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It amazes me that these guys are about the average age of most goons, if not a little younger. Going out with their friends and family outgunned and inexperienced but mad as hell and looking to give a big gently caress you to the regime/tribes who have been oppressing and murdering them for years.
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schadenfraud posted:Me too, although he has been lucky enough to make it into Tunisia. I worry about his family though, as they are still trapped in Tripoli. Let your friend know that some Americans support him and wish him the best in his struggle for liberty.
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It's only a PR coup if you think that the lines haven't already been drawn. This LA times article claims that rebels across the east are celebrating his death. quote:The attack seems sure to raise more questions about NATO strikes on Tripoli. http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-libya-strike-20110501,0,409419.story I agree that political killings are wrong and certainly that killing noncombatants and children are wrong but I feel like taking out one of Momo's kids makes him look impotent and gives a big boost to the rebels and NATO forces.
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I think one could argue a case that taking out Qadaffi is cool under U.S law due to his previous support for terrorism. Since he hasn't been active in that arena for awhile I think the case would be pretty weak. I'm not that familiar with international law, but I am sure there is a UN position against assassinating political leaders.quote:Part 2.11 of this executive order reiterates a proscription on US intelligence agencies sponsoring or carrying out an assassination. It reads[1]: With that said, I would prefer a quick decapitation strike as opposed to a sham trial. If we could get him before an International court that would be best.
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A Winner is Jew posted:Wouldn't be surprised given that there were rumors of Syrians being flown in to put down the protests in Iran after Dinner Jacket "won" re-election. I could see some serious poo poo going down June 20 for the 2 year of Neda's death. Especially if Gadafi is dead/out of power by then.
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If they were Saif-al arab's children they couldn't be that old unless he had kids at 11. I can't find a source that identifies whose grandchildren they were though, so yeah they could have been low/mid level military. Dude has 8 kids and god knows how many grandkids.
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May 1, 2011 08:19
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Jesus Christ we might have to land troops into this country. Momo can't be that loving dumb. Please bow out with some shred of humanity, however small.
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OwlBot 2000 posted:Shouldn't have killed his son I guess. Good work NATO Should've stepped down, and oh yeah, shouldn't use nuclear weapons. Good work Qadaffi e- chemical automatic fucked around with this message at 17:11 on May 1, 2011 |
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May 1, 2011 17:01
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Jeez, you guys take typos seriously. I guess if you are morally bankrupt enough to blame NATO for Momo killing people using chemical warfare semantics are probably your last resort.
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May 1, 2011 17:17
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Maybe NATO Uday+Qudaysed them and they don't have time to reconstruct them. Or more likely it's a ploy to buy time or sympathy from certain westerners+Russian/Chinese aligned countries.
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shotgunbadger posted:No chemical and nuclear weapons are two very different war crimes in so many ways, the 'morally bankrupt' thing is pretending you're thinking they're the same to be able to get some shock value. Read the thread. I addressed the chemical weapons and called them nuclear instead of chemical in one post, which I changed 10 minutes later. Nuclear weapons and chemical weapons are both horrible, and take Qadafis crimes against his people and humanity to a whole new level. While a true Nuclear bomb would obviously be worse that does not really make blaming NATO for Momo using chemical weapons any less stupid and reprehensible. Regardless I guess the Eastern half of the country would be much better off getting raped to death by Viagra squads instead of having to deal with the evil forces of NATO.
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That's 10 30 et right? Does anyone have a stream? edit- found one http://www.whitehouse.gov/live
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So this is about OBL?!? loving awesome. Glad that motherfucker is dead, but I hope this doesn't overshadow Libya too much. automatic fucked around with this message at 03:53 on May 2, 2011 |
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May 2, 2011 03:41
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NATO should Berlin airlift Misrata.
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evilweasel posted:Nobody was shooting at Berlin during the Berlin airlift. True, but the logistics involved are not impossible. We have complete air superiority. If we can't get ships in and we don't want boots on the ground it's pretty much our only option at this point.
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I understand that the we are not literally going to recreate the Berlin airlift but there are only three options on the table. Establish a landing zone or a drop zone, clear the harbor or abandon the city to CQ. I think short term precision air drops until we can do something better seem to be the only way we can keep the rebels from getting starved out or outgunned.
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Ok so we let them starve to death and run out of ammo? I have confidence that billions of dollars worth of air to ground planes and missiles coupled with gps equipped precision drops can at least get some relief to the transitional government. If it is so easy for CQ to take out planes why aren't more dropping like flies? JPADS seem like a good idea. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joint_precision_airdrop_system#Operation What do you suggest? automatic fucked around with this message at 16:12 on May 3, 2011 |
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Does Stoltenberg actual believe reconciliation is possible at this point or are the Norwegian's just cozying up to the Russians? After 11k dead and hundreds of thousands displaced I don't really see anything other that regime change happening. Especially when the side that started the slaughter is on the rocks.
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Jut posted:Go and read what he said again. He didn't say anything about reconciliation. quote:Norway’s Prime Minister Jens Stoltenberg said on Friday that ”the solution to the problems in Libya are political, they cannot be solved by military means alone.” Stoltenberg told reporters on the sidelines of a conference in Oslo. “We are very much supporting all efforts to find a political solution to the challenges we are facing in Libya.” "Political solution" sure sounds like a euphemism for a reconciliation government. What do you think he means? Certainly doesn't sound like regime change either.
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True, but how is this the fault of the UN/US forces? Plenty of blood and capital was spent trying to build South Korea into the country it is today. Obviously the US had less than altruistic motives, but so did the Soviets/Chinese.
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eSports Chaebol posted:They might have failed, but I bet diplomatic and even military attempts to settle the division of Korea other than staging a proxy war between the world's greatest powers on a tiny peninsula would have had a better outcome, even if it only meant for example that North Korea would still be a totalitarian state but at least one with much better living conditions for its people. South Korea could submit to that right now. I'm sure plenty of people in North Korea would have much better living standards if South Korea disbanded its military and asked the US to leave. Then they can all live in a glorious totalitarian paradise, with much better living conditions for all the people of Korea.
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If the Korean people want to unify they should do it. I'm sure their is some process that can supersede the terrible Americans and throw off all of the terrible oppression they have lavished on the Korean Peninsula. Moon Pancake. automatic fucked around with this message at 20:56 on May 19, 2011 |
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May 19, 2011 20:52
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In fact, American interventionists should have never broken up the Greater East Asian Co Prosperity Sphere. Only then would the Korean people be able to follow their own destiny without pressure from outside imperialist forces.
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eSports Chaebol posted:There's little doubt the Communists would have taken over, but I don't see how a cult like Juche could take hold in a unified Korea, especially one not under siege. Kim Il Sung would have had to make concessions to a functioning bureaucracy to stay in power instead of being able to rely on an insane personality cult accusing the U.S. being responsible for everything bad in Korea. It could have been a much more open society, just as the South transitioned away from authoritarianism. Like Cuba? Vietnam? How do you come to this conclusion? I am honestly curious why you think that Kim Il Sung would have been moderated by MORE power.
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eSports Chaebol posted:Again with the ridiculous black-and-white. Of course Japanese imperialism was truly awful, but you ignore major impetus for things like the Co-Prosperity sphere such as quite justifiable opposition to unequal treaties. Hell, it was Japan who proposed that the League of Nations condemn racism, which measure was of course rejected. Does that even begin to justify what Japan did? No, of course not. But history occurs in context, and you cannot just ignore that and declare "good guys" and "bad guys". Where did you read in any of my posts anything about black and white? I can objectively decide that the Korean people would be better off without Kim Il Sung without demonizing him. Interesting that you talk about history while playing all of these ridiculous What If games. Every dictator that wants to create an enemy can. You don't need evil Americans to fill that role.
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eSports Chaebol posted:I am assuming that you said this sarcastically, i.e. you were suggesting that the only alternative to U.S. intervention as it happened in history would have been Japanese imperialism. The implication that there are only two possibilities is "black and white". No that is looking at history and making a LOGICAL conclusion. If you have any evidence that countries under Japanese imperialism would have obtained self determination without American intervention please share it. quote:The whole Korean War was a what-if game in that sense. We sided with one dictator against another. That's not exactly a firm stance against dictatorship. So? You seem to think that one dictator can't be worse than another dictator. You are literally engaging in black and white thinking. I'll break it down for you, one dictator led to the 11th largest economy in the world with a great deal of freedom and prosperity. The other led to concentration camps, starvation and juche.
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TheOmegaWalrus posted:Can we keep this Middle-East thread focused on the Middle-East? Yeah. Sorry. Last couple of posts realized I was probably pushing it. I'll drop it.
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The rebels are showing an incredible amount of restraint by not lighting up these guys who are admitting to being mobile rape factories. Hopefully they keep up this attitude and use it in their governance.
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Goddamn Brown Moses, you are literally a better news source than any major paper or site I can think of. Keep up the good work, and thanks for keeping us up on a subject that for some reason is less important than Kim Kardashian getting married or Oprah's show ending.
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I don't want to wish pain upon anyone, especially someone who is mentally ill but Caro needs to get a loving bullet in him and get sent home and get some psychiatric treatment. What kind of sick wackjob goes to a loving warzone pretending to be a doctor and operating on people??? Jesus loving Christ.
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Isn't Yemen the society with the most firearms per person after the US? poo poo could get real nasty real quick. Already is, I spose.
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I've heard that Yemen also has significantly more firepower, due to the fact that fully automatic weapons are relatively uncommon in the US and....not so uncommon in Yemen.
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His idleness posted:The article was from 2009. So uh...other than Mossadegh 58 years ago do you have any solid proof that "oil companies, the British and French secret services and international bankers" are in cahoots to bring down the majority supported dictator Qadaffi? How about any legitimate polling that says that most people want to live under him?
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Finlander posted:Does anyone really take anything he says at any value? Apparently his idleness does.
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His idleness posted:There'd have been a couple of dozen deaths. Hahahha. Ok I guess you're just trolling. Widespread protests against a long standing dictator with no problem using violence for 41 years= a couple dozen deaths. Alright.
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His idleness posted:Where have you been since 2000? Oh ok. Don't provide any facts, or proof or anything like that. 1. Back up your claims that the rebels are killing civilians in any appreciable number 2. Please provide proof for oil company involvement 3. Please provide proof of international bankers being involved 4. Please provide proof that the insurrection was started by the west If you can't, please shut the gently caress up.
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4 people died 87 years ago, what's your point? The bonus army was pretty drat close to an insurrection as well. It is a testament to the political system that more weren't killed....especially in the 20s.
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His idleness posted:Are you stupid. You seem. To have a learning. Disability. or maybe a problem with. reading comprehension Instead of bringing up recent historical events please address this quote:
Did the west also start the protests in neighboring Tunisia? Syria? Yemen?
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