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Cat Mattress posted:Probably not, but this was written in English, not in Arabic, so it can be either: Constantinople sounds cooler, anyway.
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My guess is just trying to piss off Turkey. It's like when you call someone a nickname they hate from when they were kids.
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SpiderHyphenMan posted:When did the attack start? I have a friend in Istanbul who tweeted at 10:24 PM local time about something completely unrelated (UTC+2:00) and hasn't gotten back to me and I want to know if she's okay.
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After the suicide bombing my congressman said we need to "fight fire with fire" so that's neat http://www.politico.com/story/2016/06/mike-mccaul-islamic-state-obama-224927
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Aliquid posted:After the suicide bombing my congressman said we need to "fight fire with fire" so that's neat ISIL now on the the alert for clumsy white tourists.
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Big news: https://www.reddit.com/r/syriancivilwar/comments/4qfgwv/iraqi_army_aviation_and_air_force_destroyed_large/ FromAnbarToBaghdad posted:Claims that ISIS had several convoys fleeing from some towns near Amiriyah Fallujah and Fallujah city at night 1AM. They were spotted by PMU checkpoints and lots of reports were quickly sent to the central command and they got Iraqi army aviation helicopters sent from habbaniyah air base to attack them. After the first attacks Iraqi Air force had prepared jets and sent them to attack the convoys as well as more helicopters. The army was then mobilized in large enough force to sweep all the convoy routes and kill anything else that remained. At 5AM the situation was finished https://twitter.com/pmu_english/status/748116597965885441 quote:#Iraqi army aviation and air force destroyed large #ISIS convoys fleeing #Anbar to #Syria from 1AM to 5AM https://twitter.com/pmu_english/status/748137026873065472 quote:10s of #ISIS convoys leaving outskirts of #Fallujah towards #Syrian border completely destroyed by #Iraqi air force https://twitter.com/pmu_english/status/748137512489476098 quote:#ISIS convoys completely destroyed by #Iraqi army aviation and air force now inspected by #Iraqi Army on ground https://www.google.de/maps/place/33...75!4d43.7361111 The numbers are that possibly 400 vehicles were destroyed last night. So if you were wondering why we don't blow up ISIL convoys, here's your answer. When we can, we most certainly do. fade5 fucked around with this message at 19:15 on Jun 29, 2016 |
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fade5 posted:Big news: Sooo.... is this really the Iraqi airforce that did this, and not the USAF?
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Count Roland posted:Sooo.... is this really the Iraqi airforce that did this, and not the USAF? http://www.reuters.com/video/2015/07/20/iraq-receives-first-f-16-fighters?videoId=365013881 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraqi_Air_Force#Current_inventory Iraq has a semi-decent airforce by now, though don't ask me how competent the pilots are. The hardest part of destroying ISIL convoys is the logistics part, not the actual missile part. It's not enough to just spot a convoy, you have to have planes in the right place at the right time with sufficient fuel and weapons, and then you have to be sure it's actually an ISIL convoy, not a bunch of civilians. The other thing is size. If it's just one or two vehicles in the desert, those vehicles can be abandoned/vanish/be hidden before everything is ready. This was a huge convoy in the middle of nowhere that was travelling for a very long time, so the Iraqi Air Force had the time they needed to get everything in order, and convoy couldn't just hide and scatter. Once everything is ready, then we get to the turkey shoot part, and see above. fade5 fucked around with this message at 20:47 on Jun 29, 2016 |
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fade5 posted:Well, it helps that the Iraqi Air Force now exists as a coherent entity, and that we gave them some F-16s to fight ISIL: Its the logistics part that makes me wonder if its really the Iraqi airforce that did that. If they're blowing up potentially hundreds of vehicles, that is a lot of planes and ammo that all needs to be carefully coordinated and timed to work. That poo poo can't be easy, and I'm slow in believing that Iraq has a competent national fighting force.
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It's definitely not easy, but it looks from the aftermath like it was largely unarmored vehicles packed tightly together. It's not like it's 1 missile = 1 vehicle destroyed in that situation, especially if any of the trucks were transporting explosives. Also, army aviation is logistics and recon, right?
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Also, if a country has an Air Force they're pretty much universally the most highly trained branch since they're dealing with equipment that is way loving more expensive than a technical or even a tank, not to mention the pilots are almost always coming from well off and well educated families since it's service that has the least probability of getting killed due to how far from any front line most air bases are.
