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Greekonomics
Jun 22, 2009


ConanThe3rd posted:

Spoony posts a review about a movie called game over, gives me heart attack when it pops up in my Reader Feed.

Well, that sure as hell got loving wierd near the end.

Any other fans of the Shield notice that Lem and Julien are in the "game" segments?

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CaptainYesterday
Sep 14, 2011

The cock of the walk

New NC up. Skip to the end to see things that cannot be unseen.

Leal
Oct 2, 2009

"Butt Bounce?"
"Butt Bounce, kupo."


That was.. certainly an ending.

Yet the strangest part of it is seeing Mara Wilson as an adult.

achillesforever6
Apr 23, 2012

Everyone talks about how awesome Achilles is, but did he ever made the god of war his bitch?


Sadly Diomedesforever6 just doesn't ring as well as Achillesforever6

How many good movies has Martin Short been in? Three Amigos?

TwoPair
Mar 28, 2010

Make the posts!
Make the posts!


SlothfulCobra posted:

So has anybody heard of of some alleged conspiracy of Halo 4 being used to distract the voting youth of America?

Moviebob has.

"This is a crazy theory that's totally nuts. I mean, just listen to how unlikely this conspiracy theory is. Therefore, I conclude that it's just nuts and there's no way it's true. BUT WHAT IF IT WERE " -Moviebob, 2012

Calaveron posted:

Can anybody find a single ZP Nintendo review that doesn't start with 30 seconds of Yahtzee whining about the Wii's controls or their overuse of their IP?

Well, poo poo, can you find a ZP review of anything where he's positive? I mean, the closest I think I can find is Saint's Row 3, and he still complains about parts of it. The guy's bread and butter is being negative, I can't fault him for going for taking easy shots.

Palisader
Mar 14, 2012



So, would this be a good place to post a link to a review-type video I've done with the specific intention of finding out what I hosed up on? I'm trying to teach myself how to do a lot of this, and hug-boxes are terrible places to get honest advice.

Well... poo poo, it's here and if anyone wants to look at it and give me ideas on how to improve, I'd be eternally grateful. I guess I just wanted to warn that it's really loving amateur ahead of time.

Cubone
May 26, 2011

Because it never leaves its bedroom, no one has ever seen this poster's real face.

TwoPair posted:

Well, poo poo, can you find a ZP review of anything where he's positive?

Psychonauts. And then in his Bioshock review he mentions that that experience taught him that nobody likes him when he's being nice to a game.

Lysdexique
Sep 12, 2010

It's been said, long time ago.
You'll be the first and last to know.


Cubone posted:

Psychonauts. And then in his Bioshock review he mentions that that experience taught him that nobody likes him when he's being nice to a game.

Yeah he's done a bunch of positive reviews (Saint's Row 2, Just Cause 2, Portal 2, Orange Box, Infamous 1 and 2, Assassin's Creed, etc). Sure he'll find some negative aspects in most if not all his videos, but he's a critic, it's kind of his job.

Palisader posted:

So, would this be a good place to post a link to a review-type video I've done with the specific intention of finding out what I hosed up on? I'm trying to teach myself how to do a lot of this, and hug-boxes are terrible places to get honest advice.

Well... poo poo, it's here and if anyone wants to look at it and give me ideas on how to improve, I'd be eternally grateful. I guess I just wanted to warn that it's really loving amateur ahead of time.

I thought the video was pretty good! It was entertaining and informative and the sound quality was loads better than most Youtube reviewers, although there was that weird distracting "squeak" noise that sounded like someone was running back in forth in sneakers in a high school gym, very odd.
Apart from that I didn't see anything fundamentally wrong with the video, keep it up!

Palisader
Mar 14, 2012



Lysdexique posted:


I thought the video was pretty good! It was entertaining and informative and the sound quality was loads better than most Youtube reviewers, although there was that weird distracting "squeak" noise that sounded like someone was running back in forth in sneakers in a high school gym, very odd.
Apart from that I didn't see anything fundamentally wrong with the video, keep it up!

Thank you Do you know, I didn't notice the squeak at all, in the slightest, and had to have it mentioned to me by one of my friends. Why? It's the low battery beep from the smoke detector. It's been going off for months now due to some sort of faulty wiring, and I've just stopped noticing it, I guess. I threw myself a little pity party earlier when he mentioned it.

But! I have an office downstairs where there are no beeps, so I will record the next one there. Learning how to manipulate the images and such is surprisingly time intensive, and I have to admit to having a lot more respect for some of the internet reviewers after trying it myself. Even Walker and his screeching.

echopapa
Jun 2, 2005

El Presidente smiles upon this thread.

