Volkerball posted:

Jordan said they'll execute a bunch of ISIS prisoners, including commanders, if ISIS kills their pilot. I approve.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ot-hostage.html

Young Freud posted:

I think Jordan would have to do something spectacular to dissuade ISIS, probably something way beyond that would be covered by the Hague conventions. I know that ISIS isn't really following those rules, but it still means that it's better to follow the higher ground.

I mean, not only would you have to film it, but you'd have to do something that's going to top beheading to phase a bunch of hardcore fanatics, like feeding them alive to pigs or throwing them into acid just to let ISIS know they'll never get into Heaven to claim their 72 virgins.

Volkerball posted:

They'd been working on a prisoner swap, but it seems as if it's all but fallen apart. ISIS actually wants these guys (and woman), so that's where the leverage is. Not in matching them in brutality and hoping they see the error of their ways. That said, there are fresh reports circulating that the Jordanian pilot is dead according to ISIS tweeps, but the rumor has been around for a while, because ISIS refused to provide proof he was alive during prisoner swap negotiations, and they've killed people and waited quite a while to release the video before.

Volkerball posted:

New interview with Assad on Foreign Affairs. The Foreign Affairs link is behind a paywall, but near as I can tell, the SANA version is a straight copy paste.


Who says it wasn't ISIS who killed Hamza al-Khatib? Not much new, but the rest is at the link. They discuss a little bit about the upcoming Russian "Talks about talks."

http://sana.sy/en/?p=26278

Volkerball posted:

Wow, evidently Kobane canton is worthless to ISIS without Kobani.



Basically pulling out of the region altogether.

MothraAttack posted:

Looks like ISIS is trying to get revenge for Kobane. They've launched a massive three-pronged attack on loving Kirkuk this morning under the cover of heavy fog. Battles are ongoing -- a peshmerga general is reportedly dead and ISIS has seized a few key points around the city.

Young Freud posted:

I mean, not only would you have to film it, but you'd have to do something that's going to top beheading to phase a bunch of hardcore fanatics, like feeding them alive to pigs or throwing them into acid just to let ISIS know they'll never get into Heaven to claim their 72 virgins.

fade5 posted:

There's still some fighting, but yeah, ISIL's basically lost their resolve to continue fighting for Kobani Canton after getting their asses handed to them.

ISIL also apparently haven't learned poo poo from Kobani, and would like a second Stalingrad/Waterloo in Kirkuk, courtesy of the Iraqi Kurds and even more US airstrikes. Hell, I'm loving game for it.

Torpor posted:

Part of the issue may be the terrain, when the YPG was losing in the region, they basically ceded those areas as well. Furthermore, ISIS is in a position if they stop retreating and start resisting, they will get bombed, as the map points out. So they are getting ushered out of the region.

TildeATH posted:

Jesus dude, you having fun there?

Also, Islam doesn't work like that, as far as I know. I don't think the Qu'ran lists "Were eaten alive by pigs" or "Thrown into acid" in the No Heaven For You list.

Young Freud posted:

Doesn't Islamic afterlife, like most religions, have issues with body integrity? Like you have to die whole in order to enjoy the afterlife? I know there's an actual prohibition against cremation, and I've recall that stuff like chopping criminals hands off, beheadings, and posthumous multilation has some sort of religious connection, like you're denying them Heaven by doing so. I also recall that Hezbollah or someone using suicide bombers pretty much lying to them about the condition of their bodies after bombing.

Volkerball posted:

The guy from Foreign Affairs who gave this interview just wrote an article for Washington Post talking about visiting Damascus, meeting Assad, and how Assad struck him as a "delusional psychopath."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opini...93b2_story.html

quote:

Poor Mr. Tepperman. If only he'd had an opportunity to voice these "clever" observations and counterpoints to President Assad himself in some sort of interview where he could put him on the spot... oh but wait, is that not exactly what he was in a position to do? Was it not his responsibility and duty as a journalist to rebut, to counter, and to put these points forward to be answered if he truly believed in the authenticity of his claims and analysis?

