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Nuclear Spoon
Aug 18, 2010


Gaddafi's Sirtenly not alive any more!

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Shanakin
Mar 26, 2010


roundmidnight posted:

Dictators either die in bed or on the streets. There's not a whole lot of room for anything else.

You forgot in the air - suspended from lamp posts.

Zeroisanumber
Oct 23, 2010


ThePutty posted:

It's almost sad, really. You see these dictators high on their podiums, with fancy clothes, a hundred bodyguards and seemingly intouchable. And now there's Gaddafi, shirtless, balding, covered in blood, dead on the concrete. I don't think any of us saw that one coming.

It is a pathetic sight, and the NTC should put a stop to it as soon as possible so that it doesn't start generating sympathy for Gaddafi.

Homer posted:

It is entirely seemly for a young man killed in battle to lie mangled by the bronze spear. In his death all things appear fair. But when dogs shame the gray head and gray chin and nakedness of an old man killed, it is the most piteous thing that happens among wretched mortals.

more like dICK
Feb 14, 2010

This is inevitable.


So Mahmoud Jibril will step down now since Sirte is liberated, correct? If he stalls it seems like the NTC would have a major credibility issue.

Nenonen
Oct 22, 2009



BeigeJacket posted:

Mao. Stalin.

Stalin had a stroke during sleep but didn't die immediately. His adjutants had orders to not disturb him while in his quarters, so it wasn't until the late evening that a crony wanted to see him and ordered the doors to be opened. He found him lying half paralyzed on the floor in a puddle of piss. Stalin was conscious but couldn't speak properly. Next, Beriya came to check him. Beriya had doctors called; it was already the next dawn by then. Only at that point he got a change to dry pyjamas. He died four days later.

So, there's that.

RobattoJesus
Aug 13, 2002

evening ladies


Nuclear Spoon posted:

Gaddafi's Sirtenly not alive any more!

Muammar mia!

henpod
Mar 7, 2008

Sir, we have located the Bioweapon.

How about our buddy Saif; news reports say he may have been in the convoy with his father. It would be interesting if he was captured, although I would be surprised if he makes it to a court.

mdemone
Mar 14, 2001

DEATH FART PITY FUCK


henpod posted:

How about our buddy Saif; news reports say he may have been in the convoy with his father. It would be interesting if he was captured, although I would be surprised if he makes it to a court.

There was an early claim that he was dead too, and that the other son is scrambling around in the desert somewhere.

Owlkill
Jul 1, 2009


roundmidnight posted:

Is he still alive in that first video?

I thought he might be at first - it's kind of hard to tell.

Nenonen
Oct 22, 2009



henpod posted:

How about our buddy Saif; news reports say he may have been in the convoy with his father. It would be interesting if he was captured, although I would be surprised if he makes it to a court.

Judging by his dad, it's not Saif for him in Libya!

Zeroisanumber
Oct 23, 2010


henpod posted:

How about our buddy Saif; news reports say he may have been in the convoy with his father. It would be interesting if he was captured, although I would be surprised if he makes it to a court.

There are reports that he was killed in a NATO airstrike outside of Bani Walid a few days ago and reports that his convoy was fighting it out with NTC troops on the road outside of Sirte a few hours ago.

I'm assuming that that means that no one knows what the gently caress is up with Saif.

suboptimal
Oct 27, 2008

Ba-dam ba-DUMMMMMM


Hey Brown Moses- how about Hannah for a name for your daughter?

henpod
Mar 7, 2008

Sir, we have located the Bioweapon.

Nenonen posted:

Judging by his dad, it's not Saif for him in Libya!

I should have seen that coming.

taupoke
Apr 26, 2008


HOLY SHIT I'M TRIPPING BALLS


I'm glad it was NTC fighters that got him. Puts a nice finality on it. Fare thee well Gadhafi, I know you have friends in the ANC who will mourn your passing!

henpod
Mar 7, 2008

Sir, we have located the Bioweapon.

I guess some world leaders are breathing a sigh of relief that he is dead instead of captured. I'm sure if he was in the dock, all kinds of secrets would have come spilling out about his dealings with Tony Blair and the others. I am sure though in the coming months we are going to be hearing about all kinds of poo poo.