Palisader posted:

So, would this be a good place to post a link to a review-type video I've done with the specific intention of finding out what I hosed up on? I'm trying to teach myself how to do a lot of this, and hug-boxes are terrible places to get honest advice.

Well... poo poo, it's here and if anyone wants to look at it and give me ideas on how to improve, I'd be eternally grateful. I guess I just wanted to warn that it's really loving amateur ahead of time.

My only nitpick is that sometimes the captions are a little too small to read if you aren't watching in full screen. Other than that, this is a strong start and I think you're on to something.

As for my show, Cheapskate Reviews, I've got another new episode up, in which I review the scandalous Howard Hughes western The Outlaw. Comments welcome as usual.

John Liver
May 4, 2009



DoombatINC posted:

Normal Boots is great, I can't say enough good things about them. Continue's Wizards and Warriors episode (which is on the Game Station account) is a great introduction to the show, and JonTron's platform game reviews such as Mighty Max, Home Improvment and the Bubsy Collection are gold.

I'm not usually into the whole "scream like a fiend" style of video, but these are pretty good.

SystemLogoff
Feb 19, 2011

Shutting...Down...


Leal posted:

That was.. certainly an ending.

Yet the strangest part of it is seeing Mara Wilson as an adult.

So, how about that internet bringing the strangest things together.


edit: Yep.

Deadly Chlorine
Nov 8, 2009

The accumulated filth of all the dog poop and hairballs will foam up about their waists and all the catladies and dog crazies will look up and shout "Save us!"
... and I'll look down and whisper
"No."


achillesforever6 posted:

How many good movies has Martin Short been in? Three Amigos?
Innerspace was a great movie and I stand by it.

I uh was surprised that she actually appeared in his video. I really did not expect any of that. It's nice that she doesn't seem offended by him, after all he didn't even have a twitter account during that trainwreck. TGWTG fans are really the worst.

Benne
Sep 2, 2011

STOP DOING HEROIN

CaptainYesterday posted:

New NC up. Skip to the end to see things that cannot be unseen.

Mara Wilson is pretty awesome. Also, is Doug balding already?

mind the walrus
Sep 22, 2006

Now with complementary face-buffer

I recall a video two years ago where yes, he was balding hardcore.

redmercer
Sep 15, 2011
Probation
Can't post for 11 days!


John Liver posted:

I'm not usually into the whole "scream like a fiend" style of video, but these are pretty good.

He reminds me of a nerdier, more charming George Costanza; and the fact he's got a really cute bird helps. Not really a fan of the "big intro" trend a lot of these guys are using as if they were real TV shows; this is the internet, get to the point.


You guys count Ashens?

Leal
Oct 2, 2009

"Butt Bounce?"
"Butt Bounce, kupo."


SystemLogoff posted:

edit: Yep.

Ahahahaha..... Ah. TGWTG fans, you always gotta update wikipedia about everything your messiah does don't ya?

Kalos
Dec 9, 2011

Only as cool as your hair.


It's like the internet-reviewer equivalent of xkcd fans.

Benny the Snake
Apr 10, 2012

EVERYBODY PANIC


For all those who think Moviebob is an arrogant, over-pretentious git and that Yahtzee's constant hate has lost its steam, I'd like to present Extra Credits. A gaming series dedicated to observing conventions in games and gaming culture with dedicated artist Allison Theus,professional developer/developer consultant Daniel Floyd, and host James Portnow who actually does research for a change. Watch it for an analytical take on the whole "gamer observation" genre free of rage or smugness. Interestingly enough, their show was hosted on The Escapist until conflict over Russ Pitts trying to manhandle leftover funds raised for Allison's surgery for merchandizing where the crew wanted it to kickstart development for an indie game. Make that of what you will.

The episode that had me realize that this series was something special was their episode on Call of Juarez: the Cartel. James calls out Techland's lazy and irresponsible development for fostering utterly reprehensible racist sentiments in this game: not limited to presenting the Cartel skin trade as Mexican Cartel members abducting American women to sell south of the border. James is an easygoing guy, so to see him express utter vitriol means something deeper than say Angry Joe raging for the umpteen time.

voltron lion force
Sep 15, 2010
Probation
Can't post for 31 hours!


Here's a post I made 100 pages ago about why EC is bad.

voltron lion force posted:

Extra Credits sucks. Here's what I really don't get about it. In the first episode they explained that they have a three man team consisting of the guy who writes the show, the girl who does the art, and the other guys who narrates. Well the art sucks and consists mostly of hurriedly drawn doodles and random image macros that display the absolute base interpretation of what's being said. For example, in the episode linked above the line is:

"Can they tell a story or raise a question with only their most basic elements?"

