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I had originally heard that they were being evacuated or otherwise fleeing the consulate in a car that was hit by an RPG, but CNN is reporting that what actually happened was an RPG set the the building on fire and they succumbed to smoke inhalation trying to reach the roof. That seems less awful, at least. 
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I was stunned and greatly saddened to hear of Vilerat's death. He was a reasonable mod and reasonable man in the best sense; even when you didn't agree with his stance, it was a reasoned one.
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Sep 12, 2012 18:42
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SpaceMost posted:I had originally heard that they were being evacuated or otherwise fleeing the consulate in a car that was hit by an RPG, but CNN is reporting that what actually happened was an RPG set the the building on fire and they succumbed to smoke inhalation trying to reach the roof. Choking to death doesn't sound less awful than being blown up.
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Sep 12, 2012 18:42
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Here's a State Department video of the ambassador for his work in Libya: http://youtu.be/WGk4vUcGzY0
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Sep 12, 2012 18:43
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whydirt posted:Here's a State Department video of the ambassador for his work in Libya: The comment section's looking amazing already
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Sep 12, 2012 18:44
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Cephalocidal posted:Choking to death doesn't sound less awful than being blown up. Hell, if anything it's even worse. You'd never see the RPG coming, and it'd be quick. I can't possibly imagine the terror of being trapped in a burning building.
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Sep 12, 2012 18:45
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To cross-post a little from the Dutch election thread, where people are too busy with the poll results to think about this stuff: If you guys are already doing goon detective work about this Becile guy, could anyone let me know if you happen to figure out how the Dutch are connected to this? Found this on the BBC Middle East liveblog and it's making me a bit nervous: Egyptian blogger Zeinobia posted:Strangely and amazingly I found out that Hamazmoon group is calling for another huge protest at the embassy of Netherlands demanding its closure because the Dutch government is producing an insult film against Islam! The Smithsonian says that it has something to do with the director being compared to the Dutch director Theo van Gogh, and Dutch diplomats have issued statements denying any connection between the Netherlands and the film. (Mr. Van Gogh was assassinated in 2004 for making anti-Islam film.) I'm pretty sure it's just some confusion, but I would hate for a repeat of this nonsensical violence.
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Sep 12, 2012 18:46
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I didn't like Vile Rat as a moderator or as a political commentator. It's really weird to hear Hillary Clinton talking about him. Still, rest in peace.
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Sep 12, 2012 18:47
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Brown Moses posted:A number of journalists on Twitter have noted the film-maker Sam Bacile doesn't have appeared to exist before these recent events, guessing it's a pseudonym for some other arsehole. Go to it, goon detectives! Why does it even matter who he is? He didn't do anything illegal. Some radical muslims got their panties in a bunch and threw a hissy fit while attacking innocents. Sure he's a goddamned moron, but who he is or what the film is about shouldn't loving matter at all. South Park does this poo poo every single show, there is no difference. The focus should be on the subhumans who decided murder and terrorism was a rational response to a movie that offended them.
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Sep 12, 2012 18:47
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ryan8723 posted:Why does it even matter who he is? He didn't do anything illegal. Some radical muslims got their panties in a bunch and threw a hissy fit while attacking innocents. It matters if the terrorists who attacked the consulates were actually the creators of the film.
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Sep 12, 2012 18:49
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menino posted:Here's a rundown on his identity so far: Svartvit posted:His "movie" is set in Egypt too so pretty clearly at least he/she/them are connected to Egypt. Could be anyone in other words...
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Sep 12, 2012 18:50
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international owl day posted:It matters if the terrorists who attacked the consulates were actually the creators of the film.  What? This is news to me.
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Sep 12, 2012 18:51
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ryan8723 posted:
This remains unproven; however evidence has begun to support this theory.
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Sep 12, 2012 18:52
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ryan8723 posted:
Just speculation. It's important to know who made the film because it is now apparent that they are deliberately obfuscating and were trying to incite violence by claiming to be Jewish and getting Jewish backing.
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Sep 12, 2012 18:52
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international owl day posted:It matters if the terrorists who attacked the consulates were actually the creators of the film. That is unlikely. Its more likely just (christian) bigots.
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Sep 12, 2012 18:53
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international owl day posted:This remains unproven; however evidence has begun to support this theory. Like what? RIP Vilerat. The world is really weird
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Sep 12, 2012 18:55
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ryan8723 posted:
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Sep 12, 2012 18:55
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ComradeCosmobot posted:Just speculation. It's important to know who made the film because it is now apparent that they are deliberately obfuscating and were trying to incite violence by claiming to be Jewish and getting Jewish backing. This would be some hosed up "Usual Suspects" level poo poo, right here.
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Sep 12, 2012 18:55
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ComradeCosmobot posted:Just speculation. It's important to know who made the film because it is now apparent that they are deliberately obfuscating and were trying to incite violence by claiming to be Jewish and getting Jewish backing. If this is true, then it's a huge deal. You're right that it is important if this is true. Only if it's not true and just some idiot, does it not really matter. I doubt the terrorist are that skilled in deception though.
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Sep 12, 2012 18:55
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ryan8723 posted:I doubt the terrorist are that skilled in deception though. Would it really be that elaborate of a ruse? edit: I guess it would be quite the ruse; I hadn't seen it suggested anywhere else however. Matoi Ryuko fucked around with this message at 19:07 on Sep 12, 2012 |
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Sep 12, 2012 18:56
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OneEightHundred posted:Plus it was produced in English by actors with American accents. Well, it would be pretty silly if they were attempting to convince people they were american if they spoke in heavy arabic.
