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Isentropy posted:Unlike America, France actually supported their buddies with actions. And everyone should google "alliot+marie+scandal+tunisia", it's funnier when you know that Alliot Marie was in vacation in Tunisia in December with her 92 years old father, flying several trips in a private jet owned by a friend of the Ben Ali clan, having phone calls with Ben Ali and "watching" her father buy a Tunisian company in the plane for 100+k €. She then denied being aware of the riots when she was in "vacation" (despite the first protests starting a week before her trip, what a good foreign minister!), denied that the jet owner was a friend of Ben Ali (he was on of Ben Ali's last presidential campaign main fundraiser), denied that she had phone calls with Ben Ali (twice, one denial for each phone call), denied there was anything wrong with her father deals and she added that people should be ashamed to attack her family 'just' to hurt her. And last December, the French Prime Minister was in vacation in Egypt. Also the new french ambassador in Tunisia is a sarkozist neocon, the former french ambassador in Iraq (the "Iraq is a democratic workshop", "we are here to get some reconstruction contracts", "Bush was right" type of guy). There was a protest in front of the French Ambassador today, telling him to "GET OUT LITTLE SARKO" after he apparently went apeshit on Tunisian tv when a Tunisian journalist asked him what was the official french position on the Alliot Marie scandal. Toplowtech fucked around with this message at 02:37 on Feb 20, 2011 |
# ¿ Feb 20, 2011 02:35 |
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The Brown Menace posted:This is really not surprising, France is a real piece of poo poo country when it comes to foreign policy.
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# ¿ Feb 20, 2011 02:54 |
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Brown Moses posted:Now he's talking about African illegal immigrants causing trouble.
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# ¿ Feb 21, 2011 00:13 |
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tetsul posted:He sure speaks professionally for a guy rambling gibberish.
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# ¿ Feb 21, 2011 00:17 |
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Brown Moses posted:I'm guessing he didn't right this down before he started. edit: "they have tanks and guns". Well okay, you are going to die.
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# ¿ Feb 21, 2011 00:20 |
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Those silly young people with their immigrants, their internet and their drugs. And now they have tanks and guns.
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# ¿ Feb 21, 2011 00:41 |
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Lycus posted:Do I have this right? He's claiming that the Chadian mercenaries are actually illegal immigrants with guns who came to Libya on their own to cause chaos?
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# ¿ Feb 21, 2011 00:47 |
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Benagain posted:In Tunisia. And then riots started there, and somehow got enough traction to actually oust the dictator. Then everyone else in the middle east perked up and said "Wait, we can actually do that?"
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# ¿ Feb 21, 2011 08:20 |
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Xandu posted:I don't know why you think France or Italy have any credibility. France has sold weapons to Libya that have been shown to have been used against protesters and has been close with Gaddafi for the past decade for economic reasons. Italy imports a huge amount of Libyan oil and Berlusconi is quite friendly with Gaddafi. If you speak french, you can watch the current French ambassador in Tunisia (yeah the one who insulted the Tunisian people) here, defending Gaddafi on french Television a few years ago, it's quite disgusting ("Gaddafi has changed!"). Apparently, he was quite proud that Gaddafi was calling him "my son".
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# ¿ Feb 22, 2011 00:55 |
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Apology posted:Shame on you, France. Shame.
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# ¿ Feb 22, 2011 06:20 |
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Lareous posted:I agree. The Egypt thing was sort-of-but-not-really-surprising, but the ripple effect has been goddamned amazing. I'd never have thought people would have stood up to Muammar al-Gaddafi.
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# ¿ Feb 22, 2011 06:46 |
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Mattimer posted:I think you've been roped in by American propaganda re: Cuba
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# ¿ Feb 22, 2011 06:56 |
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Vladimir Putin posted:If the UN is going to institute a no fly zone, then what it's really doing is asking the US air force to shoot down Libyan planes. Because honestly, no other country has the capability to do it on such short notice.
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# ¿ Feb 23, 2011 01:31 |
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Xandu posted:The Italians might be capable, but they'd never do it.
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# ¿ Feb 23, 2011 01:36 |
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The Brown Menace posted:Also tell Silvio he can screw Qaddafi's virgin guard once he's gone.
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# ¿ Feb 23, 2011 01:41 |
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sweeptheleg posted:Maybe it would force us to be oil free?
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# ¿ Feb 28, 2011 09:41 |
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Sivias posted:The only difference is the country is by far more conservative than the surrounding nations and the government is more of a family. So rearranging money around to help the lower class citizens is far easier.
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# ¿ Mar 1, 2011 03:39 |
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Apology posted:Is anyone surprised that the French are being dicks about things?
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# ¿ Mar 2, 2011 15:11 |
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Brown Moses posted:The Dutch soldiers are being paraded about on State TV:
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# ¿ Mar 4, 2011 12:27 |
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Soviet Commubot posted:I'm assuming that Sarko wants to get his foot in the door for arms sales once all this is over. quote:In the meantime, BBC Monitoring reports A Libyan news agency saying it is in possession of a "grave" secret that could topple French President Nicolas Sarkozy.