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MS 804 (recap: EgyptAir flight that crashed in the Med) flight recorder has been repaired and processed, they're strongly indicating a fire with thick smoke in the front belly of the plane, consistent with the ACARS pings indicating smoke in avionics and the front lavatory. Authorities are not saying anything firm other than the fire in the electronics bay. Both France and Egypt are coming down hard on the "not terrorism" side of things though so the lack of a Daesh "we did it" announcement is likely due to them not doing it. http://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-36668910 FAUXTON fucked around with this message at 21:57 on Jun 29, 2016 |
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A Winner is Jew posted:Also, if a country has an Air Force they're pretty much universally the most highly trained branch since they're dealing with equipment that is way loving more expensive than a technical or even a tank, not to mention the pilots are almost always coming from well off and well educated families since it's service that has the least probability of getting killed due to how far from any front line most air bases are. And they also tend to be screened for government loyalty because aircraft can be among the most powerful things to use in a rebellion if you can get them. if say a base of really fancy tanks 400 miles away from the capital rebels, it will take quite some time for them to show up and try to shoot the government up. If a similar amount of fighters and bombers has crews decided to rebel, they might be able to pose a credible threat to the capital in under an hour.
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Welp, so much for the Bukamal push: https://twitter.com/Syria_Rebel_Obs/status/748111461352869888 quote:#SRO - URGENT - Most of the positions taken by #NSA around #Bukamal now back into #IS sect hands. #NSA and allies retreating toward desert. https://twitter.com/DrPartizan_/status/748177421816430592 quote:YPG fighters who call in airstrikes on ISIS positions. https://twitter.com/DrPartizan_/status/748193416278835200 quote:QareQowzaq bridge today - Looks like more repairs being made. On the humanitarian aid front: https://twitter.com/DrPartizan_/status/748180607897862144 quote:Cattle and food travelling to and from Rojava and KRG today. https://twitter.com/DrPartizan_/status/748213879503740928 quote:Food, aid and trade being transported between KRG and Rojava today.
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fade5 posted:Welp, so much for the Bukamal push: I saw earlier that daesh claimed to have captured fighters, etc. It's still got to be hard for daesh to know where to put their defenses given the number of fronts they are operating on.
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Yeah, if nothing else that push gave them a black eye, which considering their other operational issues can't be helping them any. The SAA push and rout, OTOH, may have been a net positive for ISIS wrt equipment. Really sloppy work there.
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Invicta{HOG}, M.D. posted:I saw earlier that daesh claimed to have captured fighters, etc. It's still got to be hard for daesh to know where to put their defenses given the number of fronts they are operating on. It's really amazing how well they've managed it. If they weren't the bad guys, we'd call it heroic how they've stood against so many enemies, including the top two military powers able to project force outside their borders. I really want to understand how they manage it, but I don't feel like I've seen a good explanation yet.
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Sinteres posted:It's really amazing how well they've managed it. If they weren't the bad guys, we'd call it heroic how they've stood against so many enemies, including the top two military powers able to project force outside their borders. I really want to understand how they manage it, but I don't feel like I've seen a good explanation yet. Force of numbers, modern weapons and lack of strong enemies. They won a lot of land where the Iraqi army cut and run and then used their weapons to beat Syrian rebels into submission. It's only now they are facing enemies that are equipped to fight back. It's just that it takes time to root them out once they are dug in. There's video of the Bloody Highway. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bau-sPAANSk
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Anos posted:There's video of the Bloody Highway.
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Is there a reliable tally of the body count, equipment captured etc from that destroyed convey out yet?
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Rent-A-Cop posted:That's some pretty good shooting by non-American standards. Even if cluster bombs are kinda cheating. I'm fine with cheating in this one. 
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New Syrian Army statement on the raid: https://twitter.com/RaoKumar747/status/748176114821046276 quote:#NSyA A source with contacts in the New Syrian Army says 5 NSyA died and 2 were injured in the battle of al-Bukamal. https://twitter.com/RaoKumar747/status/748182903734034432 quote:#NSyA announced a radio station will soon broadcast from the desert to al-Bukamal and surrounding areas counter #ISIS propaganda FM 99.1 More info about the new Highway of Death: https://twitter.com/IraqiSecurity/status/748285648071712768 quote:#US-led coalition refused multiple requests by #Iraq's MoD to hit this convoy. Iraqis had to act independently. I'm not sure where I fall on this. I mean when you get down to it, Iraq is still a sovereign nation, and it is Iraq's territory and Iraq's Air Force. The US can disapprove, but if the Iraqi military makes the call that they want to destroy the convoy, then the final decision is really theirs. We're just there to help beat up ISIL, we don't want to run the country. E: Scratch part of that, it looks like the coalition was partially involved: https://twitter.com/pmu_english/status/748323422808117248 quote:Our coalition partners @CJTFOIR confirmed their strikes destroyed 250 #ISIS fighters & 40 vehicles fleeing #Anbar quote:Total #ISIS fighters killed over 750 & 170 vehicles confirmed by #Iraqi Air Force, Army Aviation and @CJTFOIR And you know normally I'd think 750 ISIL fighters killed and 170 vehicles destroyed would be an exaggeration, but from all those photos it looks pretty drat plausible. That a hell of a loss in four hours. 
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It could've been that the Coalition was reticent about targeting convoy because of possible civilian casualties but joined in after the Iraqis began airstrikes anyway and forced the issue.
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Or the Coalition could only id parts of the convoy as 100% military and attacked those, while the Iraqi's just said gently caress it and blew everything else up anyway.
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A GIANT PARSNIP posted:Or the Coalition could only id parts of the convoy as 100% military and attacked those, while the Iraqi's just said gently caress it and blew everything else up anyway. This is probably the closest to the truth. You can certainly imagine there's more than a little "they're probably daesh anyway" sentiment within the Iraqi army after the poo poo they've dealt with.
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A GIANT PARSNIP posted:Or the Coalition could only id parts of the convoy as 100% military and attacked those, while the Iraqi's just said gently caress it and blew everything else up anyway.
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Yeah I'm pretty skeptical about the whole thing and it wouldn't shock me if those were just civvies fleeing certain death at the hands of Shiite militia. Is there any proof that they were actually ISIS?
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FAUXTON posted:MS 804 (recap: EgyptAir flight that crashed in the Med) flight recorder has been repaired and processed, they're strongly indicating a fire with thick smoke in the front belly of the plane, consistent with the ACARS pings indicating smoke in avionics and the front lavatory. Authorities are not saying anything firm other than the fire in the electronics bay. Both France and Egypt are coming down hard on the "not terrorism" side of things though so the lack of a Daesh "we did it" announcement is likely due to them not doing it. My bet is on EgyptAir carrying something they shouldn't have been a la ValuJet 592. I guess you could also probably get good odds on "piss poor maintenance" as well.
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fade5 posted:Now I'm not sure what's true; looks like it might have been the Iraqi Air Force and the Coalition together. Well, whatever the answer, lots of planes blew up lots of ISIL vehicles. New tweet has video of the convoy pre-decimation. Kind of looks like their raggedy armored vehicles at the beginning of the video. https://twitter.com/pmu_english/status/748486783722086400 #Iraqi Army Aviation footage showing the longest #ISIS convoy at 11km long before it was decimated by #Iraqi forces Longpig Bard fucked around with this message at 13:55 on Jun 30, 2016 |
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Such a convoy is a massive risk in face of an enemy with superior airpower. Something seems off to me.
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my dad posted:Such a convoy is a massive risk in face of an enemy with superior airpower. Something seems off to me. I'm beginning to suspect it was a mixture of civilian and ISIS vehicles that the US wouldn't touch.
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my dad posted:Such a convoy is a massive risk in face of an enemy with superior airpower. Something seems off to me. They lost Fallujah and probably realized they couldn't retake it. Faced with a need to evac to friendly locales to regroup they may have figured safety in numbers and the dead of night would protect them from small reprisals, and if they did mix in civilians then they'd have a human shield. They figured wrong.
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Isn't this the plot of one of the Ace Combat games? Obama proposes new military partnership with Russia in Syria: https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...2125_story.html
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Didn't the Iraqi Air Force destroy this convoy? Fox News is claiming that it was a US air strike that did it.
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fade5 posted:I'm not sure where I fall on this Really there's no way to know what to think about this unless you somehow get the evidence that the Iraqi army was working off. Did they just see a large convoy going out, did they have Intel that a large number of ISIS recruits were going to be fleeing at this time, did they they have people on the ground that saw a whole bunch of ISIS people flee into vehicles and then start buggering off? If it was just they saw a large convoy going out and assumed it wouldn't be anyone other then ISIS, then it probably wasn't a good call. If they had multiple people on the ground that identified the people fleeing as ISIS, or Identified that they were all fleeing from a known ISIS base location, then it possibly was. It gets a bit pointless to guess though without further information, though the fact the US were hesitant isn't a great sign... Although it seems the US have been very reasonably cautious with their bombings, so it is possible the Iraqi army were working on good Intel which the US were just a bit overly cautious about. At this stage really all we can really do is hope actually all just ISIS, and that no civilians were killed.
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Bizarro Kanyon posted:Didn't the Iraqi Air Force destroy this convoy? Fox News is claiming that it was a US air strike that did it. Search your feelings...
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A GIANT PARSNIP posted:Or the Coalition could only id parts of the convoy as 100% military and attacked those, while the Iraqi's just said gently caress it and blew everything else up anyway. Probably this, and the US was probably only supplied targeting information and possibly refueling planes while the Iraqi air force bombed the gently caress out of them which is why that press release said it was a joint operation. I'm 100% certian there were civilians in the convoy, hopefully they were all ISIL sympathizers which makes it slightly better but not much though which was why the US only provided logistical support.
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