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pixaal posted:You could pull the internet from your PS3 if it angers you, or bring stuff to bribe them. I am 4 out of 4 on foreign senators not wanting a loving thing I brought in. That's hell on my confirmation bias.
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sentrygun posted:You don't get the bonus list if you skip stages. Item level progression is 1/floor travelled + bonuses (level orbs, fortune telling, etc.), so besides wanting to beat stages that have level orbs on them while holding the level orbs to get their bonus, there's no real benefit to completing floors unless you want the bonus list stuff. Wait, so it levels up just the same whether you clear the floor or not? Does this apply to all the games?
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| # ? Sep 13, 2011 00:12 |
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ChaoticSeven posted:Just the usual bonus gauge stuff, which seems to be pretty nice in item world. I fought one of those dragon head chess piece-ish dudes named Let's Go Out. It made me laugh.
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| # ? Sep 13, 2011 00:12 |
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5er posted:I am 4 out of 4 on foreign senators not wanting a loving thing I brought in. That's hell on my confirmation bias. I take a grab-bag of various items every time I hit the Senate and it's still touch-and-go whether I'll have the foreign senator's desired item. It's great when I guess correctly and all the hearts pop out. It's nice to know that rushing through Item World doesn't impact the item's stat progression. A quick jaunt frequently results in a L20 item that lasts for a while. Okay, I've added in the PSN names of everyone who's posted so far. Samurai Sanders, please link my post in the OP 
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gravyflood posted:Wait, so it levels up just the same whether you clear the floor or not? Does this apply to all the games? Yes. I can't remember if fortunes are a flat number increase or a % increase, but I'm almost certain it's the former. Level orbs have only been around in D3/D4 and have worked the same way both times. Most people doing Item World runs use a flying unit (Tink, Desco, Mothmen, D3's Asagi Flying Evility, etc.) and put a bunch of boots on them to have them zip through straight to the exit, pulling out the big guns on another character to blow up the Gate Guard first if one exists. Clearing 100 kill maps is boring and awful and hasn't been a requirement to get to the bottom of a legendary item ever. EDIT: Clarification on Gate Guards, they can't be lifted, so even if you could bolt through an item leaps and bounds ahead of your actual average level before the enemies get a single turn, if you can't kill the Gate Guards it's pointless. In addition, I forgot to mention that killing Item Generals/Kings/Gods/Etc. gives you a boost in item level gain. This in combination with there being a Gency as the Bonus Level 0 item on all floors a multiple of 10 means you should at least clear out those floors proper, though if you've got more Gencies than you know what to do with, just killing the elite unit and taking the portal works just as well. Aside from specific game events (D4 has a mystery room where the Item Worlder gives you a Gency), that's the only way to get Gencies. sentrygun fucked around with this message at Sep 13, 2011 around 00:27 |
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 The Samurai Robe gives +1 Move Someone please tell me it does not have some kind of hidden, terrible side effect becuase I just gave one to like, everybody.
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| # ? Sep 13, 2011 00:28 |
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nftyw posted:
Several weapons and gear have +MV/+JM on them despite not being specifically listed since there isn't a +MV or +JM point on the stat overview, so you can only see them if you try them on. If you're fine with sacrificing stats, you can stick with those until they get too weak to warrant the +MV/+JM. I don't have a list on hand of the gear that does have those bonuses though.
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| # ? Sep 13, 2011 00:32 |
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sentrygun posted:Most people doing Item World runs use a flying unit (Tink, Desco, Mothmen, D3's Asagi Flying Evility, etc.) and put a bunch of boots on them to have them zip through straight to the exit, pulling out the big guns on another character to blow up the Gate Guard first if one exists. Clearing 100 kill maps is boring and awful and hasn't been a requirement to get to the bottom of a legendary item ever. So far I've had success with using Fenrich and his Fist skills to pull/push Gate Guards.
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| # ? Sep 13, 2011 00:34 |
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Cheap Trick posted:So far I've had success with using Fenrich and his Fist skills to pull/push Gate Guards. And go figure I forgot about this. I never really did this since I usually overpower Item Worlds I enter, but yeah, anything that repositions an enemy will work too, and it doesn't even have to be able to hit, so your level 1 Bouncer could push a level 9999 Rifle Demon off even though there's no way he'd actually land the hit since the reposition happens regardless of hit/miss.
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| # ? Sep 13, 2011 00:37 |
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sentrygun posted:Several weapons and gear have +MV/+JM on them despite not being specifically listed since there isn't a +MV or +JM point on the stat overview, so you can only see them if you try them on. If you're fine with sacrificing stats, you can stick with those until they get too weak to warrant the +MV/+JM. I don't have a list on hand of the gear that does have those bonuses though. I just found out the 'Kaguya' gun gives +1 move. I'm going to leave that glued to my Masked Hero item world gate rusher once I buy a better one for my thief that's using it now. 
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| # ? Sep 13, 2011 00:46 |
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Shadow Ninja 64 posted:I cannot wait until I get all the proper grinding poo poo in line so I can murder any and all Foreign Ministers that decide they wanna come in and gently caress with my Senate hearings. I've been destroying most foreign senators because most of the people playing this game are still pretty low leveled at average. Overlord K posted:I just found out the 'Kaguya' gun gives +1 move. I'm going to leave that glued to my Masked Hero item world gate rusher once I buy a better one for my thief that's using it now. I enjoy the fact that the Masked Hero's move is basically his attack stat now; if you have ~10 move, you get 1.5 speed. Once I start reincarnating him up, any move he makes will leave him practically unhittable. I loving love Masked Heroes 
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| # ? Sep 13, 2011 01:00 |
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Finally got my DLC code  .I heard there's a way to share ps3 games and stuff like that. Is there a way I can share DLC too? i MIGHT be interested in sharing the flonne dlc code with the few here who didn't make it on time. [that is if this isn't breaking the rules that is.]
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| # ? Sep 13, 2011 01:03 |
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^^^Yeah we got a whole thread for game/DLC sharing, it's fine. I dunno if it works with codes though.Cheap Trick posted:Okay, I've added in the PSN names of everyone who's posted so far. Samurai Sanders, please link my post in the OP Hey hey you missed me! I'm Troffen. And goddamn the jump in difficulty on Zetta is massive. It's back to grinding for me 
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| # ? Sep 13, 2011 01:05 |
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Overlord K posted:I just found out the 'Kaguya' gun gives +1 move. I'm going to leave that glued to my Masked Hero item world gate rusher once I buy a better one for my thief that's using it now. Ah, is that what everyone uses Masked Heroes for? Makes sense. I was kinda wondering why they have such a good rep when everything but their Movement, Jump and Speed Aptitude isn't that good. Unless I'm a stupid and I'm missing something. On that note, out of all the unlockable classes which ones are actually worth using aside from Archer, Masked Hero, Ninja, Lady Samurai, Professor and Android? I haven't heard a lot of good things about the other classes and I'm beginning to wonder if they're worth my time at all. Edit: Whoops, almost forgot to mention that I'm Veblen01 on PSN. Good luck finding anything from me online though, since my PS3's wireless connection is tetchy as hell.
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| # ? Sep 13, 2011 01:06 |
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Yeahhhh, post-game. I cheesed up through Flonne and Raspberyl mostly by exploiting range and AI, but Etna wrecked my poo poo almost immediately. Also, I think I went past 150 turns beating Ordeals 3 since I was so underleveled and had to do a bunch of throwing and tricks with Emizel on the base square. Ordeals 4 just laughed and poo poo all over my plans. Oh well, guