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fishmech
Jul 16, 2006

I see a ship in the harbor
I can and shall obey
But if it wasn't for your misfortune
I'd be a heavenly person today


Ryouga Inverse posted:

the 3g version will require that, the wifi-only version won't, but the wifi-only version is coming out much later

that actually turns out to be something a tech blog made up

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Kirk
Sep 22, 2003

Au contraire, mon capitaine! Heee's back!


so the version 90% of people want isnt coming out til way later

gg motorola

gg

johndis
Jun 23, 2009

by Ozmaugh


fishmech posted:

that actually turns out to be something a tech blog made up

is this picture fake?



not bein a dick or anything i seriously have no idea??

pic is from engadget btw

qirex
Feb 15, 2001



fishmech posted:

that actually turns out to be something a tech blog made up

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Compute...cat233400050016

quote:

Compatible with Wi-Fi networks*
...
*1 month data activation required.

haveblue
Aug 15, 2005



they won't let you complete the purchase and leave the store with it without signing up for the 3g contract

Dessert Rose
May 17, 2004

so delicious...



Kirk posted:

so the version 90% of people want isnt coming out til way later

gg motorola

gg

motorola is trying to help produce laughs, they're doing a very good job of it

also lol at all the people fishmech arguing in here

Don Lapre
Mar 28, 2001

If you're having problems you're either holding the phone wrong or you have tiny girl hands.


Ryouga Inverse posted:

help the xoom is so threatening with its flash support* and great features**

*flash support not coming until next year sometime we guess
**some features not unlocked unless you pay for a month of an unrelated service

Flash is supposed to be out in a couple of weeks for it.

The data requirement is retarded though.

Flash on android honestly works fine. I dont see why people have such a problem with it.

Dessert Rose
May 17, 2004

so delicious...



yeah flash on android works fine*

*if the site you are using has "optimized" their flash for mobile and you don't mind draining your battery in an hour

Don Lapre
Mar 28, 2001

If you're having problems you're either holding the phone wrong or you have tiny girl hands.


Ryouga Inverse posted:

yeah flash on android works fine*

*if the site you are using has "optimized" their flash for mobile and you don't mind draining your battery in an hour

Why would you sit on one website for an hour? Even regular flash videos tend to work well enough, its not like im watching blockbuster movies on here.

fishmech
Jul 16, 2006

I see a ship in the harbor
I can and shall obey
But if it wasn't for your misfortune
I'd be a heavenly person today



yeah best buy put out a wrong thing. you don't need to activate it to have wifi

Don Lapre
Mar 28, 2001

If you're having problems you're either holding the phone wrong or you have tiny girl hands.


fishmech posted:

yeah best buy put out a wrong thing. you don't need to activate it to have wifi

It still says on their website that a month of data is required for wifi to work

fishmech
Jul 16, 2006

I see a ship in the harbor
I can and shall obey
But if it wasn't for your misfortune
I'd be a heavenly person today


best buy claims that because they want people to buy data plans so they can get money off that.

Dessert Rose
May 17, 2004

so delicious...



Don Lapre posted:

Why would you sit on one website for an hour? Even regular flash videos tend to work well enough, its not like im watching blockbuster movies on here.

flash on android: works fine, as long as you never actually use it

Don Lapre
Mar 28, 2001

If you're having problems you're either holding the phone wrong or you have tiny girl hands.


Ryouga Inverse posted:

flash on android: works fine, as long as you never actually use it

No, it really works fine. I just dont loop the same videos over and over again. If there is a flash video on a website its probably a few minutes long.

BangersInMyKnickers
Nov 3, 2004

I have an oral fixation and it's not the sexy kind

If you're going to take the time to modify your flash implementation so it works on Flash For Android™ then why for god's sake wouldn't you just do something that works on iPhone/iPad as well since that is what real people in the real world use?

fishmech
Jul 16, 2006

I see a ship in the harbor
I can and shall obey
But if it wasn't for your misfortune
I'd be a heavenly person today


Ryouga Inverse posted:

flash on android: works fine, as long as you never actually use it

flash video only uses a lot of power because you're watching a goddamn video tbqh

fishmech
Jul 16, 2006

I see a ship in the harbor
I can and shall obey
But if it wasn't for your misfortune
I'd be a heavenly person today


BangersInMyKnickers posted:

If you're going to take the time to modify your flash implementation so it works on Flash For Android™ then why for god's sake wouldn't you just do something that works on iPhone/iPad as well since that is what real people in the real world use?

what modifications are required seeing as how most flash on websites is a simple video player

Dessert Rose
May 17, 2004

so delicious...



fishmech posted:

what modifications are required seeing as how most flash on websites is a simple video player

Dessert Rose
May 17, 2004

so delicious...



fishmech posted:

flash video only uses a lot of power because you're watching a goddamn video tbqh

yeah video always sucks down battery theres just no way around i

wolffenstein
Aug 2, 2002
 

Does Android play H.264 files?

Shaggar
Apr 26, 2006

Internet Expleror


use sliverlight and let smooth streaming deliver the optimal video to each platform.

Shaggar
Apr 26, 2006

Internet Expleror


android is going away anyhow. larry is gonna sue them out of existance for decompiling and stealing java code.

fishmech
Jul 16, 2006

I see a ship in the harbor
I can and shall obey
But if it wasn't for your misfortune
I'd be a heavenly person today


Ryouga Inverse posted:

yeah video always sucks down battery theres just no way around i



how long does that play flash?

poo poo i can play flash videos on my macbook air for 5 hours straight - just like playing videos in itunes

fishmech
Jul 16, 2006

I see a ship in the harbor
I can and shall obey
But if it wasn't for your misfortune
I'd be a heavenly person today


Ryouga Inverse posted:



what is this.

