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kalonji posted:Probably the unpopular opinion but i'm with Gaddafi on this one. Its an internal affair and certainly doesn't warrant international military action. This is just the United States removing an enemy from power. Hello Mr. Chomsky, what up?
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kalonji posted:30 years ago. So like Reagan tried to do but everyone bitched and moaned about it. OK then.
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Brown Moses posted:My recent favourite tweets: Wow, the Libyan rebels got an action movie hero to write their tweets.
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CJSwiss posted:According to MSNBC, the Pentagon's labeling this "Operation Odyssey Dawn". After Enduring Freedom and Iraqi Freedom, this is a refreshingly jibberish code name.
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Brown Moses posted:Operation Conflicting Emotions Operation Camembert and Hummus.
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farraday posted:And now fair and balanced: Libyan State TV announces civilian targets hit in Tripoli. I assume they complained we're doing a really poor job of hitting civilian targets, unlike the loyalist force, who are really good at it.
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IM_DA_DECIDER posted:Can't risk having those babies fall into the sea due to wind. Doesn't work that way no matter what article you read.
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Mar 19, 2011 21:11
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Xandu posted:110 seems like a shitload, but I don't know much about cruise missiles. More missiles = a bigger chance the target will be 100% killed dead, basically. If you can safely use multiple missiles on a target instead of one, generally you use as many as you can spare because overkill is better than underkill.
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Darth123123 posted:What is this? chem/bio weapons? Egypt taking land? Really? It's LF trying to troll GiP mod grover and it's totally hilarious and not bitter impotent whinging at all.
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Shitpost Gaze posted:Nonetheless it is a good reminder that we can't really know for sure how things are going to turn out, and that authoritative statements on the outcome this early are a little silly. Stopped clock, twice a day etc.
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Nonsense posted:Except that post exists and isn't a troll at all. Except that follow grover around the forums and post it whenever he's in a thread because... well because.
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Xandu posted:Is protecting people from slaughter really a war of aggression? If the US is involved, of course it is!
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Mar 20, 2011 03:57
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MoonTuna posted:Just a reminder of what could be. And be sure to VOTE RON PAUL!
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One of my basic principles is to never trust anyone who has their own "compound". It hasn't failed me yet.
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Mar 20, 2011 23:57
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farraday posted:What about compound fractures? If they live in a compound fracture, of course.
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Mar 21, 2011 00:07
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Vir posted:Islam allows and encourages the care for orphans - foster parents. What is forbidden, is to pretend that the child is your own by giving it your family name. So UN 1973 isn't haraam as long as we don't try to name it after ourselves?
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Mar 21, 2011 03:07
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AKA Pseudonym posted:He managed to hold his forces together and push the rebels all the way back to their homebase. However weird his speeches are he's rational enough to preserve himself under difficult circumstances. Unless the coalition interprets the UN resolution broadly enough to include bombing ground forces he has a pretty drat good chance of hanging on. But that was before it started raining JDAMs.
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evilweasel posted:JDAM's won't take a city back. No poo poo. I'm just saying it'll likely be a bit of an equalizer in what's basically a cripple fight.
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Mattimer posted:He also had the added benefit of artillery and airstrikes and tanks, oh my This is pretty much what gave him an advantage. Now that the UN has decided to try to take those things away from him via death from above, he's in, possibly, a much more precarious position.
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evilweasel posted:My impression would be if you don't see it in the news the next day, it probably didn't happen. Very wise. That being said, a lot is going to depend on which way the remainder of the Army under loyalist control jumps now that they're facing airstrikes. They could easily say "gently caress it" and throw in with the rebels.
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Xandu posted:I imagine his concubines have all fled at this point. Ah, but what of his voluptuous Ukrainian nurse?
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Koesj posted:msnbc enlightening us on the Clinton anti-genocide connection wrt the "Tutus and Hutsis in Rwanda". Apparently Hillary was egged on by her husband because he still feels bad for... the great ballet massacre?? Them and the Watusi are some pretty vicious killers.
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Baddog posted:lol one million dead dudes with funny names. Uh dude pretty sure he's mocking MSNBC for loving up the names of those two groups which are actually "Hutu" and "Tutsi".
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Nonsense posted:The real PR story isn't the F-15, it's the loving piece of poo poo Osprey that actually worked. Hey Ospreys have worked for a while dude but feel free to say uninformed nonsense.
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Nonsense posted:Please keep defending military hardware when people cry about it. God forbid I try to correct ignorant nonsense from the LF set.
