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Banano
Jan 10, 2005
Soiled Meat

The Casualty posted:

We're all hosed now. Bahrain has cancelled Formula 1.

Welcome to last week.

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Banano
Jan 10, 2005
Soiled Meat

MJB posted:

Christ. How the hell can a person carefully aim a rifle at a kid's head and take a shot? That would give most people pause even if it was war and the kid was armed with intent.

This poo poo in Libya is depressing beyond belief.

More likely a Chadian merc shooting from the hip.

Banano
Jan 10, 2005
Soiled Meat
Hallucination tablets :supaburn:

Banano
Jan 10, 2005
Soiled Meat
Here we go, out comes the green book

Banano
Jan 10, 2005
Soiled Meat
hah, he reckons he hasn't given the order to start using bullets yet.

Banano
Jan 10, 2005
Soiled Meat
BBC has had enough - 'well he's been going on for nearly an hour now...'

Banano
Jan 10, 2005
Soiled Meat


Within golf cart range I'd say.

Banano
Jan 10, 2005
Soiled Meat

Brown Moses posted:

:nms: :nws:

quote:

This is some gruesome footage posted on YouTube purporting to be of the bodies of soldiers found bound and shot in the Fadhil camp in Benghazi. Contains graphic images.

The headline reads:

جنود تم إعدامهم في بعد رفضهم الأوامر بقتل مدنيين ليبيا

["Soldiers executed after refusing orders to kill civilians in Libya"]

:nms: :nws:

Featured video link. Fucks sake YT :smith:

Banano
Jan 10, 2005
Soiled Meat
Gadaffi back on again. He's banging on about hallucinogenic milk again. :catdrugs:

Banano
Jan 10, 2005
Soiled Meat
You don't start out crazy, but if you get into a scenario where nobody tells you 'no' and you can indulge your every whim for forty years straight then that tends to warp your perspective a bit, I'd imagine.

Banano
Jan 10, 2005
Soiled Meat
beeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeep beeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeep beep beep beep beep beep beeeeeeeeeeeeeep

Banano
Jan 10, 2005
Soiled Meat

J33uk posted:

I'm not trying to go all .mil porn in here or anything, but from what I can find the operational ceiling for the F-4 is around 60,000 feet. 74,000 as claimed in the letter is really really loving high. Am I missing something super obvious here? Is the RF-4 variant designed to go way higher than the regular flavor?

Edit: After doing some googling I think there's a typo in that particular copy of the letter. It seems most sources are going with 7400 feet which makes way the hell more sense.

That can't be correct, 7000 feet is nothing, even 7km is below civil airliner cruising altitudes.

70,000 feet is too high though, that is only attainable by something like the U2.

Banano
Jan 10, 2005
Soiled Meat

Pieter posted:

It's always the same pattern in these Apache attacks, with extra bombs dropped on severely wounded people. Isn't that a war crime?

No, because they are merely combatants, therefore we can do absolutely anything we like to them.

Also those single guys they are hitting with hellfires? $68,000 a pop.

Banano fucked around with this message at 01:09 on Jul 19, 2012

Banano
Jan 10, 2005
Soiled Meat
I also love how they treat a guy , possibly injured, after being hit with multiple missile and cannon strikes, pitifully crawling away for his life as 'we got a guy trying to set up on our guys! hit 'im! :byodood:

Banano fucked around with this message at 01:22 on Jul 19, 2012

Banano
Jan 10, 2005
Soiled Meat

farraday posted:

What about this?

http://en.valka.cz/files/odab-500u_187.jpg

The problem is as an ODAB (Fuel Air) I'm not sure the visible internal configuration makes sense. The apparently compartmentalized interior is what really has me thinking cluster bomb.

The spacing of the tail fins is close, but I think overall it doesn't match up.

If anyone is interested in prodding Alex Jones with a stick, his website has an article detailing :tinfoil:BBC Censorship of FSA crimes, shilling for the NWO against blameless man of peace Bashar Al Assad:tinfoil:
Original BBC report is up here while the NYT Chivers report it borderline plagiarises is here. A bit embarrassing for the beeb, but not in the way Jones thinks.

Banano
Jan 10, 2005
Soiled Meat

FORUMS USER 1135 posted:

Possibly for plausible deniability? Drop the IEDs indiscriminately, and if it hits a large group of non-actors blame it on the FSA. The video you posted from Mdaya in Idlib is clearly a compressed gas tank used either for welding or compressed air industrial uses.


This seems the most likely explanation to me, sow as much chaos as possible and then point out 'See? Terrorists are everywhere now, before the rebellion we had peace and everything was under control'

I can't believe Syria would have run out of bombs, all their military planning for the last fifty years will have been based on war with motherfucking Israel so I doubt a few months hit and run fighting with guerillas will have exhausted their supplies. And even if they had, resorting to filling water heaters and oil drums up as some kind of substitute would be inconceivable for a modern military.

