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I dunno if it helps, but generally my behaviour in the forums is to read through a thread as far as it goes, etc. then switching out to another forum using the quick-nav at the bottom or going back to the forum list screen. I rarely go back a page in a thread. So, someone mentioned using the Back hardware button to go back a page, but I'd like that to go back to the last forum list instead of the previous page. I think it'd make more sense as far as Activities go, too, assuming I'm dumb for thinking an activity/page is a bit much or even what was the intended design. One thing about the design though, is if you hit back to go back the old activity, you'd have to refresh the page anyway since it's stale. I'd almost think it'd be easier to keep your own navigation journal and make a new activity regardless to update the data. On touchscreens, I don't use the quick nav... my fat sausage fingers can't handle it. 
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big mean giraffe posted:I really doubt anyone's gonna be using this on tablets. I'll be using it on my nook color, seeing how it's my only android device. The newer tablet devices with Honeycomb are probably going to forgo a hardware menu button, just something to consider. Also instead of the compose button, a main "Forum List" button could be there in the forum view?
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Ferg posted:I asked for a compose button, so that it could be used when viewing a thread. Consider that mockup more an idea of the "look and feel" and nothing set in stone. fudsak posted:Wouldn't a 'reply' button be more fitting? It doesn't need to show up until you're viewing a thread, of course. I think a single compose button that works as 'new thread' in forums and 'reply' in threads is the best solution. The use of the 'new thread' button in threads is probably not that high anyway and it prevents people from accidentally posting new threads. Honestly I'm not sure why that button is in threads in the first place.
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Ferg posted:The SALR thing is the 1...or the ?...or one of them. Not that one though. I don't have SALR, period. I have yellow page, #, and ? right next to the post timestamp.
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Kazy posted:I'll be using it on my nook color, seeing how it's my only android device. I think the point was that if you're on a tablet, wouldn't you just view the forums in the browser?
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Casao posted:Don't plan on hw buttons. Honeycomb doesn't require them, and the action bar is the new plan for Honeycomb and Ice Cream. Kazy posted:I'll be using it on my nook color, seeing how it's my only android device. The "Action bar" in current Android apps (e.g. Note Everything/Gmail) is just a design pattern/choice the programmer makes, as opposed to apps targetted at 3.0 which automagically have an action bar instead of a title bar. If HC runs an app targetted at Gingerbread and below it adds a software menu button for accessing menu in the bottom system bar. So in short as long as the assets are built to guidelines, tablet users don't have anything to worry about.
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fudsak posted:Wouldn't a 'reply' button be more fitting? It doesn't need to show up until you're viewing a thread, of course. That's my point. Actionbar buttons change context depending on whatever you're doing in the app. All that mockup shows (to me) is what the reply/compose icon will look like. Not what the actionbar will necessary look like for browsing threads.
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Midjack posted:I don't have SALR, period. I have yellow page, #, and ? right next to the post timestamp. Then it's the 1 link, which allows direct linking to a specific post. Solved! dirtyfrog posted:I think the point was that if you're on a tablet, wouldn't you just view the forums in the browser? I've got my Xoom pre-order in, and will probably not be actively porting this. I just don't see the need.
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I think an "Action Bar" just takes up too much real estate. This app is supposed to make reading the forums easier on a small screen, and chopping off a bit of the screen to slap on some controls doesn't seem all that beneficial when viewed in that light. I'd much rather all the various and sundry controls be conveniently located under the menu button, with perhaps the forum name and thread title in a little tiny bar at the top to remind me where I am.
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foghorn posted:I think an "Action Bar" just takes up too much real estate. This app is supposed to make reading the forums easier on a small screen, and chopping off a bit of the screen to slap on some controls doesn't seem all that beneficial when viewed in that light. I'd much rather all the various and sundry controls be conveniently located under the menu button, with perhaps the forum name and thread title in a little tiny bar at the top to remind me where I am. Then what about thinning the size of it? Getting rid of it makes going to the next page a two-step process. In fact, it makes everything a two-step process. I'd rather sacrifice screen real-estate for a context-specific set of controls than hide everything where it's not readily available.
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Help me out here if I'm wrong, but my impression of the current conception of the action bar is that it scrolls along with you as you go down the page, staying at the top of your screen at all times. Why not just anchor an action bar at the top and bottom of the thread? Most of the times that you want to make a new post or go to the next page are when you've either read all the posts or read all the posts on that page, respectively. That solves the problem of screen real estate and keeps the action bar available when most people will want it anyway.
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Ferg posted:Then what about thinning the size of it? Getting rid of it makes going to the next page a two-step process. In fact, it makes everything a two-step process. I'd rather sacrifice screen real-estate for a context-specific set of controls than hide everything where it's not readily available. How about offering these options: a) permanently located at the top/bottom of the screen b) fixed to the top/bottom of the page - it'll scroll away with the rest of the page c) disabled - everything is done through the menu
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^^^^^^ Welp, this. What about having the "ActionBar" appear when you press the menu button, and not be there otherwise? Or failing that, clamiam45's idea would work as well.
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clamiam45 posted:Help me out here if I'm wrong, but my impression of the current conception of the action bar is that it scrolls along with you as you go down the page, staying at the top of your screen at all times. Why not just anchor an action bar at the top and bottom of the thread? Most of the times that you want to make a new post or go to the next page are when you've either read all the posts or read all the posts on that page, respectively. That solves the problem of screen real estate and keeps the action bar available when most people will want it anyway. Because what if you want to skip ahead before getting to the end? Or if you want to post without scrolling to the bottom? As somebody who's using the app, I can tell you, it's a long ways to scroll. quadratic posted:How about offering these options: Because this is way too complicated, both in implementation and as a use case. Maybe post-release we can talk about the option to disable it in favor of all-menu button, but initially, that's just way too complex. Vaos posted:^^^^^^ Welp, this. Overriding the menu button is as taboo as overriding the back button in my mind. Maybe somebody can back me up here. It's there for a reason. But like I said, maybe post release offering the option to not render the actionbar is feasible.
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Ferg posted:Overriding the menu button is as taboo as overriding the back button in my mind. Maybe somebody can back me up here. It's there for a reason. But like I said, maybe post release offering the option to not render the actionbar is feasible. Yeah, probably something that can wait until after the app is finished. Also on the feature request list for 1.1: Disable all images (low bandwidth option) Going off BullChicken's idea of having a bar with the forum name at the top, might it be a good idea to replace the full name of the forum with the shortened acronym? I'm thinking a giant "If Else" statement correlating the forumid number with the acronym, with a dangling "else" statement to take up the slack for new forums until the list can be updated.
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Ferg posted:Because what if you want to skip ahead before getting to the end? Or if you want to post without scrolling to the bottom? As somebody who's using the app, I can tell you, it's a long ways to scroll. Yeah you're 100% right that if you frequently want to skip ahead or post before reading all the posts on your page that a traveling action bar would be best. I'm probably biased because I usually do read or skim all the posts on the page before moving pages. Most of my SA reading is done by subscribing to threads and then clicking on "jump to last read post" in the control panel when new posts come up. I guess it comes down to your best guess of what will work for most people versus the amount of coding time you want to spend on this.
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What I meant is still display the normal menu, but with the Action Bar at the top added. Completely overriding the menu button seems a bad idea indeed.
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foghorn posted:Also on the feature request list for 1.1: Disable all images (low bandwidth option)
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dirtyfrog posted:I think the point was that if you're on a tablet, wouldn't you just view the forums in the browser? Because some tablets still render the images for the last read and mark unread small enough that it's easy to click one when you're trying to click the other v  vfoghorn posted:Going off BullChicken's idea of having a bar with the forum name at the top, might it be a good idea to replace the full name of the forum with the shortened acronym? I'm thinking a giant "If Else" statement correlating the forumid number with the acronym, with a dangling "else" statement to take up the slack for new forums until the list can be updated. It's probably best to keep the full name, even if it needs to be truncated.
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Vaos posted:What I meant is still display the normal menu, but with the Action Bar at the top added. Completely overriding the menu button seems a bad idea indeed. The normal menu will always be there, it will just contain the less important options for the context of where you are. For example, on the forums index screen, it probably makes sense to have the User control panel right there in the actionbar. Probably not while viewing a thread though, so it would go in the menu. This is all something that Honeycomb supports natively mind you, contextual changes in the actionbar. So get used to seeing it in more apps. Kazy posted:Because some tablets still render the images for the last read and mark unread small enough that it's easy to click one when you're trying to click the other v I plan on hacking heavily with Honeycomb later this week. If it's easy to port it's possibly something worth considering, but honestly, the reason I never made this app before is because I found the browser on my phone to be perfectly sufficient. Kazy posted:It's probably best to keep the full name, even if it needs to be truncated. Meh, wait and see how much text wraps. Best not to optimize until you know there's a problem I say.
