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Golbez
Oct 9, 2002

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The-Mole posted:

Winner of the Cold War sounds like some (Northern) Midwest football rivalry trophy that gets passed back and forth every decade or two.

The United States should then proudly display the proposed CyHawk trophy on its mantel, then.

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Golbez
Oct 9, 2002

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Guys, remember back in the days when we were following hour-by-hour movements in Tripoli and Misrata and Sirte and things were really optimistic and looking up for the Arab world?

Those were fun times. :smith:

Golbez
Oct 9, 2002

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How much of this is Obama's own fault for the red line rhetoric? It seems to me that if he hadn't made the red line statements, that he'd have much more leeway in how to act here, instead of people hounding him for seeming weak now.

Golbez
Oct 9, 2002

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Hong XiuQuan posted:

I think one or two of his sons were probably better human beings than he was.
We thought the same about Bashar.

Golbez
Oct 9, 2002

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nebby posted:

The Syria debate is a great way for me to filter out which of my friends are complete retards. Namely, those who have come down hard on a position without acknowledging the merits of the opposite case and consequences of their own.

There are incredibly strong arguments for or against the use of force. I don't envy the president right now.

The way I generally see it, while there are arguments for both sides of should, I haven't really seen a compelling argument for can. It seems to me any action we could take there would either completely explode the region, or be completely useless.

Golbez
Oct 9, 2002

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Sounds a bit more positive than Egypt, though, with a union and not the military being the mediating party.

Golbez
Oct 9, 2002

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Brown Moses posted:

Environment Minister Erdogan Bayraktar has also just resigned, and called on PM Erdogan to do the same. I also heard he claimed Erdogan knew everything that was going on, although I've not had that confirmed.

Also, Merry Christmas!

[Edit] Multiple sources now say the minister said Erdogan was aware of everything, quite the bombshell.

I missed the thread for a couple of weeks; what is "everything" that he was aware of?

Golbez
Oct 9, 2002

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Brown Moses posted:

This video shows Ahrar al-Sham sapping a building next to Aleppo Citadel

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EM0cey4nEAA

Seems this has become an increasingly popular tactic recently.

Whoa. But I must have missed it: what is "sapping"?

Golbez
Oct 9, 2002

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Brown Moses posted:

Supposedly State TV is claiming Jabhat al-Nusra will be launching Sarin and Chlorine false-flag attacks on Wad al-Dafy, Idlib, and Mork, Hama.

will be? Are you saying that as shorthand for "plans to" or did they actually use the definitive phrasing "will be"?

I'm not sure it matters either way, except to say "will be" implies they know exactly when and where, because, of course, they're the ones doing it.

Golbez
Oct 9, 2002

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TildeATH posted:

Straight up racism.

Today I learned all Muslims are of the same race, and all members of that race are Muslim.

Golbez
Oct 9, 2002

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The Iron Rose posted:

Honestly I just get most of my news from the thread and mostly stay out of the arguments.

What's the best way of doing this, since the arguments now make up roughly 100% of the thread?

Golbez
Oct 9, 2002

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One of the major libertarian points I picked up for isolationism is that, the U.S. entering the war severely tipped the balance. So instead of what would obviously (I never went deep into why) be a stalemate that led to a civilized and dignified peace, we ended up humiliating and destroying the Germans. A stalemate would never have led to Versailles. But, of course, this being speculation, we have no idea what it would actually have led to.

Golbez
Oct 9, 2002

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My Imaginary GF posted:

Hundreds of millions? I see you're for a very broad definition of "everyone" and the colonial understanding of "Middle East."

The countries of the peninsula alone are 70 million. Syria, Israel, Palestine, Jordan, and Lebanon, which are unambiguously Middle East, bumps that to over 100 million. Iran and Iraq? Another hundred million. Egypt? Eighty. Turkey? Eighty.

Even based on a rather narrow definition (let's keep Turkey and Egypt out of it for fun) you're still looking at over two hundred million people.

Golbez
Oct 9, 2002

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You say "other" as if there's any culture that does find it acceptable.

Golbez
Oct 9, 2002

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Cippalippus posted:

There is one that has a substantial number of individuals devoted to killing others, often involving the death of the perpetrator himself. It's just a statistical fluke though, there is nothing to worry about : it's just a few hundred thousands of insulated cases here and there.

You've gone from "children suicide bombers" to "people who kill people". Not exactly the same ballpark. My response was to the apparent assertion that there was a culture accepting of child suicide bombers; is it that you are unable to respond, or unwilling to own your words?

Golbez
Oct 9, 2002

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Cippalippus posted:

It was just a rhetorical question of course. No culture accepts that, not even aum shinrikyo which is the closest thing you get to Sunni Islam.

Nice retreat.

Golbez
Oct 9, 2002

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If I won Powerball I would totally be like Amhai.

Golbez
Oct 9, 2002

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fade5 posted:

Well it's official, the Kurds are going try to connect the Syrian Cantons by going after the ISIL-controlled town of Tal Abyad, also spelled Tel/Tell/Tall Abyad, تل أبيض, or Girê Sipî in Kurdish, because everything in the Middle East has 5 loving spellings.