Riptor
Apr 13, 2003

here's to feelin' good all the time


Muammar's not Gaddafeelin' so good

ThePutty
Jun 26, 2011

"You know how vodka or whiskey are distilled multiple times to taste good? It's the same with shit. After being digested for the third time shit starts to taste reeeeeeaaaally yummy."

henpod posted:

How about our buddy Saif; news reports say he may have been in the convoy with his father. It would be interesting if he was captured, although I would be surprised if he makes it to a court.

According to AJ, his convoy is currently surrounded by NTC fighters. So we'll be seeing him soon, dead or alive. Gaddafi is dead, and hopefully his sons will give us all the information about Gaddafi's reign over Libya.

marsattacks
Apr 2, 2011

Shooooooooosh

henpod posted:

How about our buddy Saif; news reports say he may have been in the convoy with his father. It would be interesting if he was captured, although I would be surprised if he makes it to a court.

Right now the Guardian is saying

The Guardian posted:

More news about Gaddafi's sons: Mutassim is reported to be injured but captured. Saif al-Islam is said to be under attack after fleeing Sirte.

cuppy tea
Feb 6, 2009


Funny how Gadaffi said he'd hunt down the rebels like rats and he met his end in a sewer pipe.

Ace Oliveira
Dec 27, 2009

"I wonder if there is beer on the sun."


henpod posted:

I guess some world leaders are breathing a sigh of relief that he is dead instead of captured. I'm sure if he was in the dock, all kinds of secrets would have come spilling out about his dealings with Tony Blair and the others. I am sure though in the coming months we are going to be hearing about all kinds of poo poo.

There will probably be. We already have all sorts of files and documents that the rebels found in Tripoli.

ThePutty posted:

According to AJ, his convoy is currently surrounded by NTC fighters. So we'll be seeing him soon, dead or alive. Gaddafi is dead, and hopefully his sons will give us all the information about Gaddafi's reign over Libya.

Morale must be high as gently caress right now.

Ultras Lazio
May 22, 2010

by Y Kant Ozma Post


Gaddafi's Sirtenly not alive any more!

Muammar mia!

it's not Saif for him in Libya!

I haven't stop giggling in 10 minutes. You're cracking me up. This is wrong.

I mean it's fun...er...it's not...gently caress...it is actually. What can I say!

Young Freud
Nov 25, 2006

My old avatar sucked anyway.

roundmidnight posted:

Is he still alive in that first video?

Yeah, it looks like his arm is moving in that video but I can't tell if that's from the impact of him hitting the ground or it's a real reaction.

Oh, congrats on your daughter, Brown Moses.

Young Freud fucked around with this message at Oct 20, 2011 around 15:26

marsattacks
Apr 2, 2011

Shooooooooosh

Ace Oliveira posted:

Morale must be high as gently caress right now.

Yeah.

Al Jazeera posted:





Jubilation outside the Libyan embassy in Tunisia: Libyan refugees gathered to celebrate the death of their former leader Muammar Gaddafi.



(Sorry, that probably isn't very relevant, I just wanted an excuse to post that picture)

reagan
Apr 29, 2008

jawohl mein fuhrer

Young Freud posted:

Yeah, it looks like his arm is moving in that video but I can't tell if that's from the impact of him hitting the ground or it's a real reaction.

It looks like he's barely alive in that still image that was posted. In the other one? Looks kinda dead.

ThePutty
Jun 26, 2011

"You know how vodka or whiskey are distilled multiple times to taste good? It's the same with shit. After being digested for the third time shit starts to taste reeeeeeaaaally yummy."

Middle-East in Revolt: Now flying to Syria!

Auritech
May 27, 2004

she sells freedom and arms eritrea

Well, this might be the last time I can play this song in context.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7jPsYAkKzjw

Young Freud
Nov 25, 2006

My old avatar sucked anyway.

Auritech posted:

Well, this might be the last time I can play this song in context.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7jPsYAkKzjw

Same here, brother, same here.

Patter Song
Mar 26, 2010

Hereby it is manifest that during the time men live without a common power to keep them all in awe, they are in that condition which is called war; and such a war as is of every man against every man.

