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Brown Moses posted:It's an interesting poll, but when looking at the results it's really important to keep in mind that these are the coastal cities, two of which were at the heart of the revolution, so that needs to be kept in mind. Interesting to note that Qatar has such high favourablity, along with the UAE. Personally I'd like to see the results for Tripoli seperately from Benghazi and Misrata. It's the US-like strangeness in foreign policy how the Gulf states provided lots of financial support for the Libyan opposition while at the same time providing lots of support to crush a similar revolution attempt in their own backyard. Plus promising aid for the post-revolution rebuilding process really helps keep a positive image going.
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Via Twitter, one of the activists in Homs, known as Syrian Pioneer, who was responsible for the livestreams and a lot of the videos coming out of Syria died today after his car was hit by a mortar shell.
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| # ? Feb 21, 2012 19:12 |
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gently caress, he was literally the first thing I checked every morning, he posted loads of stuff.
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| # ? Feb 21, 2012 19:27 |
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http://www.newsday.com/news/nation/pentagon-iran-s-ships-didn-t-dock-in-syria-1.3546268 posted:WASHINGTON - (AP) -- The Pentagon is disputing reports that Iranian ships docked at a Syrian port over the weekend. Interesting. If the Pentagon is telling the truth, then it seems like the Iranians just passed through the Suez as a show of force.
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| # ? Feb 21, 2012 19:30 |
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Xandu posted:Interesting. If the Pentagon is telling the truth, then it seems like the Iranians just passed through the Suez as a show of force. Makes sense. Just as the U.S. loves to do its Freedom of Navigation exercises, I'm sure Iran was giddy at the opportunity to return the favor.
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http://www.thenational.ae/news/worl...take-sides#full Article on Syria's Druze community. Even when you have people that do support the opposition, without the support of sectarian leaders, it can be very hard to actually mobilize anybody.
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| # ? Feb 21, 2012 20:58 |
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Xandu posted:Via Twitter, one of the activists in Homs, known as Syrian Pioneer, who was responsible for the livestreams and a lot of the videos coming out of Syria died today after his car was hit by a mortar shell. loving hell, they even posted the video of the doctor talking over his corpse and explaining how he died on his Youtube channel (mildly  for a dead body)http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fHnpcJSjCGA
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| # ? Feb 21, 2012 21:16 |
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Here's another mass defection near Idlib http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iv_9zgutnVk That looks like a few hundred men to me.
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| # ? Feb 21, 2012 21:19 |
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Hey guys, just so you know, WillyFoReal of Occupy Oakland is expected to make it into Syria real soon, he runs a uStream channel and is hoping to report live from Syria. I Think I met him at Occupy Congress. His channel is here. I hope he makes it through okay
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| # ? Feb 21, 2012 21:26 |
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Brown Moses posted:loving hell, they even posted the video of the doctor talking over his corpse and explaining how he died on his Youtube channel (mildly Was he the guy responsible for the bambuser.com streams of Homs? Sad either way, but I had those streams on for hours while doing other stuff. I just couldn't turn them off. I heard his voice a lot, heard him go for drives, heard him making phone calls and so on. 
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| # ? Feb 21, 2012 21:27 |
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The-Mole posted:Was he the guy responsible for the bambuser.com streams of Homs? Sad either way, but I had those streams on for hours while doing other stuff. I just couldn't turn them off. I heard his voice a lot, heard him go for drives, heard him making phone calls and so on.
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| # ? Feb 21, 2012 21:30 |
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Brown Moses posted:Yeah, he was pretty important in reporting stuff from inside Homs, he died in his car with 3 other people. It'll at least probably make the press and more people will see his videos. A martyr for his cause if there ever was one.
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| # ? Feb 21, 2012 21:32 |
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The-Mole posted:Was he the guy responsible for the bambuser.com streams of Homs? Sad either way, but I had those streams on for hours while doing other stuff. I just couldn't turn them off. I heard his voice a lot, heard him go for drives, heard him making phone calls and so on. There were a couple, but he was one of the main ones. The doctor in that video is Mohammed al-Mohammed and he's the only real doctor in Baba Amr right now. The other is a dentist.
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| # ? Feb 21, 2012 21:35 |
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Couple of obits are online for him already http://blog.bambuser.com/2012/02/we...ave-syrian.html http://alichubby.wordpress.com/2012...ss-pioneer-rip/ His final message quote:“Baba Amr is being exterminated. Do not tell me our hearts are with you because I know that. We need campaigns everywhere across the world and inside the country. People should protest in front of embassies and everywhere. Because in hours, there will be no more Baba Amr. And I expect this message to be my last.”
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| # ? Feb 21, 2012 21:38 |
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Brown Moses posted:loving hell, they even posted the video of the doctor talking over his corpse and explaining how he died on his Youtube channel (mildly Goddamn, having your own posthumous examination by a doctor be posted up on your youtube channel strikes me as utterly chilling. Hopefully this will lead to further attempts at documenting the tragedies in Homs, rather than fewer with his death.
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Activists in Homs have said an American and French journalist were killed in the shelling this morning in Homs. One is apparently Marie Colvinquote:Marie Colvin is (2008) a foreign affairs correspondent for the Sunday Times The building they were in was apparently the media centre. [edit] Activists are saying Remi Ochlik, a French photojournalist, was killed, and Paul Conroy of the Sunday Times was also injured. Brown Moses fucked around with this message at Feb 22, 2012 around 09:13 |
| # ? Feb 22, 2012 09:09 |
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Could an Arabic speaker let me know if they mention the date in this video? Some people are claiming it's an earlier defection video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iv_9zgutnVk
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| # ? Feb 22, 2012 09:23 |
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Here's a video of the journalist's dead bodies http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FPoA...player_embedded This is Marie Colvin's last report for the BBC http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-17120484 QuiteEasilyDone posted:Hey guys, just so you know, WillyFoReal of Occupy Oakland is expected to make it into Syria real soon, he runs a uStream channel and is hoping to report live from Syria. I Think I met him at Occupy Congress. His channel is here. I hope he makes it through okay Probably not the best time to be heading into Syria as a journalist. Currently there's 2 dead journalists, and 3 injured, 1 serious, 1 critical, with no appropriate medical help avaliable in the area. It's very likely the other two will die. Brown Moses fucked around with this message at Feb 22, 2012 around 10:33 |
| # ? Feb 22, 2012 09:36 |
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Personally I'm thinking the building was targeted on purpose, it's known to be a media centre having been used by journalists before, and I've been told by Syrian activists that they've had people leaking the positions of buidings used as clinics to the army so they can target them.
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| # ? Feb 22, 2012 10:59 |
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The update from the Guardian seems to support thatquote:The online campaign group, Avaaz, says its staff spoke to Rémi Ochlik hours before he was killed.
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| # ? Feb 22, 2012 11:43 |
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Brown Moses posted:Could an Arabic speaker let me know if they mention the date in this video? Some people are claiming it's an earlier defection video No date mentioned. I don't see any Northern Shield Brigade that has been talked about before yesterday.
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| # ? Feb 22, 2012 13:21 |
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az jan jananam posted:No date mentioned. I don't see any Northern Shield Brigade that has been talked about before yesterday. Do you watch a lot of the defection videos? Here's one of Marie Colvin's last reports from Homs about the situation there. At least her death might actually get people to really look at what is happening in Homs and the rest of Syria http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fnqia9cpxx4 Brown Moses fucked around with this message at Feb 22, 2012 around 13:35 |
| # ? Feb 22, 2012 13:24 |
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Brown Moses posted:Activists in Homs have said an American and French journalist were killed in the shelling this morning in Homs. One is apparently Marie Colvin Between this and the guy yesterday, is it possible that what I thought was random shelling is not and they're aiming for journalists??
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Golbez posted:Between this and the guy yesterday, is it possible that what I thought was random shelling is not and they're aiming for journalists?? Wasn't there a French journalist who was wasted by a mortar attack in Damascus or Homs about a month ago? They speculated that he could have been deliberately targeted. This poo poo is scary. Al-Assad is intensifying his attack on Homs. I'm starting to think that information about the Army building up troops near Homs for another incursion is gonna come true.
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| # ? Feb 22, 2012 13:43 |
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I was speaking to another journalist who had stayed in the building, and he was of the opinion it was pretty hard to hit by rockets or artillery, so it would have been a mortar. It's been used for a long time by journalists, so it's probably well known for housing them. A Syrian activists with contacts in Homs also told me that they constantly have to watch out for people leaking info to the Syrian army which was used to target clinics, so it seems that they would have known the building was there and it housed journalists. Therefore, it's not unreasonable to think it was targeted on purpose.
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| # ? Feb 22, 2012 13:44 |
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Am I the only one that thinks Marie Colvin looks like someone who could be leading a squad to assassinate Hitler? Seriously, that eye-patch made her look bad rear end. RIP 
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| # ? Feb 22, 2012 14:18 |
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Here's a picture of her, it makes her look bulletproof This is a video of the shelling in Homs today just to give you an idea of how much they've ramped it up in the last couple of days: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-UuqPZ2LOo Just before she died Marie Colvin described the situation in the Homs as the worst she's seen, and she had been in Misrata and had her eye put out in Sri Lanka, so she knew what she was talking about.
