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Xandu posted:I could see it happening. Didn't some journalists in Afghanistan accidently buy a used computer at some electronics store with a bunch of AQ or Taliban secrets on it? Funny how that poo poo happens. I remember reading about how after a US tank had to be scuttled in the attack on Baghdad, someone found its Blue Force Tracker- a super duper sensitive piece of equipment that shows the position of every friendly unit with a similar device- on sale at a junk market a few months later.
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Randandal posted:I'm thankful that at least somebody believes Assad has surrendered most of his chemical arsenal. Trust but verify - can you cite a source that Assad hasn't surrendered his worst stuff (Sarin/VX) in a PR move after using it last year? The recent attacks have been with chlorine, haven't they?
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McDowell posted:Trust but verify - can you cite a source that Assad hasn't surrendered his worst stuff (Sarin/VX) in a PR move after using it last year? The recent attacks have been with chlorine, haven't they? The minor attack on the anniversary of Ghouta had people frothing at the mouth and symptoms more consistent with sarin than chlorine.
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Brown Moses posted:Also looks like Assad is celebrating the 1 year anniversery of the Sarin attack by doing another chemical attack in the same area Brown Moses posted:Doesn't look like chlorine, and those attacks have been limited to areas in Idlib and Hama, so I'm guessing this is something else.
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The only way to stop a bad guy with WMD is a good guy with WMD - why wouldn't Israel bomb the poo poo out of ISIL if they look like they are about to get a hold on whatever Assad has left? Assuming Assad doesn't launch it against Israel as a good bye kiss. Getting it to a Western Target, especially America, would still be logistically difficult if they did have the materials. But history has shown that hysterical fear about what could happen is the best approach. The smoking gun could be a mushroom cloud!
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McDowell posted:The only way to stop a bad guy with WMD is a good guy with WMD - why wouldn't Israel bomb the poo poo out of ISIL if they look like they are about to get a hold on whatever Assad has left? Assuming Assad doesn't launch it against Israel as a good bye kiss. Getting it to a Western Target, especially America, would still be logistically difficult if they did have the materials. But history has shown that hysterical fear about what could happen is the best approach. The smoking gun could be a mushroom cloud! oh my god are you for real 
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McDowell posted:The only way to stop a bad guy with WMD is a good guy with WMD - why wouldn't Israel bomb the poo poo out of ISIL if they look like they are about to get a hold on whatever Assad has left? Assuming Assad doesn't launch it against Israel as a good bye kiss. Getting it to a Western Target, especially America, would still be logistically difficult if they did have the materials. But history has shown that hysterical fear about what could happen is the best approach. The smoking gun could be a mushroom cloud! I love you.
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Ah, yes! The Lethal Weapon Doctrine. The only way to beat ISIS' crazy is to be even crazier.
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McDowell posted:The only way to stop a bad guy with WMD is a good guy with WMD - why wouldn't Israel bomb the poo poo out of ISIL if they look like they are about to get a hold on whatever Assad has left? Assuming Assad doesn't launch it against Israel as a good bye kiss. Getting it to a Western Target, especially America, would still be logistically difficult if they did have the materials. But history has shown that hysterical fear about what could happen is the best approach. The smoking gun could be a mushroom cloud! 
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McDowell posted:The only way to stop a bad guy with WMD is a good guy with WMD - why wouldn't Israel bomb the poo poo out of ISIL if they look like they are about to get a hold on whatever Assad has left? Assuming Assad doesn't launch it against Israel as a good bye kiss. Getting it to a Western Target, especially America, would still be logistically difficult if they did have the materials. But history has shown that hysterical fear about what could happen is the best approach. The smoking gun could be a mushroom cloud! I guess Caligula really was your best role.
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We don't have a horse for a senator yet, there's still hope.
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Full Battle Rattle posted:We don't have a horse for a senator yet, there's still hope. horses would be a tremendous improvement
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When GiP is aghast you've achieved...well I don't know. Good job seems inadequate.
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Just been checking out some new TOW ATGM videos, and there's now over 100 videos posted by the Syrian opposition showing them using TOW ATGMs, probably more than any other type of ATGM.
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McDowell posted:The only way to stop a bad guy with WMD is a good guy with WMD - why wouldn't Israel bomb the poo poo out of ISIL if they look like they are about to get a hold on whatever Assad has left? Assuming Assad doesn't launch it against Israel as a good bye kiss. Getting it to a Western Target, especially America, would still be logistically difficult if they did have the materials. But history has shown that hysterical fear about what could happen is the best approach. The smoking gun could be a mushroom cloud! The prophecy is in you, keep going
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McDowell posted:The only way to stop a bad guy with WMD is a good guy with WMD - why wouldn't Israel bomb the poo poo out of ISIL if they look like they are about to get a hold on whatever Assad has left? Assuming Assad doesn't launch it against Israel as a good bye kiss. Getting it to a Western Target, especially America, would still be logistically difficult if they did have the materials. But history has shown that hysterical fear about what could happen is the best approach. The smoking gun could be a mushroom cloud! Humanity is loving doomed if you ever get near the button.