I'm noticing a lot more confidence here re: Syria than I think might be justified. Do you guys seriously think the Assad regime's in real danger? It seems to me that they've managed to get the situation into a manageable state simply through rampant murder.

Al-Saqr
Nov 11, 2007


Sheikh of the Couch

ALJAZEERA LIVE UPDATE:

Well it looks Like Mu'tassim tried to fight his captors and escape but he got killed in the process

Looks like it's just Seif Left, please god let him live so we can see him cry.

Chortles
Dec 29, 2008


Al-Saqr posted:

ALJAZEERA LIVE UPDATE:

Well it looks Like Mu'tassim tried to fight his captors and escape but he got killed in the process

Looks like it's just Seif Left, please god let him live so we can see him cry.
Whatever happened to Saadi again?

farraday
Jan 10, 2007

Lower those eyebrows, young man. And the other one.

Middle-East in Revolt: Celebrating Qaddafi's death with pink cigars

With only a bare handful of days before the Tunisian elections I wonder if this will effect those. There were definitely deaths from border violence in the Revolution and just the general euphoria perceived accomplishment could help increase turnout.

Definitely likely to see an upswing in tension/violence in other states.

spikenigma
Nov 13, 2005
There is no knowledge that is not power...

Not very classy dragging his corpse through the streets.

...but then I remember all the mass graves and the fact that every Libiyan is probably 0-2 people removed from someone he and is henchmen have tortured/killed.

5er
Jun 1, 2000



I noticed that the 'gadhafi dead' thread got righteously gassed, but I wanted to get in one reply to someone that addressed something I said:

Crash Bandicoot posted:

For the benefit of somebody who is shamefully ignorant about Gadaffi's regime, would you mind outlining specifically why his death is such a great day for those of us in the West?

I said nothing about it being a great day for anyone anywhere- although I sure hope on behalf of all the jubilant Libyans we're seeing reported on, it is in fact a good thing for them. I was simply stating that, as someone that reads the news, I 'cared', I was concerned.
I know it won't mean much to my cushy Western civilization living conditions (quite comfortable though I dangerously straddle the line between impoverished and lower middle class according to some census somewhere). I can still hope that lives will improve for those directly affected, and that Libya's power vacuum isn't filled by a new cause for the citizen's suffering.

I expect there are plenty conservative-slant media sycophants that will probably go out and buy a cake and have some kind of poor-taste death-day party over an event that has little direct impact over their lives, but that's not everyone. People like that, I consider to be assholes, too. Some folks here are a bit prone to overgeneralizing and knee-jerk, poorly supported indignation. I was intending to express that a Westerner can in fact be concerned about the news of a killed despot in a distant country, without also being a degree of bloodthirsty ultranational jingoist.

Fog Tripper
Mar 3, 2008



Riptor posted:

Muammar's not Gaddafeelin' so good

He thought he'd Gadhafeasy.





VVVV

Fog Tripper fucked around with this message at Oct 20, 2011 around 16:19

Onion Vanguard
Jun 11, 2010

Breathe in. Breathe out.

I actually can't believe this happened. I thought the rebels had more sense or mercy... Just for christ sake. It's horrific.

B B
Dec 1, 2005



Zorba the Greek posted:

I actually can't believe this happened. I thought the rebels had more sense or mercy... Just for christ sake. It's horrific.

Wikipedia posted:

In 1969, Gaddafi created Revolutionary committees to keep tight control over internal dissent. Ten to 20 percent of Libyans worked as informants for these committees. Surveillance took place in the government, in factories, and in the education sector.[39] People who formed a political party were executed, and talking about politics with foreigners was punishable by up to 3 years in jail. Arbitrary arrests were common and Libyans were hesitant to speak with foreigners.[40] The government conducted executions and mutilations of political opponents in public and broadcast recordings of the proceedings on state television. Dissent was illegal under Law 75 of 1973, which denied freedom of expression.[39][41] In 2010, Libya's press was rated as 160th out of 178 nations in the Press Freedom Index by Reporters without borders.[42]

During the 1970s, Libya executed members of the Islamist fundamentalist Hizb-ut Tahrir faction, and Gaddafi often personally presided over the executions.[43][44] Libya faced internal opposition during the 1980s because of its highly unpopular war with Chad. Numerous young men cut off a fingertip to avoid conscription at the time.[45] A mutiny by the Libyan Army in Tobruk was violently suppressed in August 1980.[46]