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Golbez posted:Between this and the guy yesterday, is it possible that what I thought was random shelling is not and they're aiming for journalists?? I wouldn't put it past the Syrian government to target foreign journalists in Homs, there's a lot of good reasons for them to do so. But at the same, Baba Amr has been indiscriminately shelled for weeks on end, people are regularly killed in their houses and just walking or driving around, it's quite possible that the Syrian government noticed a lot of movement in the area and had reasons to suspect that activists/regime opponents were in the area and targeted the area on that basis instead of because there were also foreign journalists there.
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Here's a video of two injured foreign journalists in Baba Amr, Paul Conroy and Edith Bouvier http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eqx9XIwDMIc
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Brown Moses posted:This is a video of the shelling in Homs today just to give you an idea of how much they've ramped it up in the last couple of days: That could ne mistaken for the early days of the invasion of Iraq  I am literally unable to comprehend why there aren't mass protests the world over in support of drastic action. I wonder how many homes will be left standing when the UN finishes squabbling."If you can't see the people you are murdering it doesn't count  "How plausible would it be for the afor-mentioned defectors to target the artillery positions? I assume mortars would be far harder to pinpoint due to being so mobile, but surely the several hundred soldiers we've seen so far could have some success in decreasing the artillery barrages with a bit of co-ordination? How much leeway would the UN give to allow non-combat specialists into Syria? Say comms, navigation, and strategist specialists with accompanying equipment. Similar to what the SAS were rumoured to be doing in Libya- co-ordinating and advising NTC forces and providing them with non-combat equipment (radios etc).
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Anybody know anything about this twitter account? http://twitter.com/#!/ikhwanSyria One of their tweets says that the security forces were able to shell the journalists house after picking up a signal from their mobile phone.
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| # ? Feb 22, 2012 14:51 |
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Xandu posted:Anybody know anything about this twitter account? I've seen people talk about the need to avoid using mobile phone in Homs as they believe they could be used for targeting, but nothing to suggests that's what happened. I've not see that account before, so I've no idea if they are reliable. Creepy Goat posted:That could ne mistaken for the early days of the invasion of Iraq Well the defectors don't appear to be that well armed, mostly rifles and RPGs, and it's hard to know what's between them and the artillery positions. I'm guessing they are well defended as Assad seems to be really keen on quelling the uprising in Homs. Even if they got taken out by bombers or special forces he's got plenty spare he could move into position.
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| # ? Feb 22, 2012 14:56 |
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quote:Marie Colvin killed: Syrian forces had pledged to kill 'any journalist who set foot on Syrian soil' I, for one, am shocked at this development.
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| # ? Feb 22, 2012 15:14 |
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That's a crime against humanity isn't it? Deliberately targeting journalists? (Not that shelling an entire civilian city isn't!)
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Zedsdeadbaby posted:That's a crime against humanity isn't it? Deliberately targeting journalists? (Not that shelling an entire civilian city isn't!) Yeah, and if it's deliberate it's a war crime, and if it's random shelling it's a war crime, so either way it's all war crimey.
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Zedsdeadbaby posted:That's a crime against humanity isn't it? Deliberately targeting journalists? (Not that shelling an entire civilian city isn't!) That's for Russia and China to ignore. Seriously, we have to be nearing breaking point right?
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| # ? Feb 22, 2012 15:59 |
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J33uk posted:That's for Russia and China to ignore. Seriously, we have to be nearing breaking point right? Well it's going to be pretty hard to paint this one as the FSA attacking journalists, and I expect it to be the top news story in a lot of places bringing even more attention on what is happening in Homs. Marie Colvin was known by a lot of journalists in the UK and abroad, and they've been talking about it all day on Twitter, clearly shocked and horrified at what has happened. I can't speak for other countries, but I assume it'll be the main headline on all the news programmes today, and with the amount of videos coming from Homs they won't be lacking in images to go with the story. I just noticed she appears to have been decapitated as well. Brown Moses fucked around with this message at Feb 22, 2012 around 16:08 |
| # ? Feb 22, 2012 16:06 |
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Here's photos by Remi Ochlik, some of which he recently won awards for, the rest can be seen on his website     
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| # ? Feb 22, 2012 16:17 |
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Hey Brown Moses, regarding that retweet of the FN FAL story. FAL's show up in pretty much any armed conflict anywhere ever. So many of the buggers were produced that it's pretty hard to say evidence of them showing up anywhere is a deliberate act or just the divine trade winds of the arms world.
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Any updates would be greatly appreciated. This is where I get most of my info about what's going on during the day. Assad must assume that once his campaign on Homs is over, everything will return to normal? But this level of video documentation will haunt him forever. This can't really go away, especially if it continues to get worse. 30 years ago, you could kill 10,000 people and essentially no one would know.
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