't calling a foul, and his response to the explanation was "oh, that's really stupid then."
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| # ¿ Jun 8, 2011 07:47 |
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niethan posted:Actually defensive wrestling is probably a really good skill to have "on the streets" The importance of wrist control in real life self-defense: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2REG3-Wb5gM
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| # ¿ Jul 22, 2011 18:39 |
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projecthalaxy posted:I realize that Joe Rogan is required to say these things due to being a professional hype man, but on the UFC 135 preview, he called Jon Jones "The greatest pure talent in the history of the UFC". That seems a little suspect, at least at this point. I would hardly call myself a UFC expert but wouldn't someone like Anderson or GSP who ran over a weightclass for years hold that distinction, or even older guys like Liddell or Matt Hughes? Is Jon Jones already considered all-time great like those guys? "Greatest pure talent" reads to me as "greatest combination of aptitude, physical build, and athleticism." In which case, yeah. GSP and Anderson are true virtuosos; JBJ has been absolutely brilliant but needs another few wins to demonstrate that kind of sheer excellence.
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