As for the dirt in the bombs, I'm not an expert but it's possible it was put in as tamping.

I have however asked someone who is and deals with ordnance for a living to take a look at BMs mystery cluster bomb video over the weekend, hopefully he'll be able to confirm/deny whether its an RBKxx or not.

Banano fucked around with this message at 18:27 on Aug 31, 2012

Banano
Jan 10, 2005
Soiled Meat

Brown Moses posted:

Oh Wikileaks, I thought you used to be cool


Christ alive, what a oval office.

Banano
Jan 10, 2005
Soiled Meat

New Division posted:

The public relations aspect of the Libyan government's support for the US is important, very true, though I have my doubts it will matter that much to Islamophobic folks. Fortunately, that kind of bloodthirsty knee-jerk reaction does not seem to be in cards for this incident.

I'm already seeing 'no instant retaliation = apology from Obummer' type comments on right leaning forums I frequent.

Banano
Jan 10, 2005
Soiled Meat

McDowell posted:

Adam Curtis's "Power of Nightmares" helps explain:

http://thoughtmaybe.com/the-power-of-nightmares/

In addition to covering the NeoCon ideology it covers the history of Islamism. When he was an Egyptian radical Ayman Al Zawahiri tried the same poo poo we are seeing in Libya now. Acts of armed violence trying to "wake up" the masses against the West.

The NeoCons just need foreign policy to be defined in GI Joe/Cobra terms. They lost their minds when the USSR collapsed.

And when the people didn't wake up to their way of thinking, the Islamists took the next logical leap and decided that since the people had become corrupted, they were no longer muslims and could legitimately be killed. Then the downward spiral of insanity continues on to it's logical conclusion:

http://youtu.be/o0kNNqZk3mg?t=40m54s


The power of nightmares is a brilliant piece of work, it should be required viewing prior to any discussion of the modern ME, probably should be part of the school syllabus, but fat loving chance of that happening.

Banano
Jan 10, 2005
Soiled Meat

Fog Tripper posted:

Good lord, what were they considered up til this point?



Yes, I get that. But what were they considered before today?
VVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVV

If you disagreed with them but didn't have the means to disarm or marginalise them without significant bloodshed then it wouldn't really matter to most people.

Human nature would be to hope the problem went away and get on with other things in the meantime.

Banano
Jan 10, 2005
Soiled Meat

Crasscrab posted:

Tanks could be useful if used in a defensive capacity. Going hull down, particularly in urban areas, would make them good for ambushes against other armored units and provide protection against loyalist air cover.

Not for very long. You wouldn't want to stick around your defensive tank for much longer than the time it takes to fire off a handful of rounds. Given the time, effort and risk it would take to get the thing there and dug in/camouflaged it hardly seems worth it.

Banano
Jan 10, 2005
Soiled Meat
He works for him.

:tinfoil:

Banano
Jan 10, 2005
Soiled Meat
christ alive.

:nms:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6dFGh7vxk-k:nms:

I've been out of the loop for a bit, is it still stalemate in Aleppo i.e. fsa nominally holds it in the sense that assad troops won't push into the city proper but the fsa doesn't have the strength to do anything but sit and wait?

Banano
Jan 10, 2005
Soiled Meat
No. afaik he taught himself combat medicine only from youtube videos and similar before he went to Libya, the experience he gained there is probably invaluable, but it's difficult to believe he'll be able to leave his involvement at the field hospital.

Banano
Jan 10, 2005
Soiled Meat

steve1 posted:

loving gently caress. This is probably the worst, most nightmarish video I've seen from this war. Why the hell do we follow this stuff.

If nothing else it is bearing witness which is the very least we can do.
If as distant observers we can watch such things without indulging in the pornographical aspects we can at least start to understand the motives of people who would be labelled 'terrorists' by their government for commiting violence themselves in the hope of preventing further, similar crimes.

Banano
Jan 10, 2005
Soiled Meat

Davincie posted:

Interesting to see so many Chechens. Also does the fact that the foreign brigades are called Jihadis mean they are all of the religious kind? I immagine some of them, like the Turks mentioned should be more secular right?

With regard to the turks there being secularists almost certainly not. I would imagine anyone putting themselves in such real danger is probably motivated by religion. The threat of fascism in the 30s was so overt, obvious, and most of all new/novel that it was bound to be opposed by something like the international brigades. Nowadays it would take something like that video looped unedited on the BBC 6 o'clock news to maybe convince a handful of comfortable westerners to put themselves in the firing line. I admit, it made me want to go caro for all of five minutes :smithicide:

Banano
Jan 10, 2005
Soiled Meat
Absolutely no way western powers could get overtly involved barring some kind of my lai style horror captured on film. Even then there would always be doubts and reservations at home and abroad. The syrians have already been filmed expressing serious doubts about the motivations of foreign muslim fighters, the best we can hope for is significant weapons (SA7s and the like) getting in and becoming widespread.

