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Bip Roberts
Mar 29, 2005

TapTheForwardAssist posted:

You ain't lyin':



Some of the pro-Ghadaffi stuff reminds me of that one Spanish guy who's a tremendous fan of North Korea and always trying to organise Westerners to support the Juche ideal, disprove all the vicious rumors about how terrible North Korea is, etc.

Being anti-war isn't being pro-Ghadffi, FYI.

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Bip Roberts
Mar 29, 2005

dj_clawson posted:

That's what I always thought but a lot of writers seem to be ditching Newsweek for Time.

I don't see how getting the writers from Newsweek could possibly help the situation.

Bip Roberts
Mar 29, 2005

Ticonderoguy posted:

Smart Money is on Venezuela or some under developed African Nation, like Chad or Nigeria

I don't think Gaddafi wants to go to Chad.

Bip Roberts
Mar 29, 2005

max4me posted:

I dont get it. Is that frodo and what is Gaddagi ridding?

Bob Dylan is not Frodo :colbert:

Bip Roberts
Mar 29, 2005

Contraction mapping posted:

Uh, yeah that's great dude. We're all very impressed by how well-read and enlightened you are, but the Alinsky and Washington connections are far flung tangents to the topic at hand and are basically irrelevant to this thread.

It's closer than you think....

Bip Roberts
Mar 29, 2005

straw man posted:

I figured I'd test the waters. For :science:.

A peer-reviewed study will be forthcoming.

Reviewer #1:

"Pretty weak loving posting"

Bip Roberts
Mar 29, 2005
Nothing says classy like booby-trapping your own country.

Bip Roberts
Mar 29, 2005

Brown Moses posted:

Thomas Friedman weighs in on Libya:

Worth a read.

Tom Friedman is never worth a read.

Bip Roberts
Mar 29, 2005

Narmi posted:

Yeah, I though of the 4chan thing at first too. Thing is, those results were skewed by a massive campaign to get moot at the top, coupled with a horrible voting system. Presumably these are real results, which is why it's so disappointing.

Yeah, but they are real results from the kind of people who think that voting on an online poll is something that may matter.

Bip Roberts
Mar 29, 2005

dj_clawson posted:

Am I the only one with the "shoot Gaddaffi in the drat head" strategy?

Listen to me. We've traced this post... it's coming from 1986!!!

Bip Roberts
Mar 29, 2005
How much recoil does one of those put out seeing as it's only really held in place with a few two-by-fours.

Bip Roberts
Mar 29, 2005

The-Mole posted:

Just don't go around any sharp turns at 30mph

The wikipedia says the whole turret doesn't weigh more than 250 lbs so it might not be too bad.

Bip Roberts
Mar 29, 2005

Poizen Jam posted:

I always hate this argument. I used to use it when I justified my military service and Conservative viewpoints of the time (Often dismissing liberals and democratic socialists as unrealistically idealist on everything from pacifism to anti-death penalty), but it's ultimately an untenable position. It's intellectually dishonest, lazy, and supports the continuing of the status quo because 'CHANGE IS HARD :('

Rrail is literally a mercenary and you don't have to justify his opinion as the way the world really works to him is to get paid to spread misery internationally.

Bip Roberts
Mar 29, 2005

Nilbop posted:

Some of this is ghastly. I understand the need to prove beyond doubt to people that these people are dead but some of this stuff is really grisly.

It actually worth looking at this public corpse decoration through the Foucaultian lens on the need groups have for public punishment.

Bip Roberts
Mar 29, 2005

kylejack posted:

This man is literally Genghis Khan.

I don't think Genghis Khan went broke because his lovely hotels in Atlantic City went bust.

Bip Roberts
Mar 29, 2005

az posted:

Do you have any information about how much military equipment the Syrian military had at the start of the civil war? As in, helicopters, tanks, heavy artillery etc.

