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Spaseman posted:Turkey probably sees that if they make an overt move against the US backed Syrian Kurds they need to need to not have active diplomatic issues with every other major power active in the region. The US should invade Turkey and then invoke Article 5 to bring in the rest of NATO as reinforcements to subjugate the nation and liberate it.
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Imgur rehost of the above, just in case it gets eaten/deleted: http://imgur.com/VzYemvI Also, background on how the author made it: https://twitter.com/Nrg8000/status/747351459671347200 quote:This map's mostly based on detailed analysis of satellite information and geolocated videos. Very confident with accuracy but some ambiguity News: https://www.reddit.com/r/syriancivilwar/comments/4q245k/azaz_hundreds_of_oil_trucks_wait_in_azaz_due_to/ Azaz: Hundreds of oil trucks wait in Azaz due to Efrîn's Rebel-ISIS trade blockade. PlatoApollo posted:Their original route: ISIS Areas > Azaz > Efrîn > Darat Izza > Idlib https://twitter.com/AfarinMamosta/status/747357495534981120 quote:After 2 wears of wearing black, YPG/SDF set up shops where the residents of Manbij finally can buy colorful clothes.  https://twitter.com/DrPartizan_/status/747357180458897408 quote:#Manbij SDF fighters destroying an ISIS vehicle in the countryside. https://twitter.com/DrPartizan_/status/747186662539681792 quote:YPG remove ISIS sign that called Kobanê "Ayn al Islam", sadly one behind it says "Ayn al Arab", the Ba'ath name.  A gifv of the Fallujah advance (it's a little big, but I don't know how/if you can timg gifv's): https://i.imgur.com/jwzPyxc.gifv Source: https://twitter.com/ArtRosinski Finally, there's a megathread on Latakia, so something big may be happening: https://www.reddit.com/r/syriancivilwar/comments/4q4oh3/official_latakia_megathread/ I admit, I really don't know all that much about the fighting in Latakia other than the fact that there's been a notable retreat by the rebels over the last few months. E: one more addition https://twitter.com/SDF_Press_1/status/747346437743087616 quote:The #Manbij citizens help and cooperate with #MMCF fighters to destroy #Daesh War in the 21st century, where Google Earth on a tablet is possibly one of the most useful tools you can have. fade5 fucked around with this message at 20:59 on Jun 27, 2016 |
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I know it's strange to think about but basically every military pre 2000s would have given their right arm for google earth and a few tablets. It cannot be understated how much good maps make a difference in military campaigns, especially ones that update rather quickly.
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A Fancy 400 lbs posted:Does anyone have a good article on the arrests and reports of torture that led to the early protests against Assad? My friend wants to read up more on it and I've given him a basic timeline, but I mainly learned about it following news sites, twitter feeds and from here on SA when it was happening so I don't have a good single source to send him. Something including Ceaser's leaks would be preferable. Thanks in advance. Here's a couple of article from early on: http://www.cnn.com/2012/03/01/world/meast/syria-crisis-beginnings/ http://www.nytimes.com/2011/06/04/world/middleeast/04syria.html Check out that New Yorker article about the dead docs last page or two ago.
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fade5 posted:https://twitter.com/AfarinMamosta/status/747357495534981120 A material's capacity to emit radiation is directly proportional to it's ability to absorb it. Black-coloured emit more infrared radiation than lighter coloured ones, so loose-fitting black clothing isn't necessarily hot.
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Anos posted:Industrious Syrians finding new and tasty uses for Russian submunitions. drat, my heart skipped a beat while watching this.
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Anos posted:Industrious Syrians finding new and tasty uses for Russian submunitions. Brown Moses, I thought you had fixed this sort of thing everywhere forever! 
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Crowsbeak posted:drat, my heart skipped a beat while watching this. Surprisingly, a lot of modern military explosives are fairly good about not exploding unintentionally. Like C4 will burn without blowing up, because it requires heat and impulse from an explosion like a blasting cap to detonate. There were many accounts of US soldiers in Vietnam using C4 as campfire fuel (which is actually a bad idea due to the toxic fumes). I'm guessing the submunition filling is exactly the same.
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chitoryu12 posted:Surprisingly, a lot of modern military explosives are fairly good about not exploding unintentionally. Like C4 will burn without blowing up, because it requires heat and impulse from an explosion like a blasting cap to detonate. There were many accounts of US soldiers in Vietnam using C4 as campfire fuel (which is actually a bad idea due to the toxic fumes). I'm guessing the submunition filling is exactly the same. huh I thought it was one of those incendiary (white phosphorous?) bomblets they have been dropping all over the place. edit: Like these https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yoSSxftCk4A Bates fucked around with this message at 23:09 on Jun 27, 2016 |
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Shageletic posted:Here's a couple of article from early on: http://www.cnn.com/2012/03/01/world/meast/syria-crisis-beginnings/ Thanks! Me sharing the New Yorker article is actually why he was interested in more information about the start of the uprising.
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Anos posted:huh I thought it was one of those incendiary (white phosphorous?) bomblets they have been dropping all over the place. I looked it up and the AO 2.5RT submunitions are anti-personnel explosive bombs.
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Just a quick read of a VICE article on and noticed the following; "Also over the weekend, reports emerged of Syrian rebels using advanced anti-aircraft weapons to shoot down Syrian government helicopters." https://news.vice.com/article/jordanian-spies-stole-cia-weapons-intended-for-syrian-rebels Which leads me to ask if anybody has any more info on this? or wether this is old information (betters SAM's)?
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Autech posted:Just a quick read of a VICE article on and noticed the following; The video is here. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LUEXrjCWOpk It's a SA-8 that they seized from the SAA early the war. Not clear if they shot down the target there, other reports say the helicopter landed safely. Better video https://twitter.com/putintintin1/status/747202225257197568 Throatwarbler fucked around with this message at 03:56 on Jun 28, 2016 |
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CherryCola posted:So apparently four years ago, I posted this article to Facebook:  CherryCola posted:I was curious what happened to this guy. Well, apparently he was with Al Muhahjereen Wal Ansar...turns out they joined the Al Nusra Front in 2015 and are now considered a terrorist group. Yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay. 
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fade5 posted:I still find ISIL's insistence on all-black clothes to be particularly a weird rule. Hmm yes it's a hundred loving degrees outside, let's make everyone wear thick, all-black clothes. Heatstroke? What's that? Pointless information but as far as I have understood it, dark clothes makes sense as you will better radiate body heat and you are not really staying outside to absorb sunbeams in the middle of the day anyhow, which is why dark clothes are quite normal near the equator. On the flip side, I have also heard that the colour of your clothing is pointless anyhow as long as it is lose fitting, so the heat you absorb will make the air inside circulate. Edit: Or what Constant Hamprince said, he explains it better. Rincewinds fucked around with this message at 16:29 on Jun 28, 2016 |
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Rincewinds posted:Pointless information but as far as I have understood it, dark clothes makes sense as you will better radiate body heat and you are not really staying outside to absorb sunbeams in the middle of the day anyhow, which is why dark clothes are quite normal near the equator. Thanks for the corrections though, accuracy is always important, especially with something as complicated as the Middle East. Anyway, speaking of which, looks like some of the Manbij maps yesterday were a little overzealous: https://www.reddit.com/r/syriancivilwar/comments/4q2usb/breaking_1km_left_to_the_manbij_market/ (Ignore the map in the link, I'm linking for the text) quote:patkasper: 
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I see BBC reporting gunfire and explosions at Atatürk airport in Istanbul. IS on the move?
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gently caress. Not this poo poo again.
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Potrzebie posted:I see BBC reporting gunfire and explosions at Atatürk airport in Istanbul. IS on the move? Aren't the Turks the closest thing to a supporter that IS has? Why would IS attack them?
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Throatwarbler posted:Aren't the Turks the closest thing to a supporter that IS has? Why would IS attack them? Turkey supports rebels in Northern Aleppo fighting ISIS now, even while they continue to oppose Kurdish advances against ISIS there and elsewhere. It's kind of a jumbled mess, but Turkey has fired artillery into ISIS territory a few times and ISIS has fired rockets across the border as well. Their illicit affair is pretty much over at this point.
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Potrzebie posted:I see BBC reporting gunfire and explosions at Atatürk airport in Istanbul. IS on the move? my dad posted:gently caress. Not this poo poo again. Welp, odds are it's either ISIL or TAK. (TAK is the Kurdistan Freedom Falcons, a group that broke away from the PKK. Turkey considers TAK/PKK to be one and the same.) Neither option is good, and Turkey will likely blame the PKK no matter who is actually responsible. Back in Syria, something is happening in Al-Bukamal right now. (Bukamal is the city right at the end of the Euphrates in Syria, across the border with Al Qaim in Iraq.) A map of the area I got from here, but remember that this is all desert, so don't take the colors to be anything more than generalizations to help visualize what's going on:  https://twitter.com/RaoKumar747/status/747843491053576192 quote:#NSyA affiliated sleeper cells killed Jamal Turki Issawi (Abu Abd al-Azziz) #ISIS "Deputy of the Euphrates" with a car bomb in al-Bukamal https://twitter.com/hxhassan/status/747826424384466944 quote:Syrian rebels say the operation to liberate Albukamal has begun article in Arabic … another push is reported from Rawa & Al-Qaem https://twitter.com/RaoKumar747/status/747845206918184962 Here's the conversation attached to this tweet: quote:Rao Kumar: #NSyA commander says they are at the gates of al-Bukamal will advance into the city in a few hours. And now back to "terrorism in Turkey", already in progress. 
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Throatwarbler posted:Aren't the Turks the closest thing to a supporter that IS has? Why would IS attack them? The other airport in Istanbul was mortared last year by some Kurdish splinter group according to the powers that be. Turkey is exceptionally fractious at the moment.