Banano
Jan 10, 2005
Soiled Meat
Lots of things are possible

Banano
Jan 10, 2005
Soiled Meat

The Ape of Naples posted:

Is it at all plausible to assume that the U.S. would have some stockpile of AK's (and other common "Soviet" small arms) that could be used to supply a fighting force that might need them? It might not be in the case of arming the FSA but just in general. I understand that in this case it's easier to give them cash and they can procure their own but I'm thinking strategically. "Let's be able to airdrop x amount of AKs and RPGs and if they make any headway they can resupply themselves."

If so would the US have purchased them or just collected them from Afghanistan and Iraq?

No, it's idiotic.

As has been mentioned before the CIA provides pallets of money and, if you are really too badly connected to sort things out yourself, a phone number of someone who can provide what you might need.

Banano fucked around with this message at 23:56 on Sep 25, 2012

Banano
Jan 10, 2005
Soiled Meat
I don't think it was banknotes :ssh:

Banano
Jan 10, 2005
Soiled Meat

Raskolnikov38 posted:

All true but its a nearly 70 year assault rifle, in a desert environment no less. I mean a gun is a gun but I can't imagine anyone, even Assad, bothering with the upkeep of them when Kalashnikovs exist in the numbers they do.

From my limited (near non-existant) knowledge of arms collecting those things are worth an absolute fortune - depending on condition, like 10s of thousands of dollars each.

Banano
Jan 10, 2005
Soiled Meat

ufarn posted:

All jokes aside, it's interesting that the president isn't wearing a tie.

And McCain hasn't been shown how to wear one properly :wotwot:

Banano
Jan 10, 2005
Soiled Meat
And Assad has effectively replied with 'make me'. Obama won't because he probably doesn't want to set the entire middle east on fire.

Banano
Jan 10, 2005
Soiled Meat
A pity he wasn't in agony when he went, but oh well.

Now we've probably got a week of the news kissing his rear end for being a warrior statesman etc. etc.


haha, according to the BBC just now he was a 'sometimes controversial figure' :laffo:

Banano
Jan 10, 2005
Soiled Meat

Brown Moses posted:

The guy I'm talking to is planning a big article on him (there's some other stuff going on which isn't out in the open yet), so I've been telling him everything I know. I realised I probably know more about the last year of his life than anyone else, he sent me 1000s of direct messages on Twitter, pretty much a direct stream of consciousness 140 characters at a time, and the Libyan doctor he spent time with in Libya (the same guy in the clip holding the camera and laughing) is sending me all the videos he made, several hundred in total.

I beg you, reupload the one with him gooning out over libyan :killdozer:.

I must have watched the vast majority of the vids he uploaded (mass deletions notwithstanding) and was surprised to find out he was so crazy. Obviously he wasn't completely right just by the fact that he was there in the first place but it seems odd that when he had his hatstand episodes (and loving wow did he have some of those) it only leaked out as text and never in his videos :confused:

Banano
Jan 10, 2005
Soiled Meat
Taking their cues from Cameron etc?

Banano
Jan 10, 2005
Soiled Meat
What sort of effect might illumination rounds have if fired directly at unfortified buildings, assuming they travel at the same velocity as the explodey versions ?

Banano
Jan 10, 2005
Soiled Meat

MaxxBot posted:

.22lr is really surprisingly deadly, it's potentially lethal at pretty much any range you can aim it. I wouldn't trust my life on it or anything but it's a hell of a lot more dangerous than many people think.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OUM1r_444CY

A more authoritative source

http://youtu.be/JDpvkwBBu6U?t=1m26s

Banano
Jan 10, 2005
Soiled Meat

Cocoa Ninja posted:

I'm sure some is. But this is pretty unflattering —

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c1_dELqgUmI

A good example is at 1 minute. They're clearly arguing about who and how many people should cross. And while the officer-ish guy seems to be saying, "Wait a sec..." one guy decides to charge anyways.

It's all very armchair general, what the heck do I know. But when you see the Federal Police (?) in all black moving with relative coordination and more disciplined fire, I just feel bad for these guys.

Edit: Or check out 5:30 for some blind-fire shenanigans. One guy announces a grenade, and his own men almost go, "Oh, grenade!" and hunker down. They're all at random levels of alertness, no one seems to be giving orders.

I dunno that looks like a pure vanity tape for the guy in the helmet to me. First he waves his arms about a bit and gives some orders. Then he jumps on a mortar, fires off a few rounds, looking up in the air to try and see them after each one's been fired :wtc:
Then it's time for a mag dump on the machine gun, a few rounds on an rpg before he breaks out the grenades. gently caress I'd desert from that guys unit so loving fast.

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Banano
Jan 10, 2005
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Brown Moses posted:

If only, ISIS has been running training camps for children for a long time. For example, this kid first appeared in a training camp video, then a video where he's executing two Russian soldiers.


Wait, actual Russian soldiers? As in military advisors to the Assad regime or mercenaries/war tourists?

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