Cue clip of a periodic table of elements. Yup those sure are some elements right there.

Furthermore, they have a guy whose only job is too read the script. You'd think he would be a good public speaker or whatever. And from what I can gleam he is. So why would they gently caress it up by putting that mickey mouse filter on his voice? If they are gonna distort his speaking voice so terribly, they might as well just get the writer to read it himself.

And the writing is passable really. I mean the guy talks in circles, treats the audience like children, generally never has a point and uses flowery, grandiose descriptors for say, GoW or some similarly undeserving game. But all that aside, its passable. But if the art sucks, and the narration sucks, then why should this even be a show?

E: Oh also they think Fallout3's story was better than New Vegas'

In fact looking at my previous posts in this thread, I only post about how bad EC sucks. They just really rub me the wrong way. Now that above post might be out of date, but somehow I doubt they've improved a whole lot. Does the artist still fill space with 4chan memes? Do they continue to spend the first 2 minutes of their 8 minute episode talking about how they never have enough time to talk about everything? Does the host still sound like Mickey Mouse for no reason?

Scorched Spitz
Dec 12, 2011


In a thread spent bitching about anger being confused with jokes, smug and belligerent vlogs, and the sad personal lives of the critics themselves, that seems kinda nitpicky. I'm not saying the show can't be pretentious at times or that they weren't completely off in anything related to the newer Fallouts or that I don't get a feeling they might be a bit of industry shills when that whole Mass Effect debacle came about. I just don't think some stupid memes and a cartoony voice should get on someone tits anymore than Spoony drunkenly calling everyone an idiot for thinking ME3 had a lovely ending.

Scorched Spitz fucked around with this message at May 2, 2012 around 20:07

OldTennisCourt
Sep 11, 2011


John Liver posted:

I'm not usually into the whole "scream like a fiend" style of video, but these are pretty good.

He sounds like Timon from The Lion King to me personally.

voltron lion force
Sep 15, 2010
Probation
Can't post for 31 hours!


Scorched Spitz posted:

In a thread spent bitching about anger being confused with jokes, smug and belligerent vlogs, and the sad personal lives of the critics themselves, that seems kinda nitpicky. I'm not saying the show can't be pretentious at times or that they weren't completely off in anything related to the newer Fallouts or that I don't get a feeling they might be a bit of industry shills when that whole Mass Effect debacle came about. I just don't think some stupid memes and a cartoony voice should get on someone tits anymore than Spoony drunkenly calling everyone an idiot for thinking ME3 had a lovely ending.

Well I don't really watch Spoony or most of the other internet critics ya'll are always talking about. But to me the difference is this: Spoony is easy to not take seriously because he's just a dweeb talking into a camera. But the EC people like to style themselves as industry insiders and promote their show as "an intellectual discussion about serious video game issues". The GIS pictures and cartoon voice clash with this and in reality their show is just as shallow and pointless as any other internet persona's.

Maybe I am nitpicking so I'm actually gonna watch some of their more recent episodes and see how I feel.

MadScientistWorking
Jun 23, 2010

"I was going through a time period where I was looking up weird stories involving necrophilia..."


Benny the Snake posted:

The episode that had me realize that this series was something special was their episode on Call of Juarez: the Cartel. James calls out Techland's lazy and irresponsible development for fostering utterly reprehensible racist sentiments in this game: not limited to presenting the Cartel skin trade as Mexican Cartel members abducting American women to sell south of the border. James is an easygoing guy, so to see him express utter vitriol means something deeper than say Angry Joe raging for the umpteen time.
Actually someone LPing the game actually pointed out that one of the things they actually ragged on in that video was not actually racist and is a common hiring practice.

Benny the Snake
Apr 10, 2012

EVERYBODY PANIC


MadScientistWorking posted:

Actually someone LPing the game actually pointed out that one of the things they actually ragged on in that video was not actually racist and is a common hiring practice.
James ragged on the minority hire thing because it felt like a token gesture to distract from the part in LA were you gun down Black gangbangers and get a kill-quota achievement for it.

Ghostpilot
Jun 21, 2007


redmercer posted:

He reminds me of a nerdier, more charming George Costanza; and the fact he's got a really cute bird helps. Not really a fan of the "big intro" trend a lot of these guys are using as if they were real TV shows; this is the internet, get to the point.


You guys count Ashens?

I like Ashens and used to watch him consistently a few years back. But the one thing with him is that if you've seen one of his reviews, you've seen about 90% of them. These days I can go about three to six months without visiting his channel and not feel as though I'm missing anything.

