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so is the ps1 monster class tree still valid?
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so in precipice pass, there is supposed to be a medal in the graveyard. is it actually there?
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Sep 25, 2016 00:59
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Nephzinho posted:Where is the one after this? They are pointing me to town of ancestors of heroes and I'm not sure what that is. ugh these are going to get so much more annoying than fetch quests aren't there. Want to get Drake and Healslimes quickly as I'm on Alltrades finally. that'd be la bravoura. the places you haven't been are marked on the world map. also, there is a healslime heart in a chest there.
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Sep 25, 2016 13:42
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Nephzinho posted:Okay, makes me feel better that it is just someplace I haven't opened yet. no, the island pops up after you save alltrades
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Sep 25, 2016 14:01
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i wish there was a list of monster class skills somewhere. like okay, extra grinding to get permanent skills is a perfectly fine concept, but doing all that grinding without knowing what the heck i'm even grinding for?
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Sep 25, 2016 15:46
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Harlock posted:I'm pretty sure a PS1 guide should be the same as far as monster classes go? it is the same as far as the class tree goes. but for skills, almost everything has a different name and i've already found differences in the human class skills. for example, since hybrid skills were removed i've found a few that were integrated in the normal class skill list, and others i haven't been able to find at all yet.
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Sep 25, 2016 16:13
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thanks, that's helpful. a quick check between the google translated list and the old ps1 faq made it very clear that the skill lists for some of the monster classes are quite different.
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Sep 25, 2016 16:40
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it looks like flying devil is a good intermediate goal that doesn't require any rare hearts.
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Sep 25, 2016 16:49
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if you cheat at lucky square there is no more difficulty until the postgame
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Sep 26, 2016 01:03
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someone said that there is a marker in the book if you have recruited a monster, but i'm not seeing it.
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Sep 26, 2016 02:58
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In Training posted:There's a little picture of a slime next "Ease of taming" on the right hand side nah, they aren't showing up at all. maybe the earlier access to monster recruiting just doesn't register until you get far enough in the story that you can actually do something with them?
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Sep 26, 2016 03:29
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LostRook posted:You have to talk to the guy in the Monster Park to get them to appear. The guy you give enclosures to, not the tablet guy or Dogsbody. That's the point where you drop them off and the marks appear. that's what i figured, yeah. the early empty monster park is just there so you can accumulate monsters until you reach the point where you would normally be able to access it.
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Sep 26, 2016 03:36
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i know lizardmen aren't available until very late in the game, but what was the other late game base class? i'm trying to figure out which of the 5 final monsters have roadblocks. peacock doesn't, as someone already mentioned.
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Sep 26, 2016 04:16
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LostRook posted:I think both Rockbomb, Berserker and Goodybag all are fairly late. Berserker is in the 2nd to last colored fragement island, Jewelbag is on the last colored fragment island, Rockbomb is the 2nd grey fragment. I think a couple of them will be in world map treasure chests that you can get quite a bit earlier but I can't remember which specifically or where, though I'm pretty sure it's Rockbomb. rockbomb and berserker are in lucky panel. so, that leaves jewelbag. aside from peacock, the other 4 have either lizardman or jewelbag, so i guess i'll grind up one person into a peacock and then not worry about the rest.
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Sep 26, 2016 04:26
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i did the kingfuscia tablet dungeon a couple hours ago and i was swimming in hearts despite not really grinding for long. no thieves or pirates, using exclusively multi-target attacks.
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Sep 26, 2016 04:28
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Alxprit posted:It might just be conjecture but have you tried actually finishing the dungeon? The final boss Kingfuschia is supposed to drop hearts more often, and I think clearing the dungeon repeatedly increases your chances too. Of course, I could be completely off base, but that's how it was for me and Drake Slimes. assuming this list of lucky panel prizes is correct, you can get gerion hearts in coastal and skip the lizard man phase. the jewel bags build into hell giant and dead noble, and the former is also a coastal lucky panel prize. they seem to be very rare, though. so then, skipping the late access lizard man and jewel bag hearts, that means i need to figure out what gerion, hell giant and dead noble are called now and also if they are obtainable before those two basic classes. of course, even if i get all those hearts i'll probably lose interest halfway through the grind.
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Sep 26, 2016 04:38
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the rng god hates you. i just checked mine, and i have killed 170 and gotten 6 hearts.
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Sep 26, 2016 05:36
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LostRook posted:Were you using the NPC's dungeon? Don't think it works. i was!
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Sep 26, 2016 05:40
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there isn't some complex reason. rng gonna rng, is all. i believe the drop rate boost for thieves and pirates stacks, if you wanna go that route.
