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MothraAttack
Apr 28, 2008
Looks like from press reports that Zawiya is encircled by pro-Gaddafi forces, and tweets and rumors seem to suggest pro-Gaddafi forces en route to Misrata from Sirt. I wouldn't be surprised if the Gaddafi regime expends tons of last-ditch resources in attempts to retake these cities, since re-occupying them could make an example of the opposition and also perhaps give them some leverage over the East in their warped reality. The loss of these cities so far seems to have embarrassed the regime on an almost personal level.

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MothraAttack
Apr 28, 2008
Any Arabic speakers that can translate this more thoroughly? Video purports to show chemical weapons cache seized by revolutionaries:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jm6XF7l5iiQ&feature=player_detailpage

Also treasure trove of occult books (and, uh, the Talmud, according to some sources) allegedly found in Gaddafi's Al Baida palace:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gr_GI91nees

MothraAttack
Apr 28, 2008
Multiple sources are now suggesting Gaddafi loyalists have retaken the town of Zlitan, and other sources are suggesting that the forces en route to Misrata have halted their advance.

Al Manara is also running an unverified report of a battalion commander outside Zawiya being fragged by his own soldier.

Also posted video of an apparent revolutionary council in Al Kufra calling Gaddafi's son the "sword of Satan" and explaining how the regime attempted to bribe the city's residents with a planeload of cash and weapons, which they distributed among the banks and the revolutionaries, respectively:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7sa1Ryu7Fec&feature=player_embedded

MothraAttack
Apr 28, 2008
It looks like within the past 24 hours Gaddafi has made a concerted attempt at punishing the opposition, with failed assaults of Zawiya and Misrata, and an attempt to bomb ammunition depots in the east that also evidently failed (due to incompetence or sabotage). Gaddafi must really hate the opposition radio in Misrata, since it has been the target of attacks at least 2 or 3 times in the past few days.

Unconfirmed reports also suggest that opposition forces in Zawiya have branched out and overrun a Gaddafi checkpoint in Jeddain. Rumors are also that the feared Khamis Brigade was behind the assault on Zawiya earlier, but this can't be confirmed. Khaweldi's security brigade is allegedly positioned in Sorman (pop. 36,000), giving it fast access to either Zawiya or Ghadames.

I've found this this twitter account to be generally pretty timely and fairly accurate:
http://twitter.com/iyad_elbaghdadi

Edit: Also reports circulating that Gaddafi is employing his foreign intelligence chief to open a dialog with the eastern rebels, and that a mission has been sent to Benghazi. Unconfirmed quotes from Gaddafi's deputy foreign minister suggest that this is some sort of last chance for the rebels to negotiate.

MothraAttack
Apr 28, 2008
NY Times reporting that Gaddafi's special forces have retaken the oil refinery at Ras Lunafa, and Feb17voices reporting that Gaddafi loyalists have shot civilians in Misrata. Would not be surprised if we saw the regime undertaking a last-ditch offensive in the coming couple of days, especially following rumors of discord and disagreement in the regime's upper echelons.

MothraAttack
Apr 28, 2008
Looks like within the past 24 hours Gaddafi has had three brigadiers and an air force pilot defect, and AFP is echoing rebel reports that he sacked his intelligence chief and replaced him with a bodyguard. If defections and staff shuffling continues at this rate then I can't see how the regime can last even another 10 days.

MothraAttack
Apr 28, 2008

Apology posted:

Belaruuuuus!

You know, over the weekend plane spotters reported a small Libyan jet flying Tripoli to Vienna to Minsk and back to Tripoli. Wonder what relation, if any, Lukashenko has with Gaddafi at this point.

MothraAttack
Apr 28, 2008
Some new videos, one alleging to show Gaddafi forces entering Zawiya:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GCi1cmVvVGs

And another showing the aftermath of today's battle in Misrata, including what appears to be the remains of a BMP-1 (?) and a seriously burnt out office building at about 5:25:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pw9ZzW7fKCU

Also some tweets out there alleging more gunfire in Tripoli tonight and possible clashes in Sirt. Completely unverified but big news if true.

MothraAttack
Apr 28, 2008
BBC reporting that reporters have been sequestered at the Rixos in Tripoli today and forbidden from filming from upper floors. A red carpet has also been rolled out in expectation of something, presumably a Gaddafi visit. This following the carnage in Zawiya today leads me to suspect a possible announcement by the regime that they have retaken the city.

Guardian on Zawiya:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/mar/08/gaddafi-forces-devastating-attack-on-zawiyah

MothraAttack
Apr 28, 2008
Defense editor for The Times, Deborah Haynes, reporting today that Zawiyah is under government control, green flags everywhere.