Wikipedia has numbers of the arms strength of the Syrian Military.

quote:

10,885 Armoured Fighting Vehicles:
4,950 Main battle tanks (including 1,150 in storage)
1,125 Amphibious Armoured Scout Cars
2,950 Infantry fighting vehicles
1,860 Armoured personnel carriers
4,815+ Towed Artillery Pieces:
1,010+ Mortars
2,130+ Gun/Howitzers (400 in storage)
1,675+ Anti-aircraft guns (300+ in storage)
1,136 Self-Propelled Artillery Pieces:
485 Self-propelled howitzers
650 Self-propelled anti-aircraft guns (240 in storage)
6,890+ Anti Tank Guided Weapon Launchers (4,290 in storage)
500+ Multiple Launch Rocket Systems
86+ Tactical ballistic missile launchers
4,235+ Surface to Air Missile Launchers:
4,000+ MANPADS
235 Self-propelled air-defence systems

This isn't necessity the same as working pieces of military equipment with able operators, but it's a lot of guns.

Bip Roberts
Mar 29, 2005

MothraAttack posted:

Yeah man and that whole Middle East, how's about that!

But derail aside, if these aren't merely test kits the rebels uncovered then it shows that Assad's fairly respectable number of chemical weapons are vulnerable to seizure. If that is indeed the case, how long until outside powers -- even just black ops -- are on the ground to assure their safety? Especially granting the considerable gains rebels have made in the past week, noted in this thread and elsewhere, that seem to signal a changing tide in the war?

The thing about chemical weapons is even though they are Real Bad, they're really not that much worse than conventional weapons in terms of killing potential and certainly not as bad as the N or B in NBC. Even with highly weaponized chemical agents dispersal is still very difficult.

Bip Roberts
Mar 29, 2005

Young Freud posted:

Biological weapons are probably even more laughable in effectiveness, at least anti-personnel uses. Too hard to disperse, too big a risk of backfiring, and not really effective against a developed nation that has access to antibotics and vaccines. Anti-agricultural bioweapons are probably better, but has the same risks.

The only WMD that really matters is nuclear weapons.

Well biological weapons, when done right, can have a huge killing potential. Properly weaponized anthrax has probably the highest killing potential of any weapon known to man, including the hydrogen bomb. It's just extremely difficult to manufacture and disperse.

Bip Roberts
Mar 29, 2005

Brown Moses posted:

This really fishy video video has been posted online supposedly showing an opposition member preparing poisonous gases and killing bunnies, claiming he'll do the same to Alawites. Can any chemistry experts take a look at the compounds and chemicals on display and provide any more info?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hDtVigGU0U4

Looking over that I don't see any potential for any great chemical production. My guess is the reaction he is performing is similar to the chlorine gas production you can get from mixing household bleach and ammonia.

Bip Roberts
Mar 29, 2005

Muscle Tracer posted:

I think the meaning there was that if we were to get involved now, that would be the question. If we are going to act like the world police, why not do it sooner rather than later?

Because history tells us that when we get involved we do so in the worst way possible. We choose to arm the most horrible people. We destroy the most important institutions and leave the corrupt in place. Basically the historical view should tell you that anything else than nothing is probably worse than the status-quo.

Bip Roberts
Mar 29, 2005

cgeq posted:

You could argue that if the more secular/liberal elements of the uprising had been given greater support earlier in the conflict, then all the extremist groups wouldn't have grown so powerful. It seems like a fine argument.

When in history has the US chosen to arm leftists over theocrats?

Bip Roberts
Mar 29, 2005

Pedrophile posted:

This also leads to the problem where extremists have come in and filled the gaps, potentially making post-assad syria even less friendly towards the west.

Being unfriendly to the west isn't the problem that extremists bring that makes them undesirable.

Bip Roberts
Mar 29, 2005

Brown Moses posted:

Another example of a VBIED being used in Syria

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZRgswiS1r9U

I've also put together a blog post with some of the videos I've been sent over the past week.

