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The thing that gets me is how similarly all these revolution stories are playing out. It's like the various dictators never spent their period in power figuring out a less stupid way of attempting to retain control in the face of a discontented populace.
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# ¿ Feb 18, 2011 03:03 |
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# ¿ Mar 29, 2024 14:34 |
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In many ways, Egypt was in a far better position to pull off a peaceful revolt than a lot of the the other Arab states. This is only going to get uglier for a while.
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# ¿ Feb 18, 2011 17:57 |
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Bahrain's actions are bizarre. Surely sending out indications that you're willing to hold reform discussions would go down better before you used lethal force against the protesters?
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# ¿ Feb 20, 2011 15:43 |
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quote:However, pro-Gaddafi agencies are handing out FREE meat, fish and nuts to all of those who join the pro-Gaddafi protests." That is incredibly sad and pathetic.
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# ¿ Feb 21, 2011 12:31 |
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You could try asking why he thinks America would pay to have one of their biggest allies remvoed from power.
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# ¿ Feb 22, 2011 15:58 |
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I know I shouldn't be laughing at an awful situation like this, but the guy is just so batfuck insane that I can't help it. The whole thing is ridiculous.
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# ¿ Feb 22, 2011 17:16 |
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What the hell is this speech even about?!
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# ¿ Feb 22, 2011 17:43 |
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I think we've hit on the dude's master plan: He's going to talk every last protester in the country into submission.
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# ¿ Feb 22, 2011 18:04 |
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Gaddafi missed his true calling in life. He should've been a newscaster of some sort.
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# ¿ Feb 22, 2011 18:31 |
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I wonder what Gaddafi is thinking at this exact moment.
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# ¿ Feb 23, 2011 12:28 |
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I wonder if the dude has an escape route ready for when he finally loses the last shreds of control.
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# ¿ Feb 23, 2011 15:47 |
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I wonder how many of the resignations are because opening fire on your own civilians is a line they aren't willing to cross and how many of them are because they just don't want to be on the wrong side of the line when Gaddafi finally falls. (And how many are both, when it comes to that.)
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# ¿ Feb 25, 2011 12:01 |
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Well, gently caress. On the other hand, this was always going to happen based on how CQ was acting. I guess sooner is better than later.
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# ¿ Feb 25, 2011 15:08 |
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If Gaddafi isn't on a plane/boat/something right now he's even more insane than I thought he was previously.
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# ¿ Feb 25, 2011 15:16 |
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Are the blackshirted guys police?
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# ¿ Feb 25, 2011 15:49 |
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I guess I stopped paying attention to Egypt once Mubarak got kicked out, but what are the current protesters still in Tahrir actually demanding? Or are they just milling around and waiting for something?
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# ¿ Feb 26, 2011 01:51 |
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Did you guys read Ham's post?
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# ¿ Feb 26, 2011 08:24 |
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Xandu posted:Oh snap Not sure it's a smart idea to announce something like that until after it occurs.
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# ¿ Feb 27, 2011 09:46 |
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Eesh. If there's a revolt in Saudi Arabia it's going to be a bloodbath that makes Libya look like a playground scrap.
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# ¿ Mar 1, 2011 02:45 |
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Sivias posted:I heard a woman on AJE once say "If Sadaam Husein had carrots instead of oil, we never would have invaded." Well unless I missed something, if the USA went in there to secure oil for themselves they've done a pretty terrible job so far.
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# ¿ Mar 1, 2011 03:37 |
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Speaking of which, does anyone know how much headway the protestors in Bahrain have made?
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# ¿ Mar 1, 2011 04:48 |
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quote:Thousands of protesters have take to the streets in Yemen once more, while, the country's president Ali Abdullah Saleh has launched an angry attack on Barack Obama, asking whether the US president thinks he is "president of the world". Speaking at Sana'a University, where pro-democracy protests have been staged over the last few weeks, the 68-year-old said: "Every day we hear a statement from Obama saying 'Egypt you can't do this, Tunisia don't do that'." He added, in a direct statement to Obama: "What do you have to do with Egypt? Or with Oman? ... Are you president of the United States, or president of the world?" Of the many faults I could lay at Mr. Obama's feet, acting like he's 'president of the world', at least in regards to the current conflict, is not one of them.
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# ¿ Mar 1, 2011 14:59 |
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Wonder what will happen to all the higher-ranking officials who fled the sinking ship.
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# ¿ Mar 2, 2011 14:44 |
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I guess we can theorize maybe some of the pilots are missing on purpose? Or is it normal for people to be this inaccurate with whatever model of plane/bomb they're using?
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# ¿ Mar 3, 2011 13:17 |
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Of all the drugs possible, why'd they choose sedatives to report them as?
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# ¿ Mar 3, 2011 14:48 |
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So it's now a slow and steady grind in Libya, huh.
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# ¿ Mar 4, 2011 12:58 |
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When they say 'the rebel leader' do they mean politically or militarily (or both)?
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# ¿ Mar 4, 2011 16:12 |
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Seriously, what's with Gaddafi's fixation on ?
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# ¿ Mar 4, 2011 16:56 |
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Are there any international aid programs ongoing in Libya right now? As in food drops or whatever?
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# ¿ Mar 4, 2011 19:45 |
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quote:"Cable news has become cable noise. It was intended to be an opportunity to inform people, and instead it has become an opportunity to inflame people." I like this line in particular.
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# ¿ Mar 5, 2011 05:48 |
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There is also the issue that he probably does not care about what happens to Libya or the people involved in it as long as he can cling to power (and presumably a life of luxury).
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# ¿ Mar 6, 2011 18:12 |
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Life in Libya is going to be incredibly lovely for a good while after this, no matter the outcome.
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# ¿ Mar 8, 2011 18:39 |
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kalonji posted:Look, removing Gaddafi from power is a good thing. However I take issue with how its being done, this revolution is being used as an excuse to do something the United States has been itching to do for ages. Nobody is claiming that there aren't cynical and self-interested reasons behind doing what they're doing. But they're saying that, regardless of the reason, it's a good thing that it's happening. Also, the US is relatively uninvolved in the current proceedings anyway.
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# ¿ Mar 19, 2011 16:03 |
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Isn't he attacking a city? Like, right now?
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# ¿ Mar 19, 2011 17:07 |
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This thread has made me realize how completely disparate the militaries of the US are with the militaries of many of its allies, even solely in relative terms.
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# ¿ Mar 19, 2011 17:35 |
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Cartouche posted:Another part of me wonders how this is being reported to North Koreans. South Korea was 'reporting' it by flying over and dropping leaflets. Not sure whether that's still ongoing. As for North Korea's own government letting its citizens get the slightest whiff of this news... not happening.
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# ¿ Mar 19, 2011 18:48 |
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While I'm not willing to claim I have any clear idea what Libya will be like at the end of this whole affair, I am more than willing to claim that leaving the rebels (and the rest of the Libya) to Gaddafi's tender mercies is not going to be preferable option.
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# ¿ Mar 21, 2011 18:05 |
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shotgunbadger posted:No I just don't get the logic of 'well we let THIS slaughter happen, better overreact next time (like Kosovo)'. I mean, your rational has America as pretty dumb and bumbling, like if Mr Bean occasionally blew up a house, I don't see how that makes it better to you then 'well we can't exploit these guys if we 'help' them, so gently caress it'. Okay, first thing you need to understand is that the vast majority of people here (including me) do not have anything remotely resembling a favourable opinion of American foreign policy (and domestic policy, for that matter, but that's another discussion). Thus, we're happy whenever they do something every once in a while we can support on moral/logistical grounds, even if we think they're complete fuckwits most of the other time. This is one such occasion.
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# ¿ Mar 21, 2011 18:43 |
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Baddog posted:OK, intervening militarily in an oil rich country is only appropriate when European countries will benefit/are backing it. Gotcha. I'm not sure how you took from my previous post (in which we have said that we were often frustrated with the USA's poor decision making in the process) in that we believe this situation to be somehow appropriate while others were not. That's not true. I believe intervention to have been justified in cases in the past, and in some cases were intervention occurred I don't believe they should have. More to the point, the actual reason they're intervening here is, as far as I'm concerned, secondary. They are helping get a madman out of power. That's reason enough for me to support this.
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# ¿ Mar 21, 2011 18:57 |
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# ¿ Mar 29, 2024 14:34 |
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Competition posted:China: Why does everyone think that China is a threat to anyone? Their economy is entirely dependent upon the West, any conflict scenario and the West will stop purchasing from them and China will see mass starvation and internal collapse within months. Anyone can make the cheap poo poo they do, but only the West is buying it. Wouldn't the West's economy go belly up in turn if the Chinese import market suddenly closed?
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# ¿ Mar 22, 2011 17:17 |