MothraAttack
Apr 28, 2008

Creepy Goat posted:

Don't know if this has been posted yet, but apparantly AQIM has stolen a bunch of SAMs from a Libyan compound and are smuggling them into Tenere. AQIM is basically the North-African branch of al-Qa'idha, (al-Qa'idha in the Islamic Maghreb)and had some involvement in the uprisings in Libya. No one relly knows to what extent, but probably not as much as both AQIM and Qadaffi want to make out.

Source.

Wonder who's skies we'll see those missiles in first?

Why would anyone trust this source?

MothraAttack
Apr 28, 2008

Vincent Van Goatse posted:

The Agence France-Presse? Or do you mean Chad's president?

Chad's president. Derby was probably trained by Gaddafi's men, and his current position is owed to the colonel. Also sounding the AQIM missile alarm theory are anonymous members of Mali's security forces -- an even closer Gaddafi ally. It will be interesting to see how regimes financed and supported by Gaddafi will fare in the absence of his support. The Eritreans I work with, for instance, are hoping for destabilization of the Asmara government, but we'll see.

MothraAttack
Apr 28, 2008
Syrian state TV fades to black following a possible protester running to the president's motorcade.

MothraAttack
Apr 28, 2008

Brown Moses posted:

Some journalist in Malta is saying a bunch of senior Libyan officals have crossed into Tunisia, and are waiting for flights to various EU countries, suggesting they are all defecting, http://twitter.com/ksnavarra

IIRC isn't that the journalist that first called out Moussa for fleeing with his family? Seems like an interesting development.

MothraAttack
Apr 28, 2008
Rumors indicate Gaddafi is about to lose the speaker of the Libyan Congress (not sure how much that title is worth, but al Zawi had some public facetime after the bombing started), his intelligence chief and a slew of diplomatic cadre to the West.

Edit: Rumors that Saif has fled to an unknown location but those are just rumors, after all.

MothraAttack fucked around with this message at 23:46 on Mar 30, 2011

MothraAttack
Apr 28, 2008
Airplane spotters and twitter users show CIA-linked plane (Lockheed 382G N3796B) flying out of Malta.

MothraAttack
Apr 28, 2008
Posted 13 hours ago (?) on Sky News producer Tom Rayner in Tripoli's Twitter:

quote:

Fairly prolonged period of machine gun fire in Tripoli around 4.30am local. Rumours circulating govt militia exchanged fire with protesters

MothraAttack
Apr 28, 2008
Did anyone else see the state TV video of Gaddafi fist-pumping in an SUV around Tripoli? A dude appears to faceplant off a moving vehicle at the end.

MothraAttack
Apr 28, 2008

Xandu posted:

What's that, Alan Kuperman?


Kuperman is the worst. His whole shtick is that the majority of genocides and ethnic cleansings since WWII were mostly caused by rebel groups who were willing to sacrifice their own in a gamble for Western intervention (this is his take on the Rwandan genocide, AFAIK). He even compares it to insurance practices.

MothraAttack
Apr 28, 2008
Yemen president agrees to Gulf plan to resign, over a 30-day transitional period.

MothraAttack
Apr 28, 2008

Brown Moses posted:

Been a busy Easter weekend for me, the only news coming from Misarata at the moment is claims from ChangeInLibya that "Gaddafi militias dressed up as civilians are starting to attack the city from its southern end using heavy weaponry" which is totally unverifiable, and that the city is being bombarded by Gaddafi's forces, so same old story there.



AP now reporting "heavy bombardment" of Misrata as well. Part of me worries that this whole thing has been a fake, and we'll see something akin to the whole Sirte advance again.

MothraAttack
Apr 28, 2008
Gaddafi forces set fire to British, Italian embassies in Tripoli as "retribution." Afraid we'll see some bizarre Gaddafi actions in the coming few days.

http://customwire.ap.org/dynamic/stories/M/ML_LIBYA?SITE=NDBIS&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2011-05-01-12-22-35

MothraAttack
Apr 28, 2008
Reuters and BBC are reporting unusually heavy bombing of Tripoli tonight, apparently targeting Gaddafi's compound.

edit: Looks like bombings might have targeted a cell phone tower, the state media apparatus and another govt ministry building as well.

MothraAttack fucked around with this message at 03:53 on May 10, 2011

MothraAttack
Apr 28, 2008

Warcabbit posted:

http://www.voltairenet.org/Libya-NATO-massacre-of-Zliten

I have a crazy 'all America does is wrong' guy waving this article in my face. Is there any substance to it? (Warning: site is owned by a french guy who thinks 9/11 was done by Americans, wrote a book about it.)