As it's the end of the year I'd thought I'd do a post with the most interesting videos from Syria in the past year, so if you have any suggestions post them here.

Besides being a really big goddamn bomb was this a miss? They focus onto a specific building a whole lot before the bomb goes off and then the explosion occurs to the side by a bit. Also how do they remote control that? It seems like either they need a video link or an overhead view.

Bip Roberts
Mar 29, 2005

Crasscrab posted:

Please, tell me more about how the Syrian Ba'aathist government is a "radical Islamic" government. :allears:

I don't think that's what Warbadger was saying at all.

Bip Roberts
Mar 29, 2005

Muffiner posted:

You expect the higher ups to condone such actions?

The point of death squads is you assign local control to units so you don't have to order atrocities yourself.

Bip Roberts
Mar 29, 2005

McDowell posted:

So is it a safe guess that the murder of thee Kurdish Activists in Paris today is a new twist in all this?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-20968375

Has killing decedents abroad been part of the MO for Turkish intelligence?

Bip Roberts
Mar 29, 2005
You don't have to be outraged to maintain a strong skepticism based on 500 years of horrible history with regards to France in Africa.

Bip Roberts
Mar 29, 2005

Uncle Jam posted:

Wow, nice eyes.

Is the consensus that the rocket was powered when it was incoming? I know that an unpowered munition can make a pretty hellacious noise coming in, but I wouldn't know the different myself.

I thought that most rockets of that sort were supersonic and there wouldn't be an audio warning?

Bip Roberts
Mar 29, 2005
Who shot the tank video? It uses a tripod and doesn't have the usually commentary.

Bip Roberts
Mar 29, 2005

Brown Moses posted:

Here's a unique and :nws: video filmed by an Assad soldier of his fellow soldier firing out a window and getting a nasty surprise

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_Ai2W3pmPs

What happened here? It got taken down and I assume I'm glad I didn't watch it.

Bip Roberts
Mar 29, 2005

Zeroisanumber posted:

Is that a wire-guided missile?

It's wire guided. Also the vectored thrust guidance looks really cool on video.

Bip Roberts
Mar 29, 2005
Is there any chance to hit a plane at that distance and speed with small arms not to mention if they could harm it?

Bip Roberts
Mar 29, 2005

Brown Moses posted:

Here's my segment with ITN's Truthloader talking about the escalation in the conflict, with lots of footage from my video archives so you don't have to look at my face

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rHFOs-s4bho

That's a nice piece you have there. Good job on that.

Bip Roberts
Mar 29, 2005

Dr. Tough posted:

The comments are pretty hilarious so far, although I'm not sure what "ZOG" is.

It's for "Zionist Occupation Government". It's big with the Ron Paul/Deez Images people.

Bip Roberts
Mar 29, 2005
When we're talking about "heavy machine-guns" do we mean truck mounted 50 cals or do the rebels have the quad mounted heavy guns like ZSU-23s?

Bip Roberts
Mar 29, 2005
Well if it wasn't already official we now have a bona fide proxy war between Saudi Arabia and Iran.

Bip Roberts
Mar 29, 2005

Charliegrs posted:

What makes you so sure the US has no hand at all in these weapon transfers?

For one I wouldn't be surprised if Obama is looking at this and comparing it to Reagan arming the Mujahideen in eyeing his legacy.

Bip Roberts
Mar 29, 2005
And somehow both sides manage to miss the footage of the tank attack completely.

Bip Roberts
Mar 29, 2005

Muscle Tracer posted:

Which made explosives, not chemical weapons.

Outside of the political ramifications chemical weapons aren't that much magically worse than chemical explosives.

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Bip Roberts
Mar 29, 2005

Xandu posted:

There's some claims on twitter/facebook that the FSA shot an Iranian cargo plane carrying weapons as it was landing in Damascus.

https://twitter.com/AliNahar/status/317065895996432385

Did they just shoot it or did they shoot it down?

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