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future ghost
Dec 5, 2005

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Love that video of the kid using the green flag to wipe down cars on AJE.


I hadn't been following the conflict that closely lately, but I was stunned after reading that the Nafusa group had annihilated regime resistance throughout the west, and then was equally stunned after they captured and actually held the cities & towns surrounding Tripoli.

I like how the NTC was saying they were settling in for a siege while simultaneously (maybe, unconfirmed) smuggling in weapons for a general uprising. I thought I misread the BBC article today when they were saying there was major combat inside the city. That's way more organization than I would have thought possible on the rebel side.

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future ghost
Dec 5, 2005

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Just heard about this. Burn in hell you shitheel.


I hope they capture Saif alive though (for real this time).

future ghost
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Brown Moses posted:

This is apparently a new :nms: video of Gaddafi being all Weekend at Bernies
It's interesting how much I personally disliked Gaddafi, as I just watched that while eating, and expected it would bother me.

It did not. I'm probably some kind of monster.

future ghost
Dec 5, 2005

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etalian posted:

Might as well have maintained the status quo instead of going into scary unknown territory.

If there's any chance a revolution against a brutal leader will have a painful recovery process it should even be attempted.

My boss is Israeli, so he didn't exactly share my enthusiasm when were talking about Gaddafi today. He's definitely pro-status quo. I tried to argue that security based on one man being able to strong-arm an entire population isn't really security (see: Egypt), but he wasn't having it. I didn't feel like pressing the point further given that he writes my checks. He did concede that a man who outright trained and supported terrorists (Black September/Lockerbie) is better off gone though.


Revolutions are messy, and it's hard to argue that a power vacuum and possible civil war is worthwhile in every situation. Still, dictatorship is bad for long-term stability, and all it will do in the end is create more radicals of any stripe.

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future ghost
Dec 5, 2005

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etalian posted:

It more because dicks such Mubarak made political agreements with Israel and once a revolution takes over there's no guarantee that past agreements will fly with the new populist government.

I agree that that's a huge (and worrying, given the attack on the embassy) part of it, but his reasoning was that "they don't understand democracy so they need a dictator to stomp on them" (his words).

future ghost
Dec 5, 2005

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de_dust2 posted:

Well backed by the western government and NATO, I would assume it was from them.

The ones that weren't looted from loyalist stockpiles were provided by Qatar. All of this is public record.


Edit: Oops, this thread moves quickly.
Edit2: Didn't know if this was posted yet, but looks like Iran and Turkey are cooperating on the Kurdistan raids:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-15407142

future ghost fucked around with this message at 00:06 on Oct 22, 2011

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future ghost
Dec 5, 2005

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etalian posted:

Not to mention skimming billions of dollars every year to go on spending sprees along with his rotten progeny while a majority of his country suffered.

A family friend who works for a local production company was whining that they weren't going to get to do a regular show in Barbados this year. I asked him why not, and he said it's usually a Gaddafi event :psyduck: . Yeah, I don't think that's happening this time around.

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