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Arrgytehpirate posted:We'd be killing them because they are murders. Not because they posted a mean youtube. Even if the headline is "MAN KILLED OVER VIDEO", it doesn't mean that the protestors involved saw the video, or heard about it, and spontaneously went into a killing spree, man. The protest and vilerat's death should be placed in its proper context, which is that it's taking place among a population that has seen the United States support the overthrow of their government, invade neighboring countries on a whim, bomb civilians with impunity, and have highly placed government individuals regularly insult their culture and religion. If your response is "kill more of them!!", do you really think that will make people in Vilerat's position safer, by making people around the world even more resentful of America's tendency to kill whoever it chooses?
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I'm trying to find information about the maker of the film, Sam Bacile. From the Associated Press, "American killed in Libya protest over film": quote:Sam Bacile, an American citizen who said he produced, directed and wrote the two-hour film, said he had not anticipated such a furious reaction. Another from the Associated Press, "Anti-Islam filmmaker in hiding after protests": quote:Writer and director Sam Bacile spoke on the phone Tuesday from an unidentified location. He remained defiant, saying Islam is a cancer and he wanted his film to make a political statement. So an American-Israeli bigot made the film "to help his native land" and is blaming Vilerat's death on "lax embassy security."
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Sorry if I offended anyone with my post. I respect VileRat's work both on and off the forums. Regardless of the immediate political context, he went to a volatile and dangerous region to non-violently promote values he believed in, and died while doing that work. He was a good guy. On a related note, as someone who identifies with Sam Bacile's ethnic group, I do not want him in my community. It's as if you give a guy a button and tell him pressing it will kill someone somewhere, and he says "my ancestors fought for the right to press this button". Nagato fucked around with this message at 06:05 on Sep 12, 2012 |
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I prodded Vile Rat in EVE and it was glorious, this is bullshit. RIP Sean, you will be missed.
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Brother Jonathan posted:So an American-Israeli bigot made the film "to help his native land" and is blaming Vilerat's death on "lax embassy security." It's stuff like this that makes me angry about bigots like these, but being angry about it accomplishes little, and silencing them has its own moral problems...
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Oh my god this is awful news. I don't want to believe that it's true. 
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This is terrible, sad news. I'll miss Vilerat and I'll be hoping for the best for his family.
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I actually chatted with Vilerat quite a bit in #currentevents back in the day, I didn't always see eye to eye with him but I can't believe he actually died.
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I never even knew the guy, but this is still just awful. drat.
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tatankatonk posted:Even if the headline is "MAN KILLED OVER VIDEO", it doesn't mean that the protestors involved saw the video, or heard about it, and spontaneously went into a killing spree, man. The protest and vilerat's death should be placed in its proper context, which is that it's taking place among a population that has seen the United States support the overthrow of their government, invade neighboring countries on a whim, bomb civilians with impunity, and have highly placed government individuals regularly insult their culture and religion. If your response is "kill more of them!!", do you really think that will make people in Vilerat's position safer, by making people around the world even more resentful of America's tendency to kill whoever it chooses? You're right, the US should have let Gadaffi crush the uprising with whatever force he could, that would have earned so much credit in the Muslim world.
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CeeJee posted:You're right, the US should have let Gadaffi crush the uprising with whatever force he could, that would have earned so much credit in the Muslim world. I not sure your point. I mean its not like helping the rebels changed the opinion of to many people. Specifically because its not like that really altered how the US interacts with the Muslim world.
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This is a goddamn awful bullshit mess, Tabarnak de calvaire. I really hope his family get all the support they need. My heart goes out to them, what an horrible situation. Ugh this feeling of powerlessness. 
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CharlestheHammer posted:I not sure your point. I mean its not like helping the rebels changed the opinion of to many people. Specifically because its not like that really altered how the US interacts with the Muslim world. The justification for attacking the embassy is ' that it's taking place among a population that has seen the United States support the overthrow of their government', which in Libya was the 40-year old Gadaffi dictatorship.