I did enjoy his Easter review with the prank that was pulled on him during the shoot.

SatansBestBuddy
Sep 26, 2010

heh


Benny the Snake posted:

For all those who think Moviebob is an arrogant, over-pretentious git and that Yahtzee's constant hate has lost its steam, I'd like to present Extra Credits.

Uh, thanks I guess? Though when introducing a series, it would be nice to get your facts straight: James is the game developer/writer/professor at Digipen, while David does the voice, edits the video and works at Pixar. Allison is the artist, though, so that's right.

voltron lion force posted:

In fact looking at my previous posts in this thread, I only post about how bad EC sucks. They just really rub me the wrong way.

Ever tried Errant Signal? He's pretty good at examining trends in the game industry and talking about specific games, tends to make longer videos which go more in-depth with a much tighter script than what EC tends to put out, though the quality also means he doesn't have a schedule so he'll take his time on videos and only releases one when it's good and ready. Check out his Sonic overview or his take on the violence in games issue.

achillesforever6
Apr 23, 2012

Everyone talks about how awesome Achilles is, but did he ever made the god of war his bitch?


Sadly Diomedesforever6 just doesn't ring as well as Achillesforever6

http://thecinemasnob.com/2012/05/01...ough-vodka.aspx
Brad has the best friends, except for Jerrid, he was sort of an rear end in a top hat.

voltron lion force
Sep 15, 2010
Probation
Can't post for 31 hours!


voltron lion force posted:

Maybe I am nitpicking so I'm actually gonna watch some of their more recent episodes and see how I feel.

Watched season 4 of EC and while they're definitely doing less of the poo poo I hate, its still there. Like they actually start their episodes now within the first 30 seconds, but they still lack a point and take a really long time to explain very basic things. They took an entire episode to explain that WRPGs put you in the role of the character and JRPGs don't. Lets be honest if I'm sitting here watching an internet show about this topic I've already played enough RPGs to figure that out. Like forever ago. They insist they're doing a show that tackles deeper issues, but they never get around to them because they take the whole time explaining introductory points.

And the art is still really hit or miss. They've definitely toned down the amount of memes used, and to an extent the GIS images, but it just makes it all the more apparent when they do use them. The artist also does this thing that drives me insane. If what the narrator is saying is too hard to conceptualize into an image (probably because it doesn't need to be) she'll fill space with a rigidly literal interpretation of what is being said. In the latest episode about "Transgaming" for instance:

The line is: "...it gives us an excuse to talk about the future of gaming."
The illustration is: the host holding up a sign that says "EXCUSE" followed by plain text on a white background that reads "THE FUTURE OF GAMING"

Stuff like this doesn't need to be illustrated, just hold on the slide with the host with his finger up in the air or something. And speaking of this episode there was a narration/illustration thing that just confused the hell outta me. Can someone explain this to me?

The line is: "...and increases player attention."
The illustration is: a GIS'd picture of a boomerang.

What does that mean? It it referring to like when you throw a boomerang and you have to keep your attention on it as its coming back so it doesn't chop your head like in Mad Max? Because in the picture the boomerang is just laying on the ground.

Ya ok this might be nitpicking, but I just love to hate this show.


Taking a deeper look at videogames

SatansBestBuddy posted:

Ever tried Errant Signal? He's pretty good at examining trends in the game industry and talking about specific games, tends to make longer videos which go more in-depth with a much tighter script than what EC tends to put out, though the quality also means he doesn't have a schedule so he'll take his time on videos and only releases one when it's good and ready. Check out his Sonic overview or his take on the violence in games issue.

Ehh I don't really like this guy. I've only watched his Half-Life overview but he was wrong about enough stuff that it turned me off to him. Ya dude we all hate extreme variety in our gameplay. Oh videogames are engineered to makes us feel a certain way you don't say. Uh huh yes characters recognizing our heroics from the previous game is definitely a bad thing somehow. He at one points says that Alex is not a flirty, flaky, sex symbol and then goes on to talk about how she instead a flirty masturbatory aid. The Half-Life games have flaws, but hes missing them. Even though he prefaces the video by saying he's definitely not just posting a contrary viewpoint in order to garner hits, I think that's exactly what it is.

achillesforever6
Apr 23, 2012

Everyone talks about how awesome Achilles is, but did he ever made the god of war his bitch?


Sadly Diomedesforever6 just doesn't ring as well as Achillesforever6

You know I got to admit, Doug has really improved as an actor since his early days
Also does anyone think that Doug is pulling a Patrick Stewart and is wearing that hat only because he is balding?