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Anyone working on graphics for this great great app, I was looking to lend a hand if needed. I don't have PM's currently, but you can hit me up at absolutezombie at gmail(dot)com.
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PlaneGuy posted:On touchscreens, I don't use the quick nav... my fat sausage fingers can't handle it.
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LastInLine posted:Not that this is the thread for this, but you know if you touch the quick nav box, that it pops up a large window for you to scroll and select the option you want, right? not on windows it don't :horns.aiff: I probably use it instinctively on my phone, but forgot.
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I'm no graphic designer, but I made an icon with everyone's favorite emoticon: Anxiously awaiting a usable build of this.
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1997 posted:I'm no graphic designer, but I made an icon with everyone's favorite emoticon: I dig this. We can put the app icon up to a vote if everybody wants. Like I said, the grenade logo debate has me a little meh about using it. Perfect reason to be creative with it.
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1997 posted:I'm no graphic designer, but I made an icon with everyone's favorite emoticon:
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1997 posted:I'm no graphic designer, but I made an icon with everyone's favorite emoticon: Hell, I MADE the grenade icon and I like this one better.
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1997 posted:I'm no graphic designer, but I made an icon with everyone's favorite emoticon: This is a collaborative goon project; Could you make this 40% more steampunk plz?
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Thanks guys, I made that in a rush. I have to go to some family emergency type things but I'll be able to make a better one tonight. (Took the frog from a GIS search)
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LastInLine posted:This is so great. A white version of the frog for the actionbar in place of the grenade may also be great, if done right.
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1997 posted:I'm no graphic designer, but I made an icon with everyone's favorite emoticon: I'd like to see a dedicated Bookmarked Threads button. I'm not sure about everyone else, but when I use the app on my iOS device it's basically how I browse my threads. I'm sure the other half of people just read through the forums/sub forums normally, but I think it's a bad idea to ignore those that want to just track there bookmarked threads first, and read new threads second.\ The other thing, again that the iOS app is lacking that you may want to consider is a small quote and reply button to the right of each post, perhaps in the user title bar. VVV You're right that works better, still like a quick access to the bookmarks somehow though. McLarenF1 fucked around with this message at Feb 21, 2011 around 20:50 |
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McLarenF1 posted:The other thing, again that the iOS app is lacking that you may want to consider is a small quote and reply button to the right of each post, perhaps in the user title bar. I'd much rather see a long-press-this-post-to-quote option.
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Aatrek posted:I'd much rather see a long-press-this-post-to-quote option. Yeah, like I suggested earlier, long press on the post brings up stuff like quote, report, etc, anything to do with the post, and long press on the avatar area brings up poster specific stuff like profile, rap sheet, post history, etc.
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McLarenF1 posted:Totally agree this is awesome! Totally agree with your first point, this is how I browse the forums in general. I think the action bar button to take the user to the User Control Panel is planned to address this style of browsing. As to adding a small quote/reply button, I prefer the long press context menu for this action. edit: efb Glimm fucked around with this message at Feb 21, 2011 around 20:54 |
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It seems there is some confusion.. SALR is nowhere near this computer.
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ZShakespeare posted:It seems there is some confusion.. I don't think there is any confusion. We already came to that conclusion hours ago.
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Aatrek posted:I'd much rather see a long-press-this-post-to-quote option. Yeah, this is basically how the iOS version works. You do a long press on the top bar, where the avatar and user name are, and it brings up the options to quote, mark read up to here, etc. I'm probably a little biased since I have had some hand in creating it, but I think it works well.
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Dixie Cretin Seaman posted:This is a collaborative goon project; Could you make this 40% more steampunk plz? Imagine four balls on the edge of a cliff. Say a direct copy of the ball nearest the cliff is sent to the back of the line of balls and takes the place of the first ball. The formerly first ball becomes the second, the second becomes the third, and the fourth falls off the cliff. ListView works the same way. I really hope more people than just Ferg in this thread have written enough Android code to find this as funny as I do. 
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Karanth posted:Imagine four balls on the edge of a cliff. Say a direct copy of the ball nearest the cliff is sent to the back of the line of balls and takes the place of the first ball. The formerly first ball becomes the second, the second becomes the third, and the fourth falls off the cliff.  It also helps that I found the Johnny reference in New Vegas the other day and almost died laughing. God bless the power of Something Awful.
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ZShakespeare posted:It seems there is some confusion.. I totally don't have that.
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