Instead, we are insulted with this weak retrospective, painted clumsily with the brushes of sensationalism and defamation rather than objective or evidenced analysis.

What is abundantly clear is that the reason none of this nonsense was put directly to the Syrian President, Dr. Bashar Al-Assad, is because he would have dispelled it like he has dispelled all the other nonsense put forward in this and previous interviews, further humiliating Mr. Tepperman in the process.

He must really think very little of people in general if he believes that he's not so transparent. Personally, after witnessing this disgraceful backstabbing, I would never invite this "journalist" into my country, let alone my home, and would never enter into a discussion or agreement with him with the illusion of good faith.

quote:

Assad is the only solution for Syria right now. He is secular and that is what West Asia needs now more than ever. They must have a secular strongman who will crackdown on Wahhabi terrorists who want to murder all Christians and Shia and oppress women and use barbaric centuries old execution for small crimes.

quote:

the fact is that he is legitimate ruler of the country and his country was attacked by army of mercenaries funded by fellow Arab leaders and western governments

Young Freud posted:

Doesn't Islamic afterlife, like most religions, have issues with body integrity? Like you have to die whole in order to enjoy the afterlife? I know there's an actual prohibition against cremation, and I've recall that stuff like chopping criminals hands off, beheadings, and posthumous multilation has some sort of religious connection, like you're denying them Heaven by doing so. I also recall that Hezbollah or someone using suicide bombers pretty much lying to them about the condition of their bodies after bombing.

Torpor posted:

Edit: where is that IS propaganda video with the british jounalist? "just mopping up guys!" That was a propaganda gambit that didn't pay off.

Volkerball posted:

Don't know which video you're talking about, but the guys name is John Cantlie.

Torpor posted:

Part of the issue may be the terrain, when the YPG was losing in the region, they basically ceded those areas as well. Furthermore, ISIS is in a position if they stop retreating and start resisting, they will get bombed, as the map points out. So they are getting ushered out of the region.

MothraAttack posted:

ISIS has executed Kenji Goto. Daesh kiddies on Twitter have long suggested that the Jordanian pilot is dead, and we haven't seen him in a while. Maybe, as someone suggested, they didn't expect Jordan to actually consider the swap.

Celexi posted:

I hope Jordan shows a video of execution with the king himself reading a statement on the video before starting shooting

Volkerball posted:

Jordan said they'll execute a bunch of ISIS prisoners, including commanders, if ISIS kills their pilot. I approve.[/url]

Young Freud posted:

I think Jordan would have to do something spectacular to dissuade ISIS, probably something way beyond that would be covered by the Hague conventions. I know that ISIS isn't really following those rules, but it still means that it's better to follow the higher ground.

I mean, not only would you have to film it, but you'd have to do something that's going to top beheading to phase a bunch of hardcore fanatics, like feeding them alive to pigs or throwing them into acid just to let ISIS know they'll never get into Heaven to claim their 72 virgins.

CSM posted:

All three of you are just as terrible as your average ISIS loon.

MothraAttack posted:

ISIS has executed Kenji Goto. Daesh kiddies on Twitter have long suggested that the Jordanian pilot is dead, and we haven't seen him in a while. Maybe, as someone suggested, they didn't expect Jordan to actually consider the swap.

Shaocaholica posted:

Does Japan have something in their constitution forbidding direct foreign military action in any form?

Dolash posted:

Christ almighty, look at all those flags! If the Kurds ever got a Kurdistan, is there any chance these organizations could possibly settle into it peacefully without a huge, explosive civil war?

With them being so regional I imagine it'd be a big problem if an official Kurdistan only got part of its desired territory, too, like just parts of Syria and Iraq but none of Turkey, since that would mean either the newly "official" Kurd groups having to distance themselves from "rebels" in other territories, or ending up at war to acquire the rest of Kurdistan, or some awkward situation where the other Kurd groups try to squeeze into their official space.

kustomkarkommando posted:

Hey thread, I heard you like Kurds but are having trouble remembering/understanding all those crazy acronyms. Well here's a post for you

With a Diagram!