If Tal Abyad's name seems familiar, it's because it's been in the news recently. It's the place where ISIL blindfolded a Syrian gay man and threw him off a 7-story rooftop, where he was then stoned to death after he somehow survived the fall.:smithicide:

The Kurds aren't wasting any time either, and the Kurdish advance has already started:

A map reminder:

Green: Controlled by Syrian rebels
Light Red: Controlled by Syrian government
Dark Red: Controlled by Iraqi government
Grey: Controlled by the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (ISIL)
White: Controlled by al-Nusra
Yellow: Controlled by Syrian/Iraqi Kurds

Tel Abyad is super important since it's not only a way for the Kurds to link their cantons together, it's also a direct line between Raqqa and the Turkish border (there's literally a highway straight from Raqqa to Tel Abyad), and ISIL really, really does not want to lose that.

Oh, and just as Ayn Al-Arab became Kobani/Kobane, I look forward talking about Kurdish victories in Girê Sipî.:getin:

I love these maps, but I can't figure out what the symbol with the grid of 16 crosses is? For example, there's a group of three halfway between Homs and Raqqa.

Golbez
Oct 9, 2002

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Volkerball posted:

Assad supporters are going full retard now.



18 feet long with a 5 foot diameter huh

Yes? A quick google search shows those to be the proper dimensions of the BLU-82.

However, that image must be from many years ago, because the last operational BLU-82 was dropped in 2008.

So... your post confuses me, what does a Reuters image from probably 14 years ago have to do with Assad supporters?

Golbez
Oct 9, 2002

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Effectronica posted:


That's just the natural extension of thinking in absolutes like pseudoleftists do.

What the hell happened to this thread overnight?

Golbez
Oct 9, 2002

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Torpor posted:

I love these maps even though all the lines and colors are probably drawn randomly because there is no loving way to make a tactical map that accurate.

I love these maps in part because they show the reality of day-to-day war. Normally with war, be it movies, games, news, whatever, we speak of the broad strokes - X captured the city of Y, or took this region. Rarely do we hear of lengthy battles over a single concrete factory, or over grain silos. Or the changing strategic significance of a single bridge (as I recall, ISIL dropped one span, but the coalition bombed the other to prevent ISIL from using it).

Golbez
Oct 9, 2002

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Volkerball posted:

That's a funny thing to think when it's clearly not working. These bombings have been going on for like 6 months, and ISIS has lost effectively nothing.

Its momentum? They were steamrolling, now they aren't. That may be coincidental to the start of the bombing campaign but they have indeed lost something.

Golbez
Oct 9, 2002

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OctaviusBeaver posted:

Resettling the entire population of Iraq and Syria in Nebraska is not a solution to this.

It's not like we're actually using Nebraska for anything.

McDowell posted:

I like how there was a thread about Partisan Girl in GBS and when I linked to some porns with a similar looking woman the thread died off.

:fap:

well cmon don't leave us hanging

Golbez
Oct 9, 2002

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BetterToRuleInHell posted:

So.....how is Islam twisted to justify this? And to justify the mass acceptance of sex slaves?

Religion plus mental illness is a hell of a drug.

Golbez
Oct 9, 2002

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What was the name of that English-speaking (I think she was American or British?) journalist who was so in the bag for Gaddafi during the Libyan Civil War? All I remember is she was occasionally interviewed on RT, and she enjoyed the term "tebels" [terrorist rebels].

Golbez
Oct 9, 2002

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suboptimal posted:

You're probably thinking of Lizzie Phelan. She filed that report from the Rixos Hotel in Tripoli as the city was falling to the rebel's surprise onslaught. Unsurprisingly, she's also in the bag for Assad as well, although IIRC I don't think she's doing much war tourism anymore.

That's the one, thanks. I was wondering what she was doing these days.

Golbez
Oct 9, 2002

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fade5 posted:

Joshua Landis did a cool article following the history of Liwa Thuwwar Raqqa:
http://www.joshualandis.com/blog/liwa-thuwar-al-raqqa-history-analysis-interview/
Some of it has been discussed before, but it's nice to see it all laid out like that.

Also, an interesting tweet from a few days ago about Liwa Thuwwar Raqqa:
https://twitter.com/michaeldweiss/status/640940958356410368
https://twitter.com/michaeldweiss/status/640941123523899392

So it seems the US does indeed want Liwa Thuwwar Raqqa to be part of our "vetted rebels", but Turkey's burning hatred of the YPG supersedes their support for FSA groups, at least for now.

Honestly, is Turkey really a net positive for NATO anymore?

Golbez
Oct 9, 2002

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Kaal posted:

If the MSF is knowingly accepting Taliban patients then ... that makes them aiding and abetting a terrorist organization

You are insane.

Golbez
Oct 9, 2002

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It annoys me this excludes Nagorno-Karabakh.

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Golbez
Oct 9, 2002

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Holy loving poo poo, indeed. How long have we been positive that he was dead?

NBC says he was "abducted" in 2012, but was it imprisonment? So much yet to learn!

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