BBC says that probably about 30 people were killed, mostly men, but that the reality of what happened remains a bit vague. Civilians were injured and most likely some died, though.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-14486170

In other news, utility radio monitoring group's Twitter alleges Libyan HF radio activity "heating up" with psy ops ramping up.

http://twitter.com/#!/UtilityWorld

MothraAttack fucked around with this message at 19:25 on Aug 20, 2011

MothraAttack
Apr 28, 2008
Unverified Al Ahrar footage of rebel flag flying over Tripoli airport, evidently.

MothraAttack
Apr 28, 2008

KashiMane posted:

On a serious note though, try reading a Noam Chomsky book until it hurts too much.

Do you think you're the first person in this thread to read Chomsky or something? Not everyone here is aching for a NATO-driven post-Gaddafi Libya, you know.

That said this thread is one of the most up-to-date resources on an under-reported major global issue.

MothraAttack
Apr 28, 2008
Heavy gunfire outside the Rixos with a green loyalist flag now hanging in the lobby. Govt minders are armed and journalists have donned bulletproof vests, seeking a safe room.

MothraAttack
Apr 28, 2008

Arkane posted:

Where was that press conference taking place, the Rixos? I thought the rebels controlled that.

Still a handful of govt officials and a govt checkpoint outside, according to one journalist.

edit: AJA reporting Mohammed Gaddafi surrendered to rebels.

MothraAttack
Apr 28, 2008
Saadi Gadaffi confirmed captured.

MothraAttack
Apr 28, 2008

Hexium posted:

How is he even getting messages out anymore?

Satellite phone?

Rumors now that state TV has moved its broadcast signal to an old educational building. Bets on how long it lasts?

MothraAttack
Apr 28, 2008
AJA: Hala Misrati found dead in her home.

MothraAttack
Apr 28, 2008

Uglycat posted:

To clarify, I was strongly in favor of NATO intervention.

And as I understand it the early rumors (which may well have been true!) that Qaddaffi brought in 'Black African mercenaries' inflamed already existing racism (Arab Africans often fancy themselves superior to Black Africans) and resulting in widespread atrocities against blacks by pro-rebel Libyans (sometimes as reprisals against specific atrocities committed by pro-Qaddafi forces).

If these facts are accurate - and I acknowledge I may be mistaken - they should not be diminished or dismissed. They are directly relevant to the question of how to build up a new, just, democratic society.

IIRC there were some extrajudicial executions of black pro-Gaddafi combatants early on in the East, before any real rebel cohesion, but they were pretty much nipped in the bud and treatment going forward was relatively fair and even handed toward all pro-Gaddafi POWs. Certainly those atrocities were a blight on the rebel movement, but they weren't representative of the overall movement and self-policing seems to have stopped them.

MothraAttack
Apr 28, 2008
AJA reporting Bagdadi Mahmoudi at a hotel in Djerba, guarded by Tunisian army.

edit: Retracted Senussi claim.

MothraAttack fucked around with this message at 03:24 on Aug 22, 2011

MothraAttack
Apr 28, 2008
There are definitely firefights, more specifically at what appears to be a cardiac hospital. Allegedly defected soldiers are turning on holdouts but haven't yet taken the hospital.

No Tweets from Rixos in the last hour, except the CNN reporter who just cryptically tweeted "May" minutes ago.

MothraAttack
Apr 28, 2008
Some people saying that streetlights are on in the Saif video and supporters waving Algerian flags, despite the fact Algeria has recognized the TNC. Speculation it was shot on the 20th? Who knows.

MothraAttack
Apr 28, 2008

YOURFRIEND posted:

So did the lady at the libyan state TV martyr herself or what?

Actually looks like she was apprehended according to some sources.

MothraAttack
Apr 28, 2008
e: beaten!

MothraAttack fucked around with this message at 23:58 on Aug 23, 2011

MothraAttack
Apr 28, 2008
More Sirte Scud rumors cropping up. Wonder who's in command over there?

MothraAttack
Apr 28, 2008

Xandu posted:

https://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=269528513058867&oid=179449562095105&comments

Apparently taken during the prison break of Abu Salim.

"Peace in Libya!"

Is it just me or does the guy at 7:00 look like he's doing something a bit compromising in that cell?

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MothraAttack
Apr 28, 2008
MSNBC reports on alleged massacre of loyalists committed by rebels, as well as another massacre perpetrated by loyalist forces.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/44270675/ns/world_news-mideast_n_africa/t/gadhafi-loyalists-civilians-found-apparently-executed/

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