A Kavalkade of Kurds _{and assorted Assyrians}




TRANSNATIONAL:

KCK
(Koma Civakên Kurdistan / Group of Communities in Kurdistan)
Leader: Abdullah Öcalan aka Apo
Established in 2007 to promote the ideology of Democratic Confederalism formulated by Öcalan following his arrest in 1999. Functions as a transnational umbrella organization for the various organizations linked to the PKK, in theory it functions as the supreme authority but in practice the majority of political power remains in the hands of the PKK leadership

KJK
(Komalên Jinên Kurdistan / Kurdistan Communities of Women)
The sister organization to the KCK, the KJK was established to function as an umbrella organization for the various regional women's rights groups affiliated with the PKK.


SYRIA / ROJAVA:

PYD
(Partiya Yekîtiya Demokrat / Democratic Union Party)
Leader: Salih Muslim
Founded in 2003 following the PKK withdrawl from Syria in the late 1990's, the PYD is the Syrian arm of the KCK. The dominant political force in Syrian Kurdistan, it exerts a controlling influence over the YPG and other Kurdish self defence militias.

TEV-DEM
(Tevgera Civaka Demokratîk/ Movement For a Democratic Soceity)
Coalition of the PYD and various co-idelogues established to govern the Kurdish regions in Syria following the Regime withdrawal. Unilaterally established the three autonomous Kurdish cantons in Syria. Dominated by the PYD in practice.

KDPS
(Partiya Demokrat a Kurdistanê li Sûriyê / Kurdistan Democratic Part of Syria)
Leader: Abdel Hakim Bashar
Syrian affiliate to Massoud Barzani's KDP. Initially did not join the SNC as they wanted a guarantee of Kurdish cultural rights as a prerequisite to their participation in the opposition (which was not forthcoming), however they still favour joining the SNC and oppose the system of autonomous cantons established by TEV-DEM. Ideologically hostile to the PYD.

ENKS
(Encûmena Niştimanî ya Kurdî li Sûriyê / Kurdish National Council) - Also known as the KNC
An umbrella organization uniting the KDPS and various smaller Kurdish parties midwifed by Massoud Barzani following their withdrawal from the NCC. Do not participate in TEV-DEM's system of autonomous cantons and favour integration in the SNC with the caveat of upfront guarantees for Kurdish rights

DBK
(Desteya Bilind a Kurd / Kurdish Supreme Committee) - Also known as the KSC
Established in 2012, the DBK is a joint governing body composed of the PYD and the KNC created with the intention of administrating the Syrian Kurdish regions following the Regime withdrawal. In practice the DBK is defunct following in-fighting between the two factions who each argued that the other was seeking to marginalise it's influence. Exists in name only but has no power or influence.

YPG
(Yekîneyên Parastina Gel / People's Protection Units)
Established in 2004 as the armed wing of the PYD, the YPG was officially brought under the control of the DBK following it's creation in 2012 and now functions as the armed forces of the Supreme committee. In practice the YPG is still controlled by the PYD and has squeezed out all other armed Kurdish militias in the region. YPG units have also been deployed in Northern Iraq to assist the KRG.
Estimated Strength: 50,000 - 65,000

YPJ
(Yekîneyên Parastina Jinê / Women's Protection Units)
The all female sister organization to the YPG, some sources cite it as a brigade within the YPG while others label it a separate organization - the establishment of separate Women's groups is a common PKK/KCK practice and there is a similar lack of clarity concerning their official status.
Estimated Strength: ~7,500

Asayişa Rojavê
(Security)
Simply called Asayia (or Asayish), this is the internal police force established by the DBK. Again, in practice it is dominated by the PYD but also works closely with Assyrian groups in the region. Not to be confused with the KRG Asayish.
Estimated strength: ~4,000

Jabhat Al-Akrad
(Liwa' Jabhat al-'Akrad l-Nusrah Shaʿbnā al-Sūrī / Kurdish Front Brigade to Protect the Syrian People)
Formerly a brigade within the FSA composed of Kurdish and Arab defectors from the Syrian Army, Jabhat Al-Akrad was expelled from the FSA military council due to it's close co-operation with the PYD. Predominately active in Aleppo and Raqqa.
Estimated strength: ~7,000 (claimed)

SUP
(Syriac Union Party)
An opposition Assyrian party mainly active in Al-Hasakah, it's armed wing the Syriac Military Council (MFS) formerly integrated into the YPG in 2014

Sutoro
(Syriac Security Office)
An Assyrian self defence force formed to protect Assyrian neighbourhoods in al-Hasakah, they function as a police force and maintain internal security. Co-operate closely with the Kurdish Asayişa and have a tacit alliance with the YPJ.