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Sep 26, 2016 06:39
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ha ha, that's dumb as hell. i can see why monster recruitment is enabled by picking up the munchies, but why hearts?
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Sep 26, 2016 17:07
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there are a couple unwinnable fights in that sequence, but i don't remember the priest being anything special.
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Sep 27, 2016 00:57
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http://nukesaq88.github.io/dq7_luckey_panel/LuckyPanel_win.zip never play lucky panel legitimately
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Sep 27, 2016 00:59
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nah, it is just easier. if you want to type the contents of each square that's fine too. i'll take any way to speed up my lucky square grinding, though.
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Sep 27, 2016 03:56
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13/f/cali posted:I noticed after playing Lucky Panel for awhile that the shuffle and +1 chance cards almost never get shuffled into the top row, and that they seem to show up in the bottom two rows most often. I tried opening the bottom cards first, and if I reveal the shuffle, then I would reveal from the top for my remaining reveals. Because of this I got shuffled less often and stumbled into the +1 during the game more frequently, and this greatly increased my winrate. This was the one in Alltrades present, I'm not sure if they all work like that or if it was just my RNG seed but I definitely played long enough that there seems to be something to that. i've seen that mentioned elsewhere as well, so it isn't just you. furthermore, when the shuffle isn't in the bottom row it seems to almost never show up in the outside edge. that's just anecdotal evidence, of course.
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Sep 27, 2016 17:54
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Mountaineer posted:Augh, apparently missed my chance to grind for Jawtoise hearts in the Sunken Citadel and may not see them again for some time. The monster class system is the one thing dragging this game down for me. jawtoise hearts are quite common in alltrades present lucky panel
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Sep 28, 2016 12:13
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cloofish posted:Another great thing about hearts dropping much more frequently in tablets is it gives you a great source of income. Slime hearts sell for only 200 g but when you're bringing back like 30 a trip it adds up fast. intermediate classes and up give bonus stats when you master them. otherwise, there is no point in having every character have every ability because passives don't transfer between classes and you can still only use one ability per turn.
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Sep 29, 2016 08:26
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cloofish posted:Well I remember Thin Air from Dragon Quest 8 (broken record much?) and it was absolutely ridiculous, so I'm looking forward to more of that. you can learn it permanently if you master the dingbat monster class
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Sep 30, 2016 07:55
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lol
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Sep 30, 2016 19:08
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but anyway, once you get past the hump your initial vocations don't matter much at all. they are quick to master, so you won't stay in any basic human class for very long.
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Sep 30, 2016 19:23
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Dr Pepper posted:Getting to max level gives you a stat bonus. only for intermediate vocations and up
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Oct 1, 2016 08:50
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midheal is nice to have on anyone but otherwise there isn't much point in grinding out all the basic jobs for every character. having all those extra abilities is pointless when there are better alternatives available. personally, i'd recommend spending most of your time in various intermediate classes unless you want to mess with monster classes for whatever reason.
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Oct 1, 2016 20:35
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if you spend some time grinding lucky panel for gear before you start the alltrades sequence the whole thing is a cakewalk. i can't stop grinding lucky panel please send help
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Oct 1, 2016 20:58
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eh, if you don't believe it then work off your own anecdotal evidence. i'm not entirely sure about the bottom row thing, but i have only seen the shuffle tile in the top row a few times out of a couple hundred attempts.
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Oct 1, 2016 23:01
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the rarest item from alltrades present is the very useful drake slime heart, but you get a dungeon tablet for those at around the same time which is a much easier way to obtain them. but hey, functionally infinite money is nice enough even if going for a specific rare item is a waste of time.
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Oct 1, 2016 23:32
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well, the tablet version of dq8 was free for a while if for some reason you hate life and want to suffer.
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Oct 2, 2016 12:43
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dingbats are mostly nice so someone can always have thin air. a much easier alternative is just leaving someone as a paladin for the entire game. monster classes are very much an optional system.
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Oct 2, 2016 13:36
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i guess you might be able to beat the game without ever using alltrades, but it would require a whole lot of level grinding for no particular benefit.
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Oct 2, 2016 19:06
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if you have 3 people with advanced classes, then stick your 4th in whatever outfit looks best.
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Oct 2, 2016 22:37
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you can only have access to 4 at a time. you lose access to maribel for a big chunk of the game but can swap her back in later.
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Oct 2, 2016 23:27
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the slight menu lag means i only ever control my party for bosses, and even for those i tend to switch back to auto once my buffs and debuffs are taken care of.
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Oct 3, 2016 04:51
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