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Overheard an unusual conversation at work Wednesday. I work as a bartender at a hotel in Israel, and this conversation occurred during a really quiet night shift on Wednesday. One of the hotels guests who I've seen around this summer with his daughters, a Jewish man from the UK, probably in his mid 40s, sat down at a table near the bar with two Israelis (a woman of about 50 years of age, and a man of the same). We'll call them Uno, Dos, and Tres respectively. I can't quite remember where the conversation started, but it must have been interesting cause I started to pay attention. I even took out paper, and a pen when I realized this wasn't the typical lobby bar conversation. This is basically what I managed to gather from the conversation: - Uno is from North Western England, studied at Oxford, and was introduced to some kind of on-campus club or society by someone named "Jeff Tantum" (a name he mentioned again and again during the conversation, and I think he might be referring to http://powerbase.info/index.php/Geoffrey_Tantum). The name of the club or society sounded like "Traveler's club", but I can't say with any certainty. He seemed to relate to this Tantum guy as a kind of mentor. - Uno claimed to be involved in a business venture with someone in the Obama admin. named Steve Simon (presumably this guy http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Simon). In this connection he also mentioned a man named Gilad, and a contact they had in the US Coast Gaurd, whom Gilad was angry with for some reason. He may have said something about Steve Simon being in the NSA. - The Saudi's were also mentioned quite liberally through out the conversation. At first something about Saudi medicine, then a shopping mall, and after that Saudi involvement with Citibank. Towards the end of the conversation Uno mentioned being at a "party" at Steve Simon's house in which someone named Mohammed introduced them to high ranking members of the al Saud family. - There was a lot of talk about a company called Good Harbor, but I couldn't make out the details (he emphasized the name repeatedly to indicate its importance). Someone named Dick Clark from the Clinton admin. was also mentioned, and that he was a homosexual (probably this guy http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_A._Clarke). - Besides all of the above, all I can remember was that Tres knew someone named John Scarlet (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Scarlett), Uno mentioned investing in "emerging Europe" (specifically Greece, the mention of which elicited heaps of sarcastic laughter from the three), and a lot was said about pharmaceuticals (possibly in connection with the Saudis). - Dos and Tres did very little talking, especially Dos. Tres was an older man, but strongly built, and gave the impression of being a military officer or a Mossad man. I also got the impression that they were all meeting for the first time, and that it was at the behest of Uno. At the end of the convo they all shook hands, and Uno said something along the lines of (paraphrasing): "this meeting will be very profitable for us, as each of us has useful connections that the other needs". I'm halfway through reading "House of Bush, House of Saud" at the moment, and this was super weird to overhear. This all sounds like some Carlyle Group type poo poo. Can anyone make heads or tails of this? edit: changed "at work today" to "at work Wednesday". Don't know why I wrote today. Oops. juan fitzcarraldo fucked around with this message at 10:26 on Aug 30, 2014 |
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juan fitzcarraldo posted:Overheard an unusual conversation at work today. This better not be one of those weird online mystery marketing campaigns for some political thriller film out next year. ....Although if it is, um more hints please.
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dr_rat posted:This better not be one of those weird online mystery marketing campaigns for some political thriller film out next year. Nope, I was honestly surprised when I went home and looked up the names he mentioned, and they turned out to be real people. Until Wednesday I thought he was just some dude on vacation with his two teenage daughters. Just the other week he had a huge family gathering type thing in the lobby area. Some 30 people showed up. edit: also, I realize how cartoonish some of this sounds, but this is Israel, a small country with (probably) an out of proportion amount of secret service types. I mentioned this to one of the other bartenders, and she said these kind of people regularly make appearances at the hotel. juan fitzcarraldo fucked around with this message at 10:19 on Aug 30, 2014 |
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Any idea which rebel faction is attacking those Filipino peacekeepers in Golan?
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kustomkarkommando posted:A chunk of fighters from Ansar Al-Islam (a predominately Kurdish Islamist group who operate along the Iran-Iraq border) just gave bay'ah to ISIS a couple of days ago, that's a bit far north for them though but they have developed a web of sympathizers on the Iranian side of the border. Could be connected? Uh, what does 'giving bay'ah' mean? I take it from the pictures that they welcomed them?
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illrepute posted:Any idea which rebel faction is attacking those Filipino peacekeepers in Golan? Israeli media is reporting it's al Nusra.
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Phlegmish posted:Uh, what does 'giving bay'ah' mean? I take it from the pictures that they welcomed them? Bay'ah
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juan fitzcarraldo posted:Overheard an unusual conversation at work Wednesday. I work as a bartender at a hotel in Israel, and this conversation occurred during a really quiet night shift on Wednesday. One of the hotels guests who I've seen around this summer with his daughters, a Jewish man from the UK, probably in his mid 40s, sat down at a table near the bar with two Israelis (a woman of about 50 years of age, and a man of the same). We'll call them Uno, Dos, and Tres respectively. I can't quite remember where the conversation started, but it must have been interesting cause I started to pay attention. I even took out paper, and a pen when I realized this wasn't the typical lobby bar conversation. This is basically what I managed to gather from the conversation:
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Berke Negri posted:When GiP is aghast you've achieved...well I don't know. Good job seems inadequate. I wasnt aghast. I was stunned and oddly turned on. But I was phone posting and don't have all the smilies memorize so I couldn't post  Its a pretty amazing post really. I mean its not my style, since I'm more on the conventional carpet bombing for weeks on end side.. But hey. To each their own.
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SedanChair posted:The prophecy is in you, keep going Whoever described mcdowell as DnDs mad oracle basically nailed it.
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Berke Negri posted:When GiP is aghast you've achieved...well I don't know. Good job seems inadequate. My main annoyance is the 'laptop of doom' - the media sensationalism that is a big part of the War on Terror and has gotten us into this mess. Then Volkerball and others started their neocon pearl clutching about how we can only assume the worst about bad guys and WMDs. Israel has bombed Regime targets before to keep arms from getting into the hands of Hezbollah, if it looked like ISIL was about the overwhelm Assad they could be expected to act. If that were to fail ISIL would still have to get their new chemical weapons across a number of borders and oceans that have been specifically fortified for the past 10 years against that kind of activity. If they somehow dodged all law enforcement and could adapt the Assad arsensal into an IED they could kill a few thousand people, hardly an existensial threat. But that rational consideration doesn't figure into yellow journalism and security state propaganda. Be afraid, be very afraid.
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McDowell posted:My main annoyance is the 'laptop of doom' - the media sensationalism that is a big part of the War on Terror and has gotten us into this mess. Then Volkerball and others started their neocon pearl clutching about how we can only assume the worst about bad guys and WMDs. Israel has bombed Regime targets before to keep arms from getting into the hands of Hezbollah, if it looked like ISIL was about the overwhelm Assad they could be expected to act. If that were to fail ISIL would still have to get their new chemical weapons across a number of borders and oceans that have been specifically fortified for the past 10 years against that kind of activity. If they somehow dodged all law enforcement and could adapt the Assad arsensal into an IED they could kill a few thousand people, hardly an existensial threat. I'm a little sleep deprived, but none of this makes any sense?
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Snipee posted:none of this makes any sense? welcome to McDowell
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Snipee posted:I'm a little sleep deprived, but none of this makes any sense? A bit too stream-of-thoughty [which I'm now realizing is a recurring trend...], but what that poster is saying is that there are so many roadblocks between biological wmds and IS that it's an utterly retarded concept full stop. The media needs a story, and it will create one for us to be scared about. emanresu tnuocca posted:Israeli media is reporting it's al Nusra. What a relief! i am harry fucked around with this message at 16:14 on Aug 30, 2014 |
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juan fitzcarraldo posted:Overheard an unusual conversation at work Wednesday. Another successful contract!
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i am harry posted:A bit too stream-of-thoughty [which I'm now realizing is a recurring trend...], but what that poster is saying is that there are so many roadblocks between biological wmds and IS that it's an utterly retarded concept full stop. The media needs a story, and it will create one for us to be scared about. Well, his theory that Israel will somehow be able to bomb the chemical weapons out of ISIS's hands is a little ridiculous. The Osiris reactor incident was possible because there was a big, permanent, easily identifiable place to bomb, and IIRC, the air defenses hadn't been completely set up when the Israelis struck. Chemical weapons are easier to make, easier to hide, and probably don't show up on google maps.
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Snipee posted:I'm a little sleep deprived, but none of this makes any sense? In your heart you know he's truthy.
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SedanChair posted:The prophecy is in you, keep going There's nothing to prophecize, there is no future anymore, we only live in the present. I also wasn't refering to an Israeli strike on reactors, but multiple incidents in the civil war where a mystery airforce bombed Regime/Hezbollah get-togethers. If Assad is about to fall to ISIL he could attack Israel or Israel could act preemptively to deny ISIL of regime assets.
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sullat posted:Well, his theory that Israel will somehow be able to bomb the chemical weapons out of ISIS's hands is a little ridiculous. The Osiris reactor incident was possible because there was a big, permanent, easily identifiable place to bomb, and IIRC, the air defenses hadn't been completely set up when the Israelis struck. Chemical weapons are easier to make, easier to hide, and probably don't show up on google maps. Osirak, not Osiris - Although we DO currently have a group called 'ISIS' messing up the neighborhood, so you are excused for being confused. Edit: I complain about other people's posts, but cannot even spell 'Osiris' correctly myself! Gniwu fucked around with this message at 17:08 on Aug 30, 2014 |
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Talks between the Sunni's and Shia's on the new Iraqi government have broken down for the time being. Sunni bloc wants 40% of the posts in the government, Shia bloc says that's impossible. CIA World Factbook has Sunni population of Iraq at somewhere between 32-37% of the arab population. So taking into account the 15-20% Kurdish population, they're less than 30% of the country.
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Xandu posted:Bahrain just denied Maryam Alkhawaja entry, claiming she doesn't have citizenship. She went anyways, and she was arrested. Sounds like they are charging her with insulting the king and assaulting the police.
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