Sootoro
(Syriac Protection Office)
A Qamishli based splinter faction from the SUP, the Sootoro perform the same function as the SUP's Sutoro but have aligned with the regime as opposed to the YPG


IRAQ / BAŞUR

KRG
(The Kurdistan Regional Government)
President: Massoud Barzani (KDP)
Prime minister: Nechirvan Barzani (KDP)
The government of the autonomous Kurdish region of Iraq

KDP
(Partîya Demokrata Kurdistanê / Kurdish Democratic Party)
Leader: Massoud Barzani
Founded by the legendary Kurdish resistance fighter Mustafa Barzani, the KDP grew to become one of the most influential Kurdish parties in the region. Led by the Barzani clan, one of the most powerful tribal groups in Northern Iraq that has weilded significant influence since the late 19th century. Perceived as being prone to corruption and driven by tribalist concerns, favours the expansion of the KRG into disputed territories considered historical Kurdish. It's forces and predominately deployed in it's traditional power base in the West of Iraqi Kurdistan centred around Duhok and Erbil
Estimated strength of KDP peshmerga: ~25,000

PUK
(Yekêtiy Niştîmaniy Kurdistan / Patriotic Union of Kurdistan)
Leader: Jalal Talabani
Founded by left wings figures in the KDP dissatisfied by the tribal and conservative approach of the KDP, the PUK is predominately based in the East of the Iraqi Kurdistan centred around Sulaymaniyah and draws support from a largely metropolitan base. Traditional rivals of the KDP, have a better relationship with the PKK and have developed closer ties with Iran to counter the KDP's developing relationship with Turkey. Deploys it's forces in the east of Iraqi Kurdistan and controls Kirkuk, a stronghold of PUK support.
Estimated strength of PUK peshmerga: ~25,000

Gorran
(Bizûtinewey‌ Gorran / Movement For Change)
A party formed to protest the corruption evident in the KRG, PDK and PUK. Gorran has steadily developed to become the second largest party in the region and has drawn a substantial number of votes away from the PUK in Sulaimaniyah and other areas traditionally under it's sphere of influence.

Unifed Peshmerga
Forces controlled by the Ministry of Peshmerga, these exclude party militias under the direct control of each party as indicated above.
Estimated strength: ~50,000 (Professional), 100,000 - 120,000 (volunteer)

Zeravani
A highly trained militarised police force under control of the KRG Ministry of the Interior (held by the KDP). In practice the Zeravani are loyal to the KDP and are one of the best equipped and trained units at their disposal. Initially a part of the Iraqi Federal police, much of their equipment and training was funded by the central government. Have been deployed in the East of Iraqi Kurdistan and have played a highly visible role in front-line operations against ISIS.
Estimated strength: ~25,000

Asayish
(Security)
The internal KRG security agency, the Asayish are responsible for combating internal terrorism and sabotage and have conducted raids against suspected ISIS militants within KRG controlled territory.

Dizha Tiror
(Anti-Terror) - Sometimes simply called DT
An anti-terrorim special forces unit under the control of the Asayish that is in practice loyal to the PUK. Commanded by Lahur Talabani, son of Jalal Talabani. DT is primarily composed of veterans of the PUK anti-terrorism forces trained by the CIA/US Special Forces for Operation Viking Hammer.