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CharlestheHammer posted:I not sure your point. I mean its not like helping the rebels changed the opinion of to many people. If this is an attempt to cynically contextualize this death as "American had it coming" it isn't going to fly here, in Eastern Libya people are very strongly pro-America. It's absolutely disgusting and offensive for "enlightened thinkers" to strip agency from fanatics and murderers simply because they are obliquely attached to their pet identity groups. The Salafis don't need your help. az jan jananam fucked around with this message at 06:44 on Sep 12, 2012 |
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Oh my god this is awful. RIP Vilerat, jesus christ
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az jan jananam posted:If this is an attempt to cynically contextualize this death as "American had it coming" it isn't going to fly here, in Eastern Libya people are very strongly pro-America. No American deserves to die because of the actions of the US government. I was not implying anything like that. This was an unfortunate action due to an overreaction to a video, but pretending that the US helping get rid of Old Q is going to change a lot of peoples minds isn't a good thing to do(also that we should do it for cred in the first place). Though he wasn't doing that so its a doesn't matter anyway. Though I also disagree with who he arguing against, as he doesn't seem to be talking about this situation at all. CharlestheHammer fucked around with this message at 07:08 on Sep 12, 2012 |
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Sep 12, 2012 06:46
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Absolutely stunned. This is awful. R.I.P. vilerat. This thread just got a lot less insightful. :/
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tatankatonk posted:that it's taking place among a population that has seen the United States support the overthrow of their government, invade neighboring countries on a whim, bomb civilians with impunity, and have highly placed government individuals regularly insult their culture and religion.
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OneEightHundred posted:Surely opening fire on our diplomats will make us see the error of our ways.
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tatankatonk posted:The protest and vilerat's death should be placed in its proper context I agree, we should put this death in it's proper context. Following the popularly supported overthrow of a wildly unpopular tyrant, a group of widely-spurned regressive fundamentalists find themselves with weapons against a popularly supported but only-developing national government. In an attempt to assert power in Libya, these fanatics attack and destroy priceless historic and religious sites in an attempt to kickstart a cultural revolution to purge Libya of its rich heritage in favor of a rigid, uncritical, and backwards form of religious orthodoxy, and now are terrorizing women. In this context they overreact completely and absurdly in a typically stupid and conspiratorial manner to a video produced in America, and decide that murdering innocent Americans is a valid and useful response. The way in which leftists orientalize and not-defend defend these Salafists is kind of unbelievable and hilarious. You don't have to bend backwards to act mealymouthed about religious terrorism and fanaticism simply because your Fox News Dad doesn't like them. I promise that there are a lot of Muslims who don't like them either! az jan jananam fucked around with this message at 07:06 on Sep 12, 2012 |
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Holy gently caress, this sucks. I don't post in this thread much, but I read it a lot and vilerat was always one of the best posters. RIP dude.
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Sep 12, 2012 07:07
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First TS12 and now Vilerat. Why do the best goons have to die this year?
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Sep 12, 2012 07:10
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This is all terrible. I remember a football thread long ago where Vilerat either complimented me or derided me for some post. shyguy posted:The video itself: That video is really terrible. Hilariously awful on so many levels. Watch it if you haven't, then you can laugh at this Tim & Eric depiction of a woman being torn apart by camels with me until we start crying together because this stupid sub-porno quality bullshit is almost directly responsible for death(s). 
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Yeah, just to clarify, I don't think that America is at fault here. This is clearly on the them. RIP Vilerat. CharlestheHammer fucked around with this message at 07:18 on Sep 12, 2012 |
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Sep 12, 2012 07:15
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gently caress all Salafists forever. May they all drop dead.
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Sep 12, 2012 07:19
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This is bizarre. RIP
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Sep 12, 2012 07:19
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We lost a good poster and great human being today. RIP Vilerat, and condolences to his wife and children.