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Throatwarbler posted:Aren't the Turks the closest thing to a supporter that IS has? Why would IS attack them? Turkey mainly backs groups like Ahrar al-Sham, daesh's little brother. They used to at least tolerate daesh, but then daesh started attacking the Kurds in Turkey with suicide bombings and the war with the PKK restarted, so they closed the border with Syria and more or less stopped supporting them.
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Dapper_Swindler posted:early reports are saying sucide bombers were/are used in the attack. do the PKK use suicide bombers? The PKK has been reported to use suicide bombs, but this attack was almost certainly TAK (PKK offshoot) or daesh. The PKK attacks Turkish soldiers in the Kurdish region of Turkey, not civilians in Istanbul.
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Dapper_Swindler posted:early reports are saying sucide bombers were/are used in the attack. do the PKK use suicide bombers? Its not unheard of for the PKK.
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CommieGIR posted:Its not unheard of for the PKK. I never understand how anyone can do the sucide bomb attack. it just seems so retarded. I am weirdly not even talking about the psychological aspect(which is another whole can of worms) but it seems like a waste of loyal minions. Dapper_Swindler fucked around with this message at 21:05 on Jun 28, 2016 |
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Dapper_Swindler posted:I never understand how anyone can do the sucide bomb attack. it just seems so retarded. I am weirdly not even talking about the psychological aspect(which is another whole can of worms) but it seems like a waste of canon fodder. It's a force multiplier. Your average grunt isn't going to take out even one soldier in a more professional fighting force, but any idiot can be a suicide bomber, and most suicide attacks seem to succeed.
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I haven't been up on this and I'm hundreds of pages behind, but last I remember was Russia and the SAA turning the tide and gaining ground. Things were looking dire for the rebel groups, has anything changed?
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Sinteres posted:It's a force multiplier. Your average grunt isn't going to take out even one soldier in a more professional fighting force, but any idiot can be a suicide bomber, and most suicide attacks seem to succeed. Most unopposed suicide attacks, which is why they tend to be more effective in surprise attacks and against civillian targets.
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Dapper_Swindler posted:I never understand how anyone can do the sucide bomb attack. it just seems so retarded. I am weirdly not even talking about the psychological aspect(which is another whole can of worms) but it seems like a waste of canon fodder. Training and equipping someone to fight toe-to-toe with a professional army like Turkey's or the US's takes a lot of resources. Irregular forces don't have a good record vs. professional armies, body count-wise. A major terrorist attack like this, on the other hand, has a bigger impact on public opinion than a single soldier can possibly have.
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I'm not sure if this has been posted yet, but it's potentially important.quote:Johnson has also said the government’s claim there are 70,000 moderate rebel ground troops willing to work with British armed forces may be “exaggerated.” These troops, he wrote, may include jihadists who are ideologically aligned with al-Qaeda. quote:Boris Johnson told ITV News today that "his sympathies are with the PKK" - despite the group being regarded as a terrorist organisation by the UK Government. The Mayor was speaking to ITV News about the case of 21 year old Silhan Ozcelik from North London, who was sentenced to 21 months in jail for plotting to join the group, otherwise known as the Kurdistan Workers' Party. I suspect really nothing will change, but that man is likely to be the Prime Minister of the UK.
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Dapper_Swindler posted:I never understand how anyone can do the sucide bomb attack. it just seems so retarded. I am weirdly not even talking about the psychological aspect(which is another whole can of worms) but it seems like a waste of loyal minions. As far as daesh is concerned their most effective weapon is the car bomb. They bolt a bunch of armor onto a car, fill it up with bombs and drive it into their enemies. Since they don't have an airforce this is their most effective way of killing people because you can aim it really precisely and it kills or injures everyone in a large area. If it weren't for the Americans and the rest of the coalition they would be killing a TON of people with them, and were doing so very effectively before they decided to intervene.
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These are reportedly images of the Istanbul attack. https://twitter.com/AzadiRojava/status/747887488409141250
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my dad posted:Most unopposed suicide attacks, which is why they tend to be more effective in surprise attacks and against civillian targets. Vehicular suicide attacks have been incredibly effective for ISIS in both Syria and Iraq
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Spoke Lee posted:I haven't been up on this and I'm hundreds of pages behind, but last I remember was Russia and the SAA turning the tide and gaining ground. Things were looking dire for the rebel groups, has anything changed? The rebels have lost some ground and it seemed their ability to launch offensives was stopped for a while. Recently they have regained a bit of ground in Aleppo so they might be adjusting to the presence of Russian air power. However, if Russia and Iran are willing to throw any amount of resources at this, it's hard to see the rebellion succeed in the long run. I can't imagine funding Syria is cheap though and they'll have to as long as there's war. If their goal is to retake every single inch of Syrian land it will be a very deep money-pit and its not obvious Russia/Iran can't preserve their interests with some form of deal with the rebels. Something got to give but at the moment it's not obvious what. Anyway, ISIL is losing ground across the board except when the SAA decides to create long indefensible salients directly into the heart of ISIL territory.
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Looking like it's TAK. They issued a warning telling tourists to avoid the country a few weeks ago. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/06/10/kurdish-militant-group-warns-foreigners-to-stay-away-from-turkey/
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