YBŞ
(Yekineyên Berxwedana Şengalê / Sinjar Resistance Units)
A Yazidi militia established in Sinjar following the YPG intervention in the region to secure an escape route for trapped civilians. Primarily trained and armed by the YPG, they have recently stoked controversy in the region by backing an autonomous Yazidi canton centred around Sinjar.
Estimated strength: >1,000

HPS
(Hêza Parastina Şingal / Sinjar Defence Forces)
A Yazidi self defence force led by Qasim Shesho, a renowned Yazidi elder. Independent of the KRG Peshmerga but co-operates closely with them in operations and has received arms and training.
Estimated strength: >2,000

NPF
(Nineveh Plain Forces)
A new Assyrian militia under the KRG Peshmerga command structure set-up to counter the recently created NPU. Assyrians in Nineveh are divided over the future of the region with some favouring integrating the area into the KRG to protect minority rights while others are suspicious of joining the KRG and favour remaining outside the region with some pressing the central government for complete regional autonomy
Estimated strength: ????

Dwekh Nawsha
Another Assyrian self defence milita based in the Nineveh Plain formed by the Assyrian Patriotic Party.
Estimated strength: ~250

NPU
(Nineveh Plain Units)
A new Assyrian militia created by the largest Assyrian party, the Assyrian Democratic Movement (or Zowaa), and partially funded by the Assyrian diaspora. Unaffiliated with the KRG and more openly hostile to the idea of integrating Nineveh into the KRG.
Estimated strength: ????

PÇDK
(Partî Çareserî Dîmukratî Kurdistan / Kurdistan Democratic Solution Party)
The Iraqi arm of the KCK. Tiny and powerless. Has been routinely suppressed by the KDP.
Estimated strength: I don't know - maybe like one guy or something?

TURKEY / BAKUR

PKK
(Partiya Karkerên Kurdistani / Kurdistan Workers Party)
Leader: Murat Karayılan
Commies turned Democratic Confederalists. Officially they have a ceasefire with the Turkish government but running tit-for-tat attacks persist and the PKK have begun to mobilize more openly in Turkish Kurdistan as tensions have begun to escalate. Leadership is based in the Qandil Mountains in Iraq.

HPG
(Hêza Parastina Gel / Peoples Defence Forces)
The armed wing of the PKK. Spread between it's bases in the Qandil Mountains, Turkey, Syrian Kurdistan and has units deployed in Sinjar, Kirkuk and elsewhere in Eastern Iraq including Mexmur and Gwer which are near a large refugee camp housing PKK fighters and supporters relocated from Turkey
Estimated Strength: 5,000 - 15,000 (recruitment has swelled in recent months and reliable figures are unavailable)

YJA-STAR
(Yekîneyên Jinên Azad ên Star/ Free Womens Units)
The all female branch of the HPG.
Estimated Strength: I dunno

YDG-H
(Yurtsever Devrimci Gençlik Hareketi / The Patriotic Revolutionary Youth Movement)
The youth wing of the PKK. Have become increasingly prominent in street protests in recent months and have taken a lead in anti-government riots, some have theorised that the PKK may be losing control of an increasingly radical youth movement that has grown tired with the slow rate of the peace process. Something to keep an eye on

TAK
(Teyrênbazê Azadiya Kurdistan / Kurdistan Freedom Hawks)
Suspected Leader: Bahoz Erdal
A hardline splinter faction of the PKK responsible for a high-profile bombing campaign targeting tourist destinations in 2006. They claim to be a completely independent organization but some commentators believe it to be a front used by the PKK for more questionable acts, a true splinter faction made of former members or an alias used by active members of the PKK displeased with the peace process. I think the latter is the most likely and a resurgence of TAK is possible if the hardline faction attempts to reassert themselves
Estimated strength: Like 12 guys probably.

BDP
(Barış ve Demokrasi Partisi / Peace and Democracy Party)
The largest Kurdish party in Turkey, the BDP officially calls for an end to the PKK's armed campaign and has played go-between for Ocalan and the PKK leadership in Iraq. Although officially not affiliated with the PKK and much more moderate than them policy wise, the BDP does draw support from PKK supporters and from former-supporters alienated by the PKK's totalitarian style of leadership. Has transformed into a purely local government party after the formation of the HDP.

