Quicksand_Jesus posted:

I actually enjoyed Bill Watts on JR. I don't know a lot about the guy other than the stories you hear from foley, austin, etc., but he seemed pretty no-nonsense and a straight shooter instead of the semi crazy guy I always pictured from the stories.

Also, his stories in particular about how the business used to work with stretching guys, threatening to throw down with Gange, and just in general the wild west attitude at the time sounds awesome and terrifying at te same time.

sportsgenius86 posted:

He's a racist

quote:

Certainly, the sins above mentioned, we cannot overlook in our “judgmental pride” of being heterosexual—and I personally have been so guilty of them, and in my depravity of these abominations have so grieved the Spirit of God as I transgressed in them—–including even foolish, but not innocent homosexual experiences (not that I ever participated in committing a homosexual act myself, or even any homosexual touching, or being touched, or have even entertained any homosexual feelings—-but allowed myself to be orally gratified—-and that strictly one person’s oral stimulation only, by this homosexual at one point in my life)—-in my youth, as I reached that age of puberty, and hormonal rages, and sexual exploration——and worse, even allowing myself to be gratified by this homosexual for financial reward—–as many of us “young athletes did” (and I’m also speaking here of some of these athletes who became real stars in their sports, so we are not talking about “just ordinary people”—–or ignorant, or poverty trapped victims, but some exceptionally gifted athletes)—–as we were preyed upon by this influential and wealthy pervert in our youth——which does not in anyway excuse me in this abomination. (Yes, he also preyed on others, the non-athletes too.)

Now, this person who I’m referring to above, was allowed to function in a very influential position by both of the major universities in our state, recruiting young high school athletes to their programs, (and as I have already indicated, many of whom he “gratified” later became stars in their sport—-football, wrestling, baseball, etc.) though these universities were “unaware” of his perversion—-at least initially, or else, they just “looked the other way.” (And, at some various points in time, he was even arrested for his perversion on young boys, but released, and went on as if nothing had happened, and continued in his relationship with these schools too, until the publicity of his activities became too well known.)

But I can tell you, he used that position to feed his desires by orally gratifying many “weak and impressionable,” and “morally weak” young boys and men—–and has continued to integrate himself into situations that would allow him to seduce even more—–for years and years and years now. When last I heard, he was still in charge of promoting youth wrestling in our state’s capital city.

If you consider how many young men and boys this one person practiced his perversion on—–even clear back when it was illegal——-can you imagine now, when we have created a “protected status” for them?!

He also introduced many of us to pornography—–to stimulate us while he indulged himself with us, because we certainly were not stimulated by him. I do not say this to excuse myself for allowing him to gratify me. I am totally responsible for my own actions in this!

sportsgenius86 posted:

He's a racist

epitasis posted:

can anybody make sense of where tf meltzer got these numbers from in the new observer. like match or wrestler of the year I understand he has vote tallies but did he just subjectively rank people year-by-year as draws? how did the championship numbers get into the thousands. what the heck

sportsgenius86 posted:

Cumulative totals from observer awards. There's a biggest draw category. I believe the championship number is length of reigns total in days.

Daniel Bryan posted:

Go out of your way to read Dave's analysis of the Monday Night War Bret Hart episode and the TNA Grantland article. Both tremendous.

Thauros posted:

The one thing I'm not sure Dave's right on is claiming that the existenceof Smackdown and all the other additional hours of WWE programming available means that fans are going to be less likely to watch another company's product.

Most people on here don't even seem to watch Smackdown and the C shows anymore, and obviously the PSP audience is going to be more hardcore than the average fan.

But yeah, very interesting analysis. HHH's advice to Shawn was new to me. Crazy how politically involved he was at his age and experience level.

sportsgenius86 posted:

He's a racist

Cardboard Box posted:

i like when dave meltzer said bill watts wasn't a racist, he just said and did a lot of racist things

MassRafTer posted:

I almost buy this line of thought (that seems pretty prevalent) just because Bill Watts and Ernie Ladd were close for so long without Ladd murdering him. Then I remember all of the horrible incredibly racist things he said that can't even be explained away by "Well he was espousing his libertarian beliefs!" and there's no way he wasn't.

DrVenkman posted:

Yeah I mean I don't think you'll find many who watch Raw and Smackdown. I'm sure the ratings attest to that. For whatever reason WWE decided that Smackdown shouldn't be a big show anymore, and the ratings are going to reflect that. Same thing with Superstars and whatever else they put on.

Right now for me it's just Raw, occasionally, and NXT. If Impact started putting on good shows then I'd be watching it. Oh and here's the Grantland article about TNA - it's ok, it's not a Shoemaker joint.

http://grantland.com/features/tna-professional-wrestling-dixie-carter-jeff-jarrett-wwe/

LordPants posted:

Well, for a guy who was supposedly racist, his product was still better than TNA

UltimoDragonQuest posted:

Post the podcast!

Endorph posted:

You say that like TNA isn't horribly racist.

LordPants posted:

I mean, I love Mark Hunt he's my favorite punchmans, but I thought we got this out of our system? with the JDS fight?

ColonelJohnMatrix posted:

Just got through this week's Observer and the recap of the Hart Monday Night Wars episode. What a great read. It's also crazy how even though I know HBK was a shithead back then it's still surprising to me just how big a shitlord he must've been to deal with. Meltzer says he had to personally talk two other stars into not fighting him because it wasn't worth being immediately fired over. This was apparently also before the Hart thing really heated up.

sportsgenius86 posted:

He's a racist

epitasis posted:

that's racist

coconono posted:

As reported by Mark Madden, the name you can trust.

Is Bill Watts progressive as gently caress? Not in the least. I suspect he doesn't know or doesn't care that some of the language and stances he takes can be interpreted as racist.

Bill Watts posted:

I can't tell a fag to get the gently caress out. I should have the right to not associate with a fag if I want to. I should have the right to not hire a fag if I don't want to. I mean, why should I have to fire a loving fag if I don't like fags? Fags discriminate against us, don't they? Sure they do. Do Blacks discriminate against Whites? Who's killed more Blacks than anyone? The fuckin Blacks. But they want to blame that bullshit "Roots" that came on the air. That "Roots" was such bullshit. All you have to do if you want slaves is hand beads to the chiefs and they gave you the slaves.

What is the best thing that has ever, ever happened to the Black race? That they were brought to this country. No matter how they got here, they were brought here. You know why? Because they intermarried and got educated. They're the ones running the Black race. You go down to the Black countries and they're all broke. Idi Amin killed more Blacks than we ever killed. You see what I mean? That's how stupid we are. But we get caught up in all this bullshit rhetoric. And so it's ridiculous what's happening to our country. Lester Maddox was right. If I don't want to sell fried chicken to Blacks, I shouldn't have to. It's my restaurant. Hell, at least I respect him for his stand. That doesn't make me anti-Black.

mariooncrack posted:

Foley is looking into starting a podcast. I don't know how I feel about this.

Strenuous Manflurry posted:

mariooncrack posted:

Foley is looking into starting a podcast. I don't know how I feel about this.

Daniel Bryan posted:

Go out of your way to read Dave's analysis of the Monday Night War Bret Hart episode and the TNA Grantland article. Both tremendous.

Strenuous Manflurry posted:

rovert posted:

On that Bill Watts quote I can't emphasise enough how tame the printed words are compared to the actual audio from the interview which is in the members section of the PWTorch site. Absolutely terrifying amounts of bile and rage.

coconono posted:

Yeah I dug up the audio. After hearing Mark Madden was the one that forwarded the info I immediately assumed it was Madden making poo poo up/worse than it was.