Don Lapre
Mar 28, 2001

If you're having problems you're either holding the phone wrong or you have tiny girl hands.


Yes, streaming flash takes more battery power than playing local videos. But atleast its got the capability, You dont have to use it if you hate flash.

johndis
Jun 23, 2009

by Ozmaugh


it is a .jpg

what is this
Sep 11, 2001

it is a lemur


wolffenstein posted:

Does Android play H.264 files?

for now. there's no hardware acceleration of theora or VP8 or any of those other idiotic formats


some chipset manufacturers claim their hardware is "ready for vp8 acceleration" but someone's going to have to write that code and they're not doing it

given android's atrocious track record with hardware acceleration I don't see it happening any time soon. and even if it does it will be for new phones only

so in summary playing dumb flash video eats battery like nobody's business, playing dumb vp8 is even worse since at least adobe has tried to get parts of flash hardware accelerated

Shaggar
Apr 26, 2006

Internet Expleror


does flash do hardware decoding on non-windows oses yet?

Don Lapre
Mar 28, 2001

If you're having problems you're either holding the phone wrong or you have tiny girl hands.


Shaggar posted:

does flash do hardware decoding on non-windows oses yet?

Yea

what is this
Sep 11, 2001

it is a lemur


Shaggar posted:

does flash do hardware decoding on non-windows oses yet?

yes, but poorly. much like flash does everything poorly.

Shaggar
Apr 26, 2006

Internet Expleror


so why not just use html5 video???

oh wait! only IE9 has the power of true hardware video acceleration. too bad so sad webkitailures\


IE9 owns everything everywhere all the damned time! Pick it up to day for Windows 7!!!
------>>>>>> http://windows.microsoft.com/en-US/...ducts/ie-9/home <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<-----------

Internet Exploere 9!! A MORE BEAUTIFUL WEB!!!!

fishmech
Jul 16, 2006

I see a ship in the harbor
I can and shall obey
But if it wasn't for your misfortune
I'd be a heavenly person today


has google actually taken h.264 out of chrome yet

what is this
Sep 11, 2001

it is a lemur


Shaggar posted:

so why not just use html5 video???

oh wait! only IE9 has the power of true hardware video acceleration. too bad so sad webkitailures\

http://sublimevideo.net/

the best html5 video solution

Shaggar
Apr 26, 2006

Internet Expleror


ya but u can get a plugin from microsoft to have it use the decoder ie9 uses

what is this
Sep 11, 2001

it is a lemur


what is this posted:

http://sublimevideo.net/

the best html5 video solution

also does not feature that dumb bouncing rabbit video, +100 points for that

Dessert Rose
May 17, 2004

so delicious...



Don Lapre posted:

Yes, streaming flash takes more battery power than playing local videos. But atleast its got the capability, You dont have to use it if you hate flash.

i like how you say it "takes more" as if it's just a difference of like 10% when it's literally four times as much

and also it's not just videos but every flash object that chews battery like that

and pretty much every website in existence has flash ads, so it'll always be running unless you turn it off except when you specifically need it

but hey, apart from that whole battery thing, the part where you need to reformat your videos for mobile flash, the part where tons of flash games just outright don't work, yeah, flash is awesome on android.

it's so awesome that people recommend turning it off by default

Don Lapre
Mar 28, 2001

If you're having problems you're either holding the phone wrong or you have tiny girl hands.


Ryouga Inverse posted:

i like how you say it "takes more" as if it's just a difference of like 10% when it's literally four times as much

and also it's not just videos but every flash object that chews battery like that

and pretty much every website in existence has flash ads, so it'll always be running unless you turn it off except when you specifically need it

but hey, apart from that whole battery thing, the part where you need to reformat your videos for mobile flash, the part where tons of flash games just outright don't work, yeah, flash is awesome on android.

it's so awesome that people recommend turning it off by default

You can set the browser to run plugins on demand, so when there is a spot for a flash video you just press it and it runs the video.

fishmech
Jul 16, 2006

I see a ship in the harbor
I can and shall obey
But if it wasn't for your misfortune
I'd be a heavenly person today


Ryouga Inverse posted:

i like how you say it "takes more" as if it's just a difference of like 10% when it's literally four times as much

and also it's not just videos but every flash object that chews battery like that

and pretty much every website in existence has flash ads, so it'll always be running unless you turn it off except when you specifically need it

but hey, apart from that whole battery thing, the part where you need to reformat your videos for mobile flash, the part where tons of flash games just outright don't work, yeah, flash is awesome on android.

it's so awesome that people recommend turning it off by default

this is pretty much all false.

also all flash objects are "videos" that's kinda what flash is.

also ive never seen anything that needed to be reformatted for mibile flash

maybe if you tried actually using things you talk about you wouldn't be so wrong?

Dessert Rose
May 17, 2004

so delicious...



yeah flash is all video. no one does navigation in flash, games, entire loving websites, nothing. it's just videos.

speaking of entire loving websites done in flash, the xoom can't even view its own product page

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qirex
Feb 15, 2001



you see everyone's been telling you that eating poo is bad and you can list 10 reasons why nobody should eat poo but honestly you can't knock it until you've tried it

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