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Arzy posted:So just suck it up huh? Allow US ambassadors to be killed whenever and wherever? Hey, remember the last time we invaded a country on the pretense that some of their occupants might be people who attacked American citizens? Oh wait, you don't have to remember, because we're still there and still trying to figure out how to leave.
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Arzy posted:"Thank you America, for helping us rid ourselves of Qaddafi and 4 decades of oppression. Here, have a rocket propelled grenade." These guys are an extremelly ( and extremist) minority. They don't represent the people of Lybya.
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# ? Sep 12, 2012 13:43 |
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ReV VAdAUL posted:Can we not turn vilerat's tragic death into an excuse to purge people we don't like from the forums? Regardless of what McCain's said on Twitter I doubt vilerat's would want his death to be used as an excuse to stifle free speech. Free speech is absolutely not guaranteed here, and never was. Just glance at the leper's colony. That said I don't think anyone is going to be doing any purging, but ianam.
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# ? Sep 12, 2012 13:44 |
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Arzy posted:So just suck it up huh? Allow US ambassadors to be killed whenever and wherever? Thanks Romney, it feels cool to have Vilerat's corpse be paraded as a casus loving belli, real loving appropriate.
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# ? Sep 12, 2012 13:44 |
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Fabricated posted:Watch Obama start a loving war I'm pretty sure it makes me a bad person, but I irrationally want blood for blood here. I hate this situation, because I know it's ethically disgusting of me, but if this happened in our own country without religious motives, the people responsible would pay with their lives. Why shouldn't these assholes? Religion is loving false, and our "tolerance" of any particular religion should go out the window when it results in bloodshed like this. I want justice for these people and I kinda hate myself for it.
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# ? Sep 12, 2012 13:45 |
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Filboid Studge posted:RIP, Vilerat. drat shame. I'm pretty sure he was just reposting it.
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# ? Sep 12, 2012 13:45 |
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Fruity Rudy posted:That seems really unlikely. The video was uploaded months ago and by sheer coincidence a bunch of people randomly decided to get upset about it on 9/11? It's just... unlikely. I wouldn't be surprised if it turned out to be a mixture of the two. Some groups wanted to do something since it was the anniversary, but the recent release of that completely idiotic and reprehensible video in Arabic gave them the spark that they needed to get a riot going.
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# ? Sep 12, 2012 13:46 |
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Forums Terrorist posted:Thanks Romney, it feels cool to have Vilerat's corpse be paraded as a casus loving belli, real loving appropriate. I would prefer Vilerat's death be avenged but that's just me. I'm not advocating starting another War but we need a valid response to our citizens being assassinated.
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# ? Sep 12, 2012 13:46 |
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factorialite posted:I'm pretty sure it makes me a bad person, but I irrationally want blood for blood here. Go ahead, grab a gun and go kill some Lybyans, i'll buy you the ticket out. Let's start drone stricking one of the few Arab countries that see the west in a positive light!
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# ? Sep 12, 2012 13:46 |
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Filboid Studge posted:RIP, Vilerat. drat shame. Nope. http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=1417104#post295670302 Also real classy ReindeerF, using homophobia as a stick to beat McCaine with. (if it's any consolation iirc Lf didn't like Mccaine either)
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# ? Sep 12, 2012 13:47 |
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Arzy posted:So just suck it up huh? Allow US ambassadors to be killed whenever and wherever? I swear to loving god if you try to make this a political issue I will ban you
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Don't worry, some drones will be on their way and their victims may or may not include the people responsible for this. Your bloodlust can rest easy.
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# ? Sep 12, 2012 13:48 |
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Arzy posted:I would prefer Vilerat's death be avenged but that's just me. Sure, why not. Makes sense that the 'Eye for an Eye' arm is pointing to us now. Better act, right?
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# ? Sep 12, 2012 13:48 |
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Arzy posted:"Thank you America, for helping us rid ourselves of Qaddafi and 4 decades of oppression. Here, have a rocket propelled grenade." Just like how all Americans are dipshits who produced poorly made videos calling Mohammed a homosexual pedophile (complete with sex scenes) to make Israel a stronger state.
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# ? Sep 12, 2012 13:48 |
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evilweasel posted:I swear to loving god if you try to make this a political issue I will ban you Evil I'm not making it political, I grieve for Vilerat too. I just want our citizens safe from harm, and those who are harmed I want their attackers brought to justice. This is not an Obama v Romney thing, it's a "I want Americans safe" thing.
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# ? Sep 12, 2012 13:49 |
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Question to those saying they want the US to "go after these people": Which people? The ones who committed this act? The people who supported them? Salafists in general? Where are we drawing the line?
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# ? Sep 12, 2012 13:49 |
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Mans posted:Go ahead, grab a gun and go kill some Lybyans, i'll buy you the ticket out. Yep, I personally want to kill some Libyans to sate my own bloodlust. Oh wait, I didn't say that, I said I wanted justice for the murderers of American citizens with disregard for their religious "freedoms," you rear end in a top hat.
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# ? Sep 12, 2012 13:49 |
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Arzy posted:I would prefer Vilerat's death be avenged but that's just me. Would you take a gun and personally kill the people responsible? If not, don't ask other people to.
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Brother Jonathan posted:
I cannot find anything but four letter words to describe how worthless this man is.
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# ? Sep 12, 2012 13:49 |
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Fabricated posted:Watch Obama start a loving war I think the most frustrating thing about terrorist attacks like this is that there is simply no immediate, satisfying response.
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# ? Sep 12, 2012 13:49 |
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Lamuella posted:Question to those saying they want the US to "go after these people": Arrest those who spilled blood, arrest the filmmaker and his backers. If this were a perfect world, of course.
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# ? Sep 12, 2012 13:50 |
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Forums Terrorist posted:Nope. http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=1417104#post295670302 Regardless, if you look at the LF 'successor' forum, many of them are laughing and joking about this right now, saying he deserved it.
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Lamuella posted:Question to those saying they want the US to "go after these people": This is why I know I'm an rear end in a top hat. There is no way to actually get justice, but it feels wrong that nothing will happen. The people who were involved in the murderers should pay, but it's not like there is anyway to discern who those people are.
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# ? Sep 12, 2012 13:51 |
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Arzy posted:I would prefer Vilerat's death be avenged but that's just me. Words have meanings. There is no way you can possibly describe what transpired as an "assassination"...which is why the only proper response is words and using this as an opportunity to highlight the Salafi issue with the Libyan government.
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# ? Sep 12, 2012 13:51 |
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Arzy posted:I would prefer Vilerat's death be avenged but that's just me. Does America know of any other "valid response" than war and military coups?
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# ? Sep 12, 2012 13:51 |
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drat, this wasn't what I expected to see when logging in. drat. The biggest problem is I'm not sure there's anything we can do. It's a fringe extremist faction that's already on the government's poo poo list. I hate to say it, but anything beyond condemning the group and maybe providing material support to Libya to help shut them down would be a gross overreaction. Really, I just feel bad for Libya right now. This group is just a bunch of massive, massive assholes (Weren't they the ones that were kicking over Commonwealth graves from the Second World War a whole back?) and they've caused nothing but misery for the Libyan people. I really hope they get what's coming to them for their actions both the US and Libya, but it's Libyan territory and Libya has to be the one to do it.
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# ? Sep 12, 2012 13:51 |
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factorialite posted:I'm pretty sure it makes me a bad person, but I irrationally want blood for blood here. That's a perfectly normal immediate reaction. Don't judge yourself on that. I'm having a similar one with a dose of "gently caress Terry Jones." It's going to be weird not to have Vile Rat around, there's going to be a long time where I expect him to weigh in on something and then remember he's not around anymore and it hits me a little more. This is just sad and senseless, and he will be missed. Anything more that can be said about it I'll leave to far better posters than me. Buffer fucked around with this message at 13:54 on Sep 12, 2012 |
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Arturo Ui posted:Regardless, if you look at the LF 'successor' forum, many of them are laughing and joking about this right now, saying he deserved it. Yeah, that's why a lot of the LF posters and readers are paying their respects in the GBS thread.