HDP
(Halkların Demokratik Partisi / Peoples' Democratic Party)
Leader: Selahattin Demirtaş
A left-wing national political party formed from various Socialist groups and moderate Kurdish parties including the BDP. Champions of minority rights and democratic socialism - increasingly holding the balance of power in Turkish politics.

Hüda Par
(Hür Dava Partisi / Free Cause Party)
The successor party to the Islamist group Kurdish Hizbollah, Hüda Par argue for Kurdish cultural rights but have a long-running violent rivalry with the PKK (who they see as Godless communists). In the spotlight recently after clashes between the YDG-H and Hüda Par in South East Turkey.

IRAN / Rojhilat

PJAK
(Partiya Jiyana Azad a Kurdistanê / Party of Free Life of Kurdistan).
Iranian KCK affiliate. Largely based in Iraq's Qandil mountains though it maintains an active presence in Iran. Seemed to have a cease-fire with Iran negotiated after the capture of senior PKK leader Murat Karayılan who was subsequently released, this may now be broken as there have been inconsistent reports of recommencement of hostilities.

YRK
(Yekineyên Rojhilata Kurdistan / East Kurdistan Units)
Recently re-branded armed wing of PJAK. Unknown number of members in Iran, a couple of units deployed through Iraq and Syria assisting the PKK and YPG (specifically Kirkuk). PJAK/YRK flags are rare and it can be hard to identify their presence, Iran has applied pressure on the KRG to prevent the display of PJAK/YRK symbols to prevent them gaining legitimacy from resisting ISIS.
Estimated strength: ~2,000

HPJ
(Hêza Parastina Jinê / Women's Defence Force)
Come on, guess

KODAR
(Komelgay Dîmokratîk û Azadî Rojhelatî Kurdistan / Organisation of Free and Democratic Society for East Kurdistan)
An newly established political sub-unit of PJAK with the purpose of promoting Democratic Confederalism and working towards a negotiated settlement with Iran. Don't know much about these folks yet.


PDKI/KDPI
(Partî Dêmokiratî Kurdistanî Êran / Democratic Party of Iranian Kurdistan)
The largest and oldest Iranian Kurdish party founded in 1946 by Qazi Muhammad. Briefly controlled the short-lived Republic of Mahabad, one of the more successful attempts at Kurdish autonomy. The PDKI leadership (and a majority of it's membership) is in exile in Northern Iraq but a small fighting force does seem to be maintained across the border.
Estimated Strength: <5,000


KOMALA
(Komalay Shoreshgeri Zahmatkeshani Kurdistani Iran / Organization of Revolutionary Toilers of Iranian Kurdistan)
The Kurdish branch of the Communist Party of Iran, the second most popular Iranian Kurd party. Again, the parties leadership are in exile in Northern Iraq. Formerly staunch Marxist-Leninist they have drifted to the centre in recent years but still remain of the left, challenging the PDKI's more conservative stance.
Estimated Strength: ?

PAK
(Parti Azadi Kurdistan / Kurdistan Freedom Party)
A party so small that people often forget they exist. Not to be confused with two Syrian parties with the exact same name. An Iranian group party that has been in exile since the end of the Iran / Iraq war, based in Erbil in Northern Iraq. Frequently get mistaken for PJAK but are totally different dudes. Have a nice logo.
Estimated Strength: >500

Miltank posted:

How many of those are US designated terrorist organizations?

quote:

Turkey has already welcomed 200,000 people from Kobane, Erdoğan said yesterday while criticizing the Kurdish forces for bombing and ruining the town.

“There is no one there but they are bombing. Today, we see that they are dancing,” he said in reference to celebrations in Turkey’s Kurdish-dominated cities and in western metropoles. “What happened? DEAŞ [the Arabic acronym for ISIL] is out. That is OK but who will repair the places you have bombed?” he asked.

The world overreacted on the Kobane issue, he said, saying it had received more attention than Somalia, where he visited days ago.

Torpor posted:

What is the Kurdish manpower in Kobane? Theres some FSA, KRG, Al-akrad, and YPG, but those dont add up to a whole lot of people. I wonder how far they can press without getting spread too thin.

Volkerball posted: