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Kofi Annan is resigning as of 8/31. http://www.un.org/sg/statements/index.asp?nid=6223
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Brown Moses posted:This will probably make zero difference to the situation in Syria. It will because Annan represented the only possibility of advancing international concensus towards Syria.
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On the topic of dictators and revolutions, this article explores the case of Iran and how the Shah has been rehabilitated to a certain degree.quote:"Respect" and "respectability" are words one hears often when talking to young Iranians. Thirty-seven-year-old Golam Hossein, a devout Muslim and a native of Isfahan, a city with a strong revolutionary tradition that suffered massive casualties in the war with Iraq, speaks the same way. "People respected the principles more in those days," he declares. He got married when he was 23; his wife, Fatemeh, wears a chador. "Some people look at us differently," he says, "it is like we should not enjoy a good life. My friends often think I am restraining my wife, while it is her choice to wear a chador." Fatemeh explains, "All of the women in my family wear chadors, even during the Shah. They tell me that they were shown more respect in those days. Today, even my chador does not stop men from harassing me."
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i poo poo trains posted:That's not reasonable doubt, that's just being uncritical because you find the likely answer is too unpalatable. https://www.facebook.com/lewaa.albraa https://www.facebook.com/albaraaibnmalek They're different.
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i poo poo trains posted:Using the same methodology I have also discovered via Facebook that there are multiple similar but different Canadian pop singers, one named Justin Bieber, another named Jutsin Bieber and a last one named Justin Beiber. I'll avoid being a pompous grandstanding rear end in a top hat like As'ad AbuKhalil and just say simply that linguistic and cultural competence are important and you made errors in several places, first being that you relied on an English translation of "Baraa Brigade" and tried to wrongly generalize from there. There are multiple words in Arabic that are translated into English as "brigade"; two of them being liwaa' and kateeba. The one you believe you are thinking of is kateebat al-Baraa' bin Malik, the group that took the Iranians is lawaa' al-Baraa'. Secondly, Arabic is an extremely well-preserved language. As a result, many names that were (and are) in usage in Arabic are commonly used as nouns and adjectives. For example, the Prophet's wife, Aa'isha, is the feminine active participle for the verb "to live". So a woman can still today say anna Aa'isha fi Dimashq and mean "I am living in Damascus", with it making perfect sociolinguistic sense. Similarly, a major armed grouping in Aleppo right now is called liwwa' at-tawheed, Now, at-tawheed is an Islamic concept that pertains to the indivisibility of Allah; but according to them, it refers to the indivisibility of Aleppo, under its secular meaning. The word Baraa' البراء is the first name of one of the Sahaba. But more importantly it relates to the Islamic term of disassociation from the ways of the unbelievers. quote:60:4 Listen to the video, at 0:05., where he says "liwaa' al-baraa". At no point does it say "bin Malik." Now listen here to the al-Baraa bin Malik Brigade, announcing their name. The liwaa' al-Baraa' logo doesn't mention bin Malik, their Facebook page doesn't mention the name, and none of their videos mention his name.  
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I have family friends who planned on spending a few months in Iran. They left immediately after seeing people being thrown in vans in broad daylight all across Tehran. I was told it's never been so bad in Iran, even during the revolution.
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This is pretty funny; the Assadis are so needy for positive propaganda that they are taking sympathetic pictures of FSA commanders and reposting them as their own (the left is a pro-Assad page)
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The UN Commission of Inquiry on Syria has just been released: http://un-report.blogspot.com/2012/08/report-of-independent-international.html?spref=twquote:Summary
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Syran rebels in Homs attempting to save a cat injured by shrapnel from an Assadi shell.  quote:القطة المشلولة وهي تعالج بإحدى المشافي الميدانية .. هي ذاتها التي يعالج بها أبناء هذا الحي الذين يتعرضون للإصابات المختلفة .. برصاص أو قذائف النظام السوري . az jan jananam fucked around with this message at 21:49 on Aug 15, 2012 |
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Iranian state media is really something; they decided to completely alter and distort Morsi's speech (in which he declared his support for the Syrian people) by translating it to say that he was supporting the Bahraini people and that he was standing against the "conspiracy" against Syria, among other things.
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On the Syrian Revolution page on Facebook there is a posting of the obituary of a Christian woman mourning her as a martyr of the revolution. You would think that would be fairly uncontroversial, but no; there is a completely hysterical debate about how Christians can't be called "martyrs" because they are not Muslim, and how Christians are heretics to God because they believe in the polytheistic trinity and are destined for hell. It was kind of unbelievable to me when I read through it. https://m.facebook.com/home.php?ref...&__user=2516005 
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A Saudi writer claims that Gulf Arab men (especially Saudis) are buying Syrian refugee girls, mostly minors, to be their wives for the price of 500-1000 Riyals (130-250 USD). 
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Baronjutter posted:Wait.. why aren't they protesting a dutch embassy then? Or is it like how people smashed up china-town after Pearl harbour, or beat up Hindu's after 9/11 ? They weren't really thinking it through.
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The X-man cometh posted:That's true, but I've never seen trafficking of Arabs, only Indians(including Pakistan and Bangladesh), Filipinos and other non-arab Muslims. Trafficking and exploitation of Iraqi women became common after the civil war broke out. Here's a report on it.
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The Homsi cat that was critically injured by an Assadi shell is now doing well after revolutionaries operated on him. 
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Everything about this movie is so absurd. az jan jananam fucked around with this message at 04:58 on Sep 12, 2012 |
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CharlestheHammer posted:I not sure your point. I mean its not like helping the rebels changed the opinion of to many people. If this is an attempt to cynically contextualize this death as "American had it coming" it isn't going to fly here, in Eastern Libya people are very strongly pro-America. It's absolutely disgusting and offensive for "enlightened thinkers" to strip agency from fanatics and murderers simply because they are obliquely attached to their pet identity groups. The Salafis don't need your help. az jan jananam fucked around with this message at 06:44 on Sep 12, 2012 |
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tatankatonk posted:The protest and vilerat's death should be placed in its proper context I agree, we should put this death in it's proper context. Following the popularly supported overthrow of a wildly unpopular tyrant, a group of widely-spurned regressive fundamentalists find themselves with weapons against a popularly supported but only-developing national government. In an attempt to assert power in Libya, these fanatics attack and destroy priceless historic and religious sites in an attempt to kickstart a cultural revolution to purge Libya of its rich heritage in favor of a rigid, uncritical, and backwards form of religious orthodoxy, and now are terrorizing women. In this context they overreact completely and absurdly in a typically stupid and conspiratorial manner to a video produced in America, and decide that murdering innocent Americans is a valid and useful response. The way in which leftists orientalize and not-defend defend these Salafists is kind of unbelievable and hilarious. You don't have to bend backwards to act mealymouthed about religious terrorism and fanaticism simply because your Fox News Dad doesn't like them. I promise that there are a lot of Muslims who don't like them either! az jan jananam fucked around with this message at 07:06 on Sep 12, 2012 |
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Mirthless posted:More that the intention of deliberate hate speech should be examined when somebody is incited to commit a crime because of that hate speech. It's really great how patronizing Westerners become in situations like these, to treat Muslims like latently murderous idiot children when it comes to depictions of the Prophet, or, even more offensively, like they are bombs waiting to be set off by the right trigger. It's pathetic, bigoted, and shifts blame off of the murderers where it belongs. az jan jananam fucked around with this message at 14:57 on Sep 12, 2012 |
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rscott posted:Where are the posts that you're railing against removing agency from the people who committed these crimes? Describing these murderers as a "bomb", predictably waiting to be set off by some detonation by an "irresponsible Westerner" is a completely self-evident attempt to strip agency from the people who committed the crime. It's also functionally the same (and ironic, to me) to religious fundamentalists who claim that we shouldn't discount the role of the woman in the tight niqab when dealing out responsibility for street harassment of women.
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Forums Terrorist posted:If it gets people killed, yeah. Innocent Muslims are killed by fundamentalists for dancing and singing at parties for behavior offensive to Islam. This isn't a question of provocation; Salafist militias will actively contrive any miniscule pretense to engage in regressive purging activity in their countries.
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Libyan writer Khaled Mattawa places this attack in the context of Salafist regressivism in the country: ---- My family and I are horrified at the death of the American ambassador who died in the U.S. consulate in Benghazi. We are safe in Tripoli. Our family in Benghazi as well as our friends are all well. Today, we plan to attend a demonstration to protest the attack on the American embassy, and the virulent and idiotic response to a worthless film. The article below provides some background about the film and its producer, Sam Bacile, who knew that his film was going to be extremely controversial. Bacile may have also known that the film would jeopardize Obama's presidential campaign. So the film reeks of intra-U.S. politics. Lax security at U.S. embassies will get big play in the current presidential campaign. In Libya, the radical goons who attacked the consulate may have done so to avenge a drone attack on one of their camps last spring, which no one here opposed. The film fell into their laps as a way to get back into the political game having lost badly at the elections and sent packing when they barged into Benghazi to implement Sharia. Salafist/Al-Qaeda types have been increasing their use of violence to subvert the outcome of the democratic elections which have shown that the Libyan population is generally moderate and wants to establish a modern civil state no a religious one. A largely discredited conservative cleric, Ismael Al-Salabi, trying to ride the furor to regain favor, stated that Libyans and other Muslims were provoked by this film. He's not the only politician in Libya and the U.S. who will use this incident to his political purposes. On both political fronts, and elsewhere, there will be a great deal of devilish spin that relies on seemingly insurmountable ignorance. Large segments of the Libyan population have no historical context in which to place this film, no idea that anti-Islam rhetoric goes back to the beginning of their religion, and no idea that this insipid film in no way represents the American public. On both political fronts, and elsewhere, there will be a great deal of devilish spin that relies on seemingly insurmountable ignorance. Large segments of the Libyan population have no historical context in which to place this film, no idea that anti-Islam rhetoric goes back to the beginning of their religion, and no idea that this insipid film in no way represents the American public. Romney's people will use the imagery in their campaign and the footage may be used again when he, as President, authorizes or agrees to American/Israeli war on Iran. This whole episode is the kind of thing he's been praying for. Speaking from within Libya, and aware that many are upset by the film, I see that most people feel that the attack on the consulate is a grave error that in no way represents their anger at the Muhammad film. The controversy over the film is divisive, and that's exactly what the Al-Qaeda types want. Most of us fear is that things will indeed get worse before we rid of the Al-Qaeda/salafist scourge, which I am certain we will. It is possible to express horror at both, the insipid made in a spirit of hatred to provoke hatred, and at the attack on the consulate whose personnel, and whose government, in no way supports this film. This where most Libyans I stand and I stand with them in their shock and sorrow. az jan jananam fucked around with this message at 16:33 on Sep 12, 2012 |
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Libyans have set up a page on facebook condemning the attack, titled "I am a Libyan and I condemn the killing of the American ambassador in Libya; Terrorism does not represent me"  "There is no religion in terrorism" 
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Sex Vicar posted:This whole thing is peculiar. It's a small thing but his youtube channel is still up. If you check his favourites and comments, It's all Arabic and he's favourited some videos in Arabic. Wouldn't an Israeli-American be speaking in English or Hebrew on their own comments? Arabic wouldn't really be the first language of choice. The comment he wrote is in Egyptian, points pretty directly to that
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PowderKeg posted:anyone have a link for this? I have a friend on FB with a "wheres the muslin outrage??!!?" post that needs this in the comments. Yes here https://www.facebook.com/khaled.mattawa.5/posts/107442892742237
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"Apologies to the Prophet, Apologies to America" "The armed minority of today will become the tyranny of tomorrow"  "Don't turn Libya into Afghanistan"  "No to the militias, yes to the army" 
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The Asian Oprah posted:Learn to talk to people you disagree with, y'all. I'm glad I'm not the only one seeing the irony of anti-war/pro-diplomacy leftists advocating severing communications over ideological differences. An engagement strategy to be emulated. az jan jananam fucked around with this message at 17:26 on Sep 13, 2012 |
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Some pictures from an anti-terrorism protest in Tripoli: http://naziha10.tumblr.com/post/31457278125/rip-chris-stevens-protest-to-condemn-the-violent  
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The Asian Oprah posted:This was brought up earlier in the thread--folks need to keep in mind that this isn't just a freedom of speech issue that's existing in a vacuum. Here, this guy said it well: I find that "imperialism" is, 99% of time in modern political discussions, an utterly meaningless buzzword that gets thrown around with absolutely no explanatory power. We might as well be claiming that these Salafis are angry about the gravitational pull exerted by pink croissants. These attacks were conducted by an unpopular reactionary fringe attempting to assert power after their failure in the recent elections. The United States, especially in Eastern Libya, is exceedingly popular due to their assistance of Benghazi during the revolution. Hisham Matyar from Benghazi wrote this: quote:Were the attacks on the United States Consulate in Benghazi, which killed the American Ambassador and three other diplomats, motivated by the film that the assailants, and many news networks, claim was their motive? Was it really religious outrage that made a few young men lose their heads and commit murder? Have any of the men who attacked the consulate actually seen the film? I do not know one Libyan who has, despite being in close contact with friends and relatives in Benghazi. And the attack was not preceded by vocal outrage toward the film. Libyan Internet sites and Facebook pages were not suddenly busy with chatter about it. az jan jananam fucked around with this message at 17:44 on Sep 13, 2012 |
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The Egyptian Muslim Brotherhood website with an article positive towards the raid on the embassy, contrary to Morsi's statement az jan jananam fucked around with this message at 04:16 on Sep 14, 2012 |
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Count Chocula posted:Let's take a step back. If you were in Libya and were negatively impacted by American actions (and I'm sure many people in every country were negatively impacted by US actions) would you feel justified in protesting the embassy - the symbol of their power? Ok, let's understand this. These Salafi gangs haven't been "negatively impacted" by America's actions. In fact, the exact opposite. America was a crucial element of assisting the Libyan people in overthrowing Gaddafi, a dictator despised by the vast majority of the Libyan people. As a result of the revolution, these right-wing murderers were rid of the totalitarian element that had helped to keep their activities completely suppressed, they were able to raid Gaddafi's storehouses of weapons, and form armed gangs that have yet to be disbanded. After the political character of the Libyan people became apparent in the national elections, especially in a secularly minded place like Benghazi, they've become increasingly assertive in trying to wreck the development of political institutions in the country, destroy historical artifacts and libraries, along with terrorizing liberals and women to impose the worst type of Saudi-style fascism in Libya. This was posted before, but as Libyan Khaled Mattawa describes here this attack was essentially another act in the long pattern of violent Salafi regressivism in the country. az jan jananam fucked around with this message at 04:40 on Sep 14, 2012 |
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"Nakoula Bassely Nakoula," the guy behind the movie, gave an Arabic interview to Radio Sawa. He speaks with a pretty obvious Egyptian accent. quote:In an exclusive interview with RadioSawa.com, reporter Fadoua Massat conducted an interview by telephone with a man who claimed that he is the director, lead producer and screenwriter of the controversial film “Innocence of Muslims,” which has caused violent protests across the Arab World. RadioSawa conducted two interviews with this man in Arabic; one was recorded.
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Joementum posted:Current scene of the US embassy in Tunis. I have a friend who possibly was in there and nobody has heard from her.
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Loot the mob stole from the American school in Tunisia, across the street from the embassy 
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Fandyien posted:I was thinking of Indonesia and Malaysia and Brunei and stuff. I dunno if they're oceanic but I thought they were Muslim majority nations. If I'm wrong there, they at least have substantial Islamic populations, and I am wondering why those groups don't seem to be protesting. There's significant historical and social differences between Arab countries and Indonesia and how Islam developed there. Regressive currents aren't all that pervasive in Indonesia; Indonesians tend to be more supportive of things like women's rights compared to places like Egypt. az jan jananam fucked around with this message at 19:46 on Sep 14, 2012 |
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I'm seeing this on Tunisian Facebook pages: "The flag that Muslims took it upon themselves to take down. Defend the Prophet with knowledge and learning, People of "Read"
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eSports Chaebol posted:First Bert, now Statler? Just what the H*ll was Jim Henson really up to? Well who doesn't love the Muppets?
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