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My Imaginary GF posted:The current generation is too far gone to deprogram. You have to focus on the next generation in order to achieve some semblance of cost-effectiveness. Far easier to remove the current generation from your policy considerations. The MIGF solution to everything: Remove the current generation.
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Ragingsheep posted:The MIGF solution to everything: Remove the current generation. Rather, do not consider the current generation in future considerations: Applied game theory where the opposing forces are not repeat players in policy matters.
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Guildencrantz posted:More on topic: now with reinforcements on the way, airdropped supplies, and airstrikes being taken semi-seriously, is ISIS well and truly hosed in Kobane? The past few weeks have shown they're not playing to their strengths there (we're a mechanized force that relies on fear, let's attack a cornered and determined enemy in a city! THE PLAN IS FLAWLESS). Without overwhelming numbers or the ability to starve the defenders out, I can't see them taking the city in any reasonable timeframe. Naw, ISIS is hosed in Kobane. They took too long to capture it, and the whole world is paying attention now and finally getting involved. The YPG won't give up, and ISIS would have to mass forces to overwhelm the city, but they can't mass forces due to the airstrikes. Ergo, ISIS will not take Kobane. Plus, Peshmerga are on the way to reinforce the city. So yeah, tough poo poo, ISIS.  Batham posted:I just want to add that, if I remember correctly, it was France and the UK that demanded the heavy repercussions from Germany at the time. The US were against the heavy repercussions. I don't recall if it were news reporters at the time or the US's leaders (or both), but I recall them saying after the treaties were made "All we did today was sign off on a new war". Basically, this. Wilson pushed for leniency but was overruled. Consequently, WWII.  Redgrendel2001 posted:Looks like it, but I could be wrong. When I watched that video earlier this evening, I thought it looked like those grenades were partially disassembled; there's a hole in the bottom, as if maybe the detonator or some other component has been removed. Also, I guess I was wrong. Earlier I mentioned that we probably airdropped our own supplies, but here it looks like all the stuff really was from the KRG in Iraq. My bad. Torpor posted:Nice job air force; not breaking the long, long history of air dropped supplies landing on the wrong side. Well they did get like 25 of 27 on-target. Remember, these are cargo crates, not guided munitions. Phlegmish posted:Have the Kurds succeeded in pushing ISIS out of Kobani yet? ISIS is in the "too embarrassed to cut their losses and retreat" phase. VanSandman posted:Hey MIGF what's your estimated body count on how many people have to die to make your peace plan work? Over 9000. Give or take. Slightly more serious response: When everyone's dead, you're left with nothing but peace. Again, that is somewhat serious given the tone of this thread. 
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My Imaginary GF posted:Rather, do not consider the current generation in future considerations: Applied game theory where the opposing forces are not repeat players in policy matters. They're factors even if they're not players, though.
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AllanGordon posted:Would it even get to that point? I would figure once the thousands of artillery pieces along the border have been destroyed along with Seoul and any town in northern South Korea that would kind of be it and most North Koreans would just surrender with the ones who would face war crimes fleeing to China. Nah those motherfuckers be crazy.
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One of my idiot friends is trying to get to Kurdistan to fight ISIS. Will the CIA assassinate him if he tries to come back? 
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Equine Don posted:One of my idiot friends is trying to get to Kurdistan to fight ISIS. Will the CIA assassinate him if he tries to come back? judging from the experiences of other white (assuming he is) westerners that have joined the pesh merga to battle ISIS, he will probably get a flattering profile in NPR or something
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Oct 22, 2014 08:16
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Equine Don posted:One of my idiot friends is trying to get to Kurdistan to fight ISIS. Will the CIA assassinate him if he tries to come back? No. Exit screening in America is a joke. Although, it is recommended that he travel in a group to Kurdistan and arrange visas with the appropriate embassies. In addition, he may want to join a Kurdish group in America for 3-6 months before he travels to Kurdistan, in order to have a support network pre-arranged.
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Equine Don posted:One of my idiot friends is trying to get to Kurdistan to fight ISIS. Will the CIA assassinate him if he tries to come back? I first read as "fighting with ISIS". Now, that would be a real problem. Aren't there a few westerners fighting with Kurds? Some footage from Kobane showed two dudes speaking an italian dialect, fighting against the daesh.
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Oct 22, 2014 08:25
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Equine Don posted:So the rumors that the US is letting people go over are true More like, "TSA is so loving incompetent they couldn't stop a symptomatic Ebola case under surveillance from flying twice domestically, nor could they stop a certified schizo wearing body armor and packing heat from flying one-way to Libya and Turkey, so gently caress if they're competent enough to even stop individuals wanting to fight for ISIS."
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Oct 22, 2014 08:27
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My Imaginary GF posted:Rather, do not consider the current generation in future considerations: Applied game theory where the opposing forces are not repeat players in policy matters. When we post, we create our own reality. And while you're studying that reality—judiciously, as you will—we'll post again, creating other new realities, which you can study too, and that's how things will sort out.
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Equine Don posted:So the rumors that the US is letting people go over are true US Customs and Border Protection posted:The United States has 5,525 miles of border with Canada and 1,989 miles with Mexico. When it comes to people entering or leaving the US it's not exactly a matter of "let"
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SedanChair posted:When it comes to people entering or leaving the US it's not exactly a matter of "let" US citizens with stamps from turkey or iraq in their passports not getting immediately disappeared makes it seem like the government is complicit (talking about pro Kurd foreign fighters not ISIS).
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SedanChair posted:You think we're going to stop US citizens from going to Turkey? I think we should stop individuals with one-way travel to Turkey and without accomodations arranged through an above-board agency while in Turkey. You can't stop all potential ISIS recruits, however, you can greatly reduce ISIS' recruitment pool by making it much more expensive than at present to join ISIS. E: Equine Don posted:US citizens with stamps from turkey or iraq in their passports not getting immediately disappeared makes it seem like the government is complicit (talking about pro Kurd foreign fighters not ISIS). As a matter of policy, I agree that an increase in the budget of the rendition program would reduce the effectiveness of ISIS. However, the program is not cost-effective to implement on a one-on-one basis for all potential ISIS recruits; its effectiveness comes in when used for medium to high value target acquisition. Raw recruits to ISIS are low value targets, in comparison. The most cost-effective solution to ISIS would be a firebombing campaign against ISIS territory. My Imaginary GF fucked around with this message at 08:42 on Oct 22, 2014 |
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Oct 22, 2014 08:39
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Equine Don posted:One of my idiot friends is trying to get to Kurdistan to fight ISIS. Will the CIA assassinate him if he tries to come back? As long as he doesn't join the PKK, I don't think the US can do anything to him.
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My Imaginary GF posted:The most cost-effective solution to ISIS would be a firebombing campaign against ISIS territory. That would work brilliantly except for turning the other 1.6 billion Muslims into Jihadis. Actually for all the complaining about Obama's strategy he is copying the one strategy that has ever really worked against this type of enemy. In Algeria the Jihadis horrified everyone to such an extent that everyone turned against them. ISIS seem to be on the same track as the GIA. If Obama contains them for long enough they will probably collapse from infighting eventually. It'll be horrible to have to watch the humanitarian catastrophe but there's a good argument for containment.
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Can we ignore MIGF yet? There's only so many times you can read "I hate brown people, blood for the blood god" in washington-ese before it becomes a bit annoying.
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Torpor posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ge1MqCvob7o How are the YPG getting into Kobane? I thought Turkey only agreed to let the Peshmerga through. Or are they driving straight through IS territory?
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Tias posted:Can we ignore MIGF yet? There's only so many times you can read "I hate brown people, blood for the blood god" in washington-ese before it becomes a bit annoying. Not until he says "Skulls for the Skull Throne!"
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In other news, apparently ISIS got jealous about all those fancy German handgrenades the Kurds got from us, so they got their own. Luckily this time Germany didn't gently caress up, we send grenades of a more modern type to the Kurds, so ISIS got their older ones from someone else!
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Libluini posted:In other news, apparently ISIS got jealous about all those fancy German handgrenades the Kurds got from us, so they got their own. most of this stuff about the hosed up airdrop has been covered in this thread in a less evil language than german, but am i reading that correctly that this article is speculating that ISIS may have used white phosphorous in kobane?
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Jagchosis posted:most of this stuff about the hosed up airdrop has been covered in this thread in a less evil language than german, but am i reading that correctly that this article is speculating that ISIS may have used white phosphorous in kobane? It was either phosphorus or chlorine gas, but no-one is sure about anything, could just be a rumour.
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My Imaginary GF posted:I think we should stop individuals with one-way travel to Turkey and without accomodations arranged through an above-board agency while in Turkey. How? Take me, for example. All that it would take to circumvent this would be to fly to Istanbul via Amsterdam or Frankfurt, like most itineraries from the US to Turkey. Once a US citizen is in Winnipeg or Nogales, it's difficult to exercise any jurisdiction over him. quote:You can't stop all potential ISIS recruits, however, you can greatly reduce ISIS' recruitment pool by making it much more expensive than at present to join ISIS. What do you think would be an effective deterrent to individuals interested in joining ISIS? A deterrent that is not in place today, I mean.
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Tias posted:Can we ignore MIGF yet? There's only so many times you can read "I hate brown people, blood for the blood god" in washington-ese before it becomes a bit annoying. Please.
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VirtualStranger posted:As long as he doesn't join the PKK, I don't think the US can do anything to him. That American jihadist kid who washed out of the Army got charged with a bunch of terrorist aiding stuff and using weapons of mass destruction (an RPG), and then the US realized that there was a translating error, and he didn't actually fight with al-Nusra.  He committed suicide a little bit later. I wouldn't take anything for a given.
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Allegedly a baby born in Ghouta.   https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B0jaSxdCYAEDrJN.jpg
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What's the difference between a rebel and a moderate rebel? Or "moderates" are just the rebels that caters to ones interests?
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I'm starting to think we should let whoever wants to join ISIS join ISIS. I mean, the kinds of recruits they get from western countries are not exactly top caliber. Most are just angry stupid nerds, not too different from #gg nuts. Thing is, being young, angry stupid nerds, they tend to have a deep sense of entitlement, and are whiny bitches. They probably don't even speak much Arabic. There's already a few saying they want to desert, but can't, because they're afraid of criminal prosecution in their home countries. But I mean, these are exactly the kind of losers who are going to waste vital ammo and supplies, and more importantly, sap unit cohesion by being stupid fucks. I suspect they are generally a net loss in terms of combat effectiveness. The real problem are smart, dedicated angry young men coming from places like Pakistan and Saudi Arabia and Tunisia. Those guys are probably the backbone of ISIS. Also, can we recruit a bunch of fanatical Christian evangelicals and send them over for suicide missions? TL;DR: I am the worst Quaker ever.
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Charlotte Hornets posted:What's the difference between a rebel and a moderate rebel? Or "moderates" are just the rebels that caters to ones interests? Moderates are the ones you want to send arms to.
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Rosscifer posted:That would work brilliantly except for turning the other 1.6 billion Muslims into Jihadis. Muslims aren't a hive mind.
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Charlotte Hornets posted:What's the difference between a rebel and a moderate rebel? Or "moderates" are just the rebels that caters to ones interests? The Kurds in Kobane don't want to play nice with everyone else and support the unified opposition that Turkey is trying to put together. Also, they are Kurds. That's why they haven't been getting the nice toys.
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ascendance posted:The real problem are smart, dedicated angry young men coming from places like Pakistan and Saudi Arabia and Tunisia. Those guys are probably the backbone of ISIS. This jihadist biblical thinking is backwards, especially when humans have already demonstrated control over a far more potent force of Biblical proportions. Generating electricity from nuclear reactions is the only way to break our addiction to fossil fuels.
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McDowell posted:This jihadist biblical thinking is backwards, especially when humans have already demonstrated control over a far more potent force of Biblical proportions. Generating electricity from nuclear reactions is the only way to break our addiction to fossil fuels.
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Volkerball posted:Allegedly a baby born in Ghouta. Looks like anencephaly. Happens when the mother doesn't get enough folic acid.
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ascendance posted:No, no. I just want religious extremists on both sides to inflict horrendous casualties on each other, while leaving nice, secular socialists alone. Welcome to the Ba'ath party.
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tekz posted:Welcome to the Ba'ath party.
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ascendance posted:I'm starting to think we should let whoever wants to join ISIS join ISIS. I mean, the kinds of recruits they get from western countries are not exactly top caliber. Most are just angry stupid nerds, not too different from #gg nuts. This reminded me of a War Nerd article from a few months back. http://pando.com/2014/03/28/the-war-nerd-who-exactly-are-the-jihadis-and-why-arent-there-more-of-them/ The Ward Nerd posted:The other question war reporters should be asking about jihadis is, “So what?” Or, to amplify, “What is the real military value of a few hundred foreign amateurs in a conventional war like Syria?”
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