Finally, glad to see Mara was a good sport through all the bullshit that the TGWTG fans put her through. (Though I was surprised how small her filmography was. Now when is Luke's dad going to be in a video?

FreudianSlippers
Apr 12, 2010

Justified and Ancient.


DoombatINC posted:

and JonTron's platform game reviews such as Mighty Max, Home Improvment and the Bubsy Collection are gold.

I wasn't expecting mutch and the guy does look like the gooniest goon that ever gooned and he's a bit shouty but I was pleased to find out that he's actually funny. That Bubsy video was gold in the ocean of feces that is internet reviewers.

Star Man
Jun 1, 2008

DWN037

The Nostalgia Critic annoys the ever living poo poo out of me. I would have been really amused by what he does when I was seventeen, but I just expect better things from people. But I'm also tired of the whole nerd rage thing and negativity in general and want people to just calm the gently caress down and use their inside voices.

Meanwhile, I enjoy Nostalgia Chick because it's not about yelling and is about analysis and that it's been that way since the beginning. I've seen a couple of things that are also a part of the TGWTG gaggle, and I liked PushingUpRoses reviews on computer related media because I'm under the impression that she has a working background in computers, and they reminded me a bit of pre-Discovery [url=http://www.badastronomy.com/bad/movies/index.html#list]Bad Astronomy[url]. I like that sort of thing where egregious errors in science and technology in the media are analyzed and discussed meaningfully.

Benne
Sep 2, 2011

STOP DOING HEROIN

As lovely as the TGWTG web layout is in general, you know what the worst part about it is? That their good second-tier talent (Oan, Todd, Lupa) is buried under piles of Doug's lovely, unfunny skits that he hasn't updated in months. You're not a one-man show, CA! Promote your talent! At least SNL has this figured out.


E: Mara Wilson has the final word on her "feud" with NC. I'd say it ended pretty well all around, but it just proves further that Doug is terrible at playing a "character" and that excuse is bullshit. If you have to explain that your'e doing satire, then it's either not satire or you're loving terrible at satire.

Benne fucked around with this message at May 3, 2012 around 06:17

Kalos
Dec 9, 2011

Only as cool as your hair.


I think more of the blame falls on Doug's terrible fans being complete shitlords than Doug himself.

DoctorWhat
Nov 18, 2011
PLEASE CONGRATULATE ME FOR BUYING AN EXPENSIVE VIDEO GAME HAT. IF YOU DON'T MY SHITTY POSTS MAY NEVER STOP.


Benne posted:

...it just proves further that Doug is terrible at playing a "character" and that excuse is bullshit. If you have to explain that your'e doing satire, then it's either not satire or you're loving terrible at satire.

That wasn't the point. She didn't believe that Doug was playing a character because she'd heard that advice too many times. Then she watched a Non-NC video from Doug, probably one of his vlogs, and realized he WAS playing a character.

Jesto
Dec 22, 2004

If 10000000 was a lady, I'd marry her.


Plenty of people think Stephen Colbert is legitimately a Republican until they see him behaving normally or are explained otherwise and no one thinks he does poo poo satire.

Doug is playing a character, the only fault with it is that it's an annoying one.

bbf2
Nov 22, 2007

"The White Shadow"

I don't know if the character thing flies all that much with Nostalgia Critic, I mean he's definitely a character during the skit parts with other reviewers, but when he's actually analyzing a movie and talking about what he liked and didn't like its pretty clear (just from watching them, but also from the commentaries and whatnot) that those are Doug's actual opinions.

SlothfulCobra
Mar 27, 2011

STOP BEING EVIL.


I think by this point it's completely impossible for me to acknowledge any of the "chararacter" voices the Nostalgia Critic thinks he can do, since he's got such a unique way of speaking that I can't imagine what he's trying at. You'd think for Transformers he'd at least put on a voice filter, considering that most Transformers voices are defined by just having a robot voice filter.

But he keeps on doing them.

He also keeps on putting convention footage in his videos to show off an audience that will laugh at whatever he says.

Jesto
Dec 22, 2004

If 10000000 was a lady, I'd marry her.


Or he puts in convention footage as a shoutout to the fans who actually come to see the TGWTG crew at cons, audience participation and all that.

I guess your reason works too.

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MadScientistWorking
Jun 23, 2010

"I was going through a time period where I was looking up weird stories involving necrophilia..."


SlothfulCobra posted:

He also keeps on putting convention footage in his videos to show off an audience that will laugh at whatever he says.
Say what you will about his talent but I always thought the convention footage was to show that he appreciated his fans.

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