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Sep 12, 2012 18:57
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CharlestheHammer posted:That is unlikely. Its more likely just (christian) bigots. Indeed. The fact that Steve Klein, an advisor on the film, was recently uncovered as one of the people associated with Concerned Citizens for the First Amendment, a known anti-Islamic group in Southern California, makes it more, rather than less, likely that this is the case. That doesn't make the mystery of Sam Bacile any less important to resolve, however.
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Sep 12, 2012 18:59
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Acebuckeye13 posted:Hell, if anything it's even worse. You'd never see the RPG coming, and it'd be quick. I can't possibly imagine the terror of being trapped in a burning building. Speaking as someone who has been, I would never remotely wish that even on my worst enemy. It's awful.
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Sep 12, 2012 19:00
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I'm new to SA and haven't been around long enough to get to know VR. His loss, for me, strikes pretty close to home. In 2010, I worked in a Muslim nation of the Comoros in East Africa as part of a military deployment. There was a political assassination and an attempted coup while we were there. I knew help was 18 hours away and we were a small, unarmed team, that was helping with anti-piracy and other humanitarian projects. During my time there, Terry Jones was trying to do his Koran burning thing and that sent people into an uproar. They didn't understand how it was legal to burn the Koran, the Bible, or any other religious text in the USA. I hated Terry Jones and the damage he caused in my relations with the people I worked with. Happily for me, many of them were intelligent in knew a demagogue when they saw one. The Kahled Mattawa post is awesome as it highlights the complexity of politics half a world away. So, prayers and condolences to VR's family from me.
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Sep 12, 2012 19:03
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Fog Tripper posted:Well, it would be pretty silly if they were attempting to convince people they were american if they spoke in heavy arabic.
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Sep 12, 2012 19:03
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I had to get to bed early last night and was busy this morning, but drat, RIP Vilerat. This is terrible news. My sympathies to his family.
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Sep 12, 2012 19:06
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Caro joins the actual front line battles in Libya but Vilerat dies doing IT work? What the christ
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Sep 12, 2012 19:08
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OneEightHundred posted:I can't tell if this is sarcastic or not but the point is that it was probably produced in the US, with the cooperation of American talent, which means some really heavy conspiracy theory poo poo needs to be woven together to make a regional Salafist militia responsible for its production. Indeed, The Atlantic just put out something which quotes a second interview with Steve Klein, stating that Sam Bacile is a pseudonym, most probably not Jewish or Israeli, and suggesting that the real Sam Bacile is a collection of American Copts and Evangelicals originally from Muslim countries (which furthermore suggests that they are probably converted Muslims) ComradeCosmobot fucked around with this message at 19:13 on Sep 12, 2012 |
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Sep 12, 2012 19:09
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OneEightHundred posted:
Said it was set in Egypt, not filmed.
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Sep 12, 2012 19:10
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OneEightHundred posted:I can't tell if this is sarcastic or not but the point is that it was probably produced in the US, with the cooperation of American talent, which means some really heavy conspiracy theory poo poo needs to be woven together to make a regional Salafist militia responsible for its production. Not really. I doubt that the whole "shady Muslim extremists financing black propaganda" thing is what actually happened, but if there was a conspiracy it wouldn't need to be so crazy. It could be done with a couple of emails and Skype calls ("hey, Reverend Jones, we're Middle Eastern Christians/Israeli Jews and big fans of your anti-Islam videos, honest") and a wire transfer to his bank account. It doesn't fit the MO of the Salafist groups behind the attack, but if they did want to do it, it wouldn't be very hard. Space Gopher fucked around with this message at 19:17 on Sep 12, 2012 |
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Sep 12, 2012 19:15
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Space Gopher posted:It doesn't fit the MO of the Salafist groups behind the attack What is known about this group? Have they undergone any changes in leadership lately?
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Sep 12, 2012 19:20
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Isn't it customary to permaban people who have passed away? (USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST)
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Sep 12, 2012 19:42
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Isn't it customary to not be a nitpicking rear end in a top hat when someone's died?
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Sep 12, 2012 19:42
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kylejack posted:Isn't it customary to permaban people who have passed away? Thanks for allowing that to be your chief concern after also notifying us that you didn't like him.
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Sep 12, 2012 19:43
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PowderKeg posted:anyone have a link for this? I have a friend on FB with a "wheres the muslin outrage??!!?" post that needs this in the comments. There's these guys They're posting a call to Libyans to condemn the violence.
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Sep 12, 2012 19:43
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No, it's not my chief concern, just something I wondered about. As I said, Rest In Peace, nobody should have to go like this.
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Sep 12, 2012 19:44
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That's true, as Ozma noted, your chief concern was to remind everyone that you didn't like him. Thanks for letting us know!
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Sep 12, 2012 19:46
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Gonna miss you Vilerat. Yelling at the Chargers with you was always a good time. God I am so bummed right now. E: gently caress you kylejack
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quote:Israel says filmmaker behind anti-Muhammad movie is not a citizen So it's pretty clear it's a fake pseudonym for one person or a group of people.
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kylejack posted:No, it's not my chief concern, just something I wondered about. As I said, Rest In Peace, nobody should have to go like this. gently caress you shut the gently caress up.
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