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Chronojam posted:All guns blazing? An Osprey is not exactly a Hind or a Huey here, the drat thing only has one optional add-on .308 gun on the bottom and maybe a guy with an optional add-on .308 and lovely view angles shooting out the back hatch once you land. You're not cruising around gunning down hostiles in an Osprey. IIRC some Ospreys in Iraq were jury-rigged with door machine guns but I don't know if it's a standard part of their equipment. Competition posted:Marines are notorious for using excess force and perpetrating war crimes, there are accounts from Iraq where insurgents went out of their way to target marines because of the hate they have for them, in some cases ignoring easier targets (such as the Army). Uh... some citations would be appreciated here.
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ZetaReticuli49er posted:It's funny that GBS has tended to be mostly anti-war in the past, but now suddenly I feel as if I entered an alternate universe in regards to the Libyan conflict. Tell us 'bout them blacks.
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Paradox Personified posted:What is this poo poo. In GBS political discussions "neo-con" has no meaning any more beyond "Guy I oppose on foreign policy".
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shotgunbadger posted:If you favor 'spreading democracy' you are a neo-con, that's one of their core platforms. Oh poo poo, that means because I supported the Egyptian people's right not to have their elections stolen by Mubarak I must be a neo-con!   You just proved my point. "Spreading democracy" is such a vague expression it covers a helluva lot more bases than just Neo-conservatism. Neo-Conservative covers a quite specific set of beliefs about foreign policy. Believing that people should have the right to self-determination does not a neo-con make. Unless you want to imply all the Libyan and Yemeni and Syrian and Tunisian and Egyptian demonstrators are all secret Neo-Con agents.
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Competition posted:cough cough Hey there's no reputable citations there. cough Specifically, I've never heard anyone describe the Afghan government the Soviets put in after their invasion as being "democratically elected" with a straight face.
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Baddog posted:http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/24/world/africa/24minister.html?_r=2&partner=rss&emc=rss Actually for once we could send in our heavy mechanized stuff. Libya is 99% perfect tank country. It's where Rommel made his reputation after all.
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t3ch3 posted:You can take over as much sand as you like with your big guns, but you've got to take the cities and you've got to do it with as few civilian deaths as possible. No poo poo. But it's just possible that using mechanized infantry for that job would be safer than just dropping JDAMs on stuff. Of course that's assuming there's a US ground deployment in Libya at all.
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Mar 24, 2011 23:17
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Baddog posted:I was told this was an uprising by the educated youth and professionals of Libya, and that there would be democracy and free punch and cookies afterwards in Tripoli. What the blue gently caress are you talking about? Nobody's said anything like this. Baddog posted:Also these fellows appear to be extremely religious. Maybe its just me. Everyone in the Middle East is pretty much "extremely religious" by Western standards so I don't understand the point you're trying (and failing) to make.
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Baddog posted:I'm saying this is loving silly to get involved in something that probably isn't even a moderate democratic movement. We don't even know wtf it is, because nobody stopped to get any real intelligence on them. Your incredibly callous approach to the Middle East couldn't possibly backfire!
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MothraAttack posted:Why would anyone trust this source? The Agence France-Presse? Or do you mean Chad's president?
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Bobfromsales posted:It's bad when reporting the other side means giving a page to Jenny McCarthy to rant about the evils of vaccines. You must hate the Huffington Post too in this case. They love anti-vax shitheads.
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Times posted:You know, I'd almost forgotten what a worthless sack of crap Rand Paul is. I almost feel sorry for him. It's not like he ever had a chance at a normal life, what with being Ron Paul's son. Not to mention being named Rand Paul. Of course, he's still nothing more and nothing less than a worthless sack of poo poo.
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Zedsdeadbaby posted:This is hilarious because you're clearly being sarcastic yet you just don't have a loving clue how the third world countries came to be in their current state. Did you think they just couldn't be bothered advancing beyond being the current shitholes they are right now? Clearly the solution is to leave Gaddafi alone to eat people, then.
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Times posted:Oh like he's the only kid with a nutty dad. I wasn't being entirely serious there dude.
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1mpper posted:Their neo-liberal bent is far more than "so-called", they freely admit it on their website and in their diplomatic actions thus far. Dear God, anything but an open economy and a thriving private sector! If wanting those things is a sign of being complicit in a "neo-liberal" (which is apparently the new trendy political fright word now that the "neo-conservative" have been largely discredited) conspiracy, you can probably mark down half the planet as being in on it.
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