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Forums Terrorist posted:Arrest those who spilled blood, arrest the filmmaker and his backers. If this were a perfect world, of course. Stupid movies are not illegal and shouldn't be, even if fuckwits half a world a way get their panties in a bunch. The film maker and his intolerant backers are terrible human beings but it would be an extreme overreaction to start jailing people because they made a movie that contains a political/religious message you don't agree with.
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factorialite posted:This is why I know I'm an rear end in a top hat. There is no way to actually get justice, but it feels wrong that nothing will happen. The people who were involved in the murderers should pay, but it's not like there is anyway to discern who those people are. A decent police force might have detectives who could find eyewitnesses, offer immunity in exchange for cooperation, and make peaceable arrests, unfortunately they don't have one of those, and (active)soldiers make terrible policemen.
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# ? Sep 12, 2012 13:53 |
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gosh the USA would never kill anyone innocent (though the loss of life in this scenario is no less saddening)
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# ? Sep 12, 2012 13:53 |
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Man I was really hoping vile rat got drunk, made an rear end of himself in this thread, and got banned, prompting the new thread title. Man, I want to be angry at the guy who made the video, but then free speech (no matter how unpleasant) and all, but dude, your hate isn't helping. That said, the blame ultimately lies with the attackers.
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# ? Sep 12, 2012 13:54 |
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Drunk Badger posted:He did IT work for the state department, which includes it's foreign assets.
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# ? Sep 12, 2012 13:54 |
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I didn't know VR personally, but he was courteous enough to respond to several PMs I had sent him when I was considering a career with DoS. I was considering a longer post about how this kind of poo poo is just a feedback loop of intolerance and idiocy, but it's not the time. RIP Vilerat.
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Mans posted:Aren't the Wahabists the extremists? These guys are Salafists right? What's the difference? Wahabits are a distinct extremist Islamic that arose in central arabia in the 18th century and is effectively the state religion of the KSA. (i think?) Salafists are basically islamic purists.
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Forums Terrorist posted:Also real classy ReindeerF, using homophobia as a stick to beat McCaine with. (if it's any consolation iirc Lf didn't like Mccaine either) Back on topic, I'm curious now what the Hell you reasonably do in a situation like this. I mean, you can't send more diplomatic staff into a situation where it's not secure, but you can't just abandon the effort because it's a necessity to be there on the ground as the place is lifting itself up. Regardless of the political slapfight that's going to happen, there's a real underlying issue there that has to be addressed and I don't see how it gets addressed without doing something complicating like sending in a larger contingent of military to guard the embassy and consulate(s).
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# ? Sep 12, 2012 13:56 |
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factorialite posted:I'm pretty sure it makes me a bad person, but I irrationally want blood for blood here. I am in the same boat. Right now I would be perfectly happy if we just air dropped some tanks at the south end of Libya and didn't stop until the whole goddamn nation was a parking lot. As far as I'm concerned, the people of Libya have lost all legitimacy in their new nation. Every time a secular government falls apart in the middle east it gets replaced with fanatics who turn to murder at every opportunity. I know I'm going to feel differently tomorrow, but today is a pretty god drat dark day. Acebuckeye13 posted:drat, this wasn't what I expected to see when logging in. drat. Everything I've read today seems to be showing that the Libyan government is allied against the Salafists the same way that these Lebonese were allied against Hizbollah a few years ago. There is a difference between public condemnation and actually condemning terrorists, and it looks to me like there is a lot of support for the salafists within the Libyan government.
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# ? Sep 12, 2012 13:57 |
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Fabricated posted:Watch Obama start a loving war Too soon.
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# ? Sep 12, 2012 13:58 |
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poo poo like this just makes me angry and frustrated. I realize there is no easy way to satiate the bloodthirst but that doesn't mean it's not there. So sick of our nation spending its Treasury and lives making the middle east "free" only to watch our citizens get murdered by Islamic extremists. gently caress that entire region.
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greatn posted:A decent police force might have detectives who could find eyewitnesses, offer immunity in exchange for cooperation, and make peaceable arrests, unfortunately they don't have one of those, and (active)soldiers make terrible policemen. Yeah, it really underscores how it's easy to take what most nations have for granted. Every part of this story just makes me more sad.
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