From time to time Gaddafi responded to external opposition with violence. Between 1980 and 1987, Gaddafi employed his network of diplomats and recruits to assassinate at least 25 critics living abroad.[39][47] His revolutionary committees called for the assassination of Libyan dissidents living abroad in April 1980, sending Libyan hit squads abroad to murder them. On 26 April 1980 Gaddafi set a deadline of 11 June 1980 for dissidents to return home or be "in the hands of the revolutionary committees".[48] Gaddafi stated explicitly in 1982 that "It is the Libyan people's responsibility to liquidate such scums who are distorting Libya's image abroad."[49] Libyan agents have assassinated dissidents in the United States,[50] Europe,[51] and the Middle East.[39][49][52]


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Crimes against humanity arrest warrant

The UN referred the massacres of unarmed civilians to the International Criminal Court.[219] Among the crimes being investigated by the prosecution was whether Gaddafi purchased and authorized the use of Viagra-like drugs among soldiers for the purpose of raping women and instilling fear.[220] His government's heavy-handed approach to quelling the protests was characterized by the International Federation for Human Rights as a strategy of scorched earth. The acts of "indiscriminate killings of civilians" was charged as crimes against humanity, as defined in Article 7 of the Rome Statute of the International Criminal Court.[221]

The International Criminal Court (ICC) issued arrest warrants on 27 June 2011 for Gaddafi, his son Saif al-Islam, and his brother-in-law Abdullah al-Senussi, head of state security for charges, concerning crimes against humanity.[1][222][223] According to Matt Steinglass of The Financial Times the charges call for Gaddafi, and his two co-conspirators, to "stand trial for the murder and persecution of demonstrators by Libyan security forces since the uprising based in the country’s east that began in February."

Libyan officials rejected the ICC's authority, saying that the ICC has "no legitimacy whatsoever" and that "all of its activities are directed at African leaders".[224] A Libyan government representative, justice minister Mohammed al-Qamoodi, responded by saying, "The leader of the revolution and his son do not hold any official position in the Libyan government and therefore they have no connection to the claims of the ICC against them ..."[222] This makes Gaddafi the second still-serving state-leader to have warrants issued against them, the first being Omar al-Bashir of Sudan.[223]

Russia and other countries, including China and Germany, abstained from voting in the UN[225] and have not joined the NATO coalition, which has taken action in Libya by bombing the government's forces. Mikhail Margelov, the Kremlin special representative for Africa, speaking in an interview for Russian newspaper Izvestia, said that the "Kremlin accepted that Col Gaddafi [sic] had no political future and that his family would have to relinquish its vice-like grip on the Libyan economy."[226] He also said that "It is quite possible to solve the situation without the colonel."[226]

5er
Jun 1, 2000



Zorba the Greek posted:

I actually can't believe this happened. I thought the rebels had more sense or mercy... Just for christ sake. It's horrific.

You've got a bunch of people amped and primed, ready to die or kill. Regardless of the cause, that needed some kind of outlet, and who better than the inargued enemy? It's awful, I agree with you, and I do wish people were capable of more restraint, but I don't put the circumstances as unbelievable, myself.

Fog Tripper
Mar 3, 2008



Just watched a guy spraying machinegun rounds into the sky in celebration, and the guy next to him getting a face-full of hot brass.

Fun turns to tragedy!


I suspect Zombie Gadhafi will be a hit this halloween.

Stoatbringer
Sep 15, 2004

naw, you love it
you little ho-bot


quote:

For the benefit of somebody who is shamefully ignorant about Gadaffi's regime, would you mind outlining specifically why his death is such a great day for those of us in the West?

For one thing, Gaddafi was a keen sponsor of terrorist groups (e.g. the IRA, among others), so hopefully Libya will eventually become much more friendly to the West. However, I understand quite a few African countries thought he was a great guy, and some of them may not be too happy about Libya's new management.

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Nenonen
Oct 22, 2009



Chortles posted:

Whatever happened to Saadi again?

He's Saadi after a loss in the family.

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