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# ¿ Mar 10, 2011 14:31 |
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Brown Moses posted:AJE has reported Brega has fallen to the Gaddafi forces, seems like the rebels are getting hosed. Thanks for your help, international community.
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# ¿ Mar 12, 2011 13:58 |
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TheBalor posted:That would be ballsy. Can Sarkozy really afford the possibility of casualties?
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# ¿ Mar 12, 2011 17:38 |
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Narmi posted:So I guess this is why Germany is so against a NFZ?
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# ¿ Mar 15, 2011 20:34 |
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Lascivious Sloth posted:He's also incredibly insane, so he could just lose his poo poo all together and start massacring his own people. He supported Idi Amin emphatically and tried to defend his last days which resulted in the massacre of thousands of Ugandan's.
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# ¿ Mar 18, 2011 01:57 |
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goatface posted:poo poo, is this the first time Eurofighters have actually gone operational?
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# ¿ Mar 19, 2011 19:07 |
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Brown Moses posted:Al-Qaeda Crusader Zionist Nazis.
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# ¿ Mar 20, 2011 11:10 |
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Vir posted:Who knows - she might an actress from the rebels for all we know, but just the way they react shows that the regime is on its last legs.
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# ¿ Mar 27, 2011 21:32 |
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Brown Moses posted:Good video of Nic Robinson of CNN in Misarata yesterday:
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# ¿ Mar 29, 2011 20:30 |
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quote:Correspondents say rebel forces appear to be completely disorganised.
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# ¿ Mar 30, 2011 15:00 |
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HoveringCheesecake posted:Nice geography skills by the American media, yet again.
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# ¿ May 22, 2011 18:08 |
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Brown Moses posted:Gaddafi has also just appeared on State TV saying he'll stay in Tripoli "dead or alive".
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# ¿ Jun 7, 2011 17:21 |
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dj_clawson posted:I really hope they find a middle ground, as genuine government reform is the way to go, not chaos, violence, and the overthrow of government. America is a bad example of a violent revolution because it's one of the few that went well.
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# ¿ Jun 19, 2011 23:16 |
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dj_clawson posted:And the Russian Revolution. And the Iranian Revolution. The revolution in China, with its many stages between abolishing the Emperor position to the Communist Party and Mao, who killed more people than most Chinese Emperors ever did. And, uh, pretty much every 20th-century revolution against century-old monarchies that has given us the autocrats we have today and are now trying to get rid of.
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# ¿ Jun 19, 2011 23:49 |
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Killer robot posted:That's really the lingering problem of this. Since WWII I understand the average civil war has lasted about four years, while as long as the Arab Spring has been going a common sentiment of internet commenters has seemingly been "well after I read news about Tunisia/Egypt/Syria/Libya/wherever I went to bed, had lunch with some friends, AND marathoned S3 of The Wire, and there still isn't a new government in place? This is a hopless stalemate that will never end!" While it's certainly reasonable to expect foreign air power to shorten the war in Libya, it only goes so far, especially given that when that intervention started things were looking like it was going to be a rout of helpless underequipped rebel forces. Turning that around takes time, and just since we live in a day when news comes out instantly by Twitter doesn't mean everything will happen fast.
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# ¿ Jun 26, 2011 02:18 |
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If I was forced to choose between dying in a bunker surrounded by enemies or fleeing into exile with some hopes for me or mu sons to come back on day in Libya, i would choose exile. But who the gently caress know what Gaddafi is thinking... And honestly i don't know the Gaddafi family well enough to know if they would keep an united facade in exile. It would be funny to see them flee, with plans to destabilize Libya from far away, only to end up in an internal power struggle over money and political leadership. Toplowtech fucked around with this message at 01:51 on Aug 15, 2011 |
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BlackJosh posted:He only has as much control as everyone around him lets him. If his cabinet/advisors and all the higher ups jump ship or make a deal, what can he, at the end of the day just one man, do?
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# ¿ Aug 15, 2011 04:55 |
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Brown Moses posted:This is an alarming story from the Telegraph:
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# ¿ Aug 15, 2011 21:58 |
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An old blog article from March: http://www.iiss.org/whats-new/iiss-voices/?blogpost=154 quote:On Monday, the Pentagon revealed that one of the targets in its recent overnight raids in Libya had been ‘a Scud surface-to-surface missile facility’. Not much has been said in recent weeks about Libya's Scuds, but as a Wikileaks document from 2010 makes clear they were not all destroyed under the 2004 agreement between Libya, the US and UK on dismantling Libya’s WMD programmes.
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# ¿ Aug 15, 2011 22:35 |
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Brown Moses posted:Video report on NATO Fakery, with subtitles:
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# ¿ Aug 18, 2011 19:04 |
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Amused to Death posted:I can only hope it turns into "Ghaddafi flees Libya" before going to bed.
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# ¿ Aug 20, 2011 23:43 |