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az jan jananam posted:I agree, we should put this death in it's proper context. Following the popularly supported overthrow of a wildly unpopular tyrant, a group of widely-spurned regressive fundamentalists find themselves with weapons against a popularly supported but only-developing national government. In an attempt to assert power in Libya, these fanatics attack and destroy priceless historic and religious sites in an attempt to kickstart a cultural revolution to purge Libya of its rich heritage in favor of a rigid, uncritical, and backwards form of religious orthodoxy, and now are terrorizing women. In this context they overreact completely and absurdly in a typically stupid and conspiratorial manner to a video produced in America, and decide that murdering innocent Americans is a valid and useful response. I agree with this. Despite the fact that it's insane that every time a depiction of Islam in a negative light comes out, it results in violence, it's also insane for some bigot safe and sound in the States to decide it's worth it to push fate and provoke protests like he's somehow morally superior enough to make that judgement call. This is just classic 2 parts fundamentalist, add water: violence. Everyone sucks. I'm really not looking forward to seeing this tragedy politicized either. You implied that these protestors were involved in destroying religious sites. I'm assuming you're referring to Ansar Dine in Timbuktu? Brown Moses said that the group responsible for the embassy attacks was Ansar something-Sharia. Are these groups closely related, or just broadly so as extremists? Also, for any multilingual goon, what does "Ansar" translate to?
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Volkerball posted:I agree with this. Despite the fact that it's insane that every time a depiction of Islam in a negative light comes out, it results in violence, it's also insane for some bigot safe and sound in the States to decide it's worth it to push fate and provoke protests like he's somehow morally superior enough to make that judgement call. This is just classic 2 parts fundamentalist, add water: violence. Everyone sucks. I'm really not looking forward to seeing this tragedy politicized either. "Ansar" means "Partisans", according to BBC. I agree that Vilerat wouldn't have wanted this tragedy to be politicized, but I don't know if there's anything we can do about it.
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Chamale posted:"Ansar" means "Partisans", according to BBC. It's already started. Romney is blaming Obama for all of the things that happened at the embassies and using Vilerat's death as a talking point.
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MAO TSE-TUNGACUNT posted:It's already started. Romney is blaming Obama for all of the things that happened at the embassies and using Vilerat's death as a talking point. We all knew it was going to happen, but all the same: Motherfucker. I'm not going to make through the week without getting seriously drunk, I'm just so loving angry at the world right now.
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I didn't know Vilerat other than by his posting. He taught me things that I didn't know about the diplomatic service and it just floors me that such a knowledgeable, well-written, thoughtful person could be killed through the efforts of two groups of regressive, thoughtless barbarians half a world away from each other. There are just no words for what a pointless waste this is. poo poo.
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Judge Ito Boxing posted:That video is really terrible. Hilariously awful on so many levels. Watch it if you haven't, then you can laugh at this Tim & Eric depiction of a woman being torn apart by camels with me until we start crying together because this stupid sub-porno quality bullshit is almost directly responsible for death(s). MAO TSE-TUNGACUNT posted:It's already started. Romney is blaming Obama for all of the things that happened at the embassies and using Vilerat's death as a talking point. http://www.cnn.com/2012/09/12/world/meast/egpyt-us-embassy-protests/index.html posted:"It's disgraceful that the Obama Administration's first response was not to condemn attacks on our diplomatic missions, but to sympathize with those who waged the attacks," Romney said in a statement released late Tuesday. OneEightHundred fucked around with this message at 08:50 on Sep 12, 2012 |
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That's terrible. I kept seeing the headlines, but I never would have guessed it was Vilerat. How are u posted:We all knew it was going to happen, but all the same: Motherfucker. Even though you knew it was gonna happen, you probably assumed they would wait until the body was cold before they started leveraging it for political points.
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Sep 12, 2012 08:47
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Sep 12, 2012 08:52
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Sep 12, 2012 08:57
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I really liked some of his posts. We'll all miss you, Vilerat.
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Sep 12, 2012 09:01
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I'm guessing the media will be shopping around for some kind of statement from the forums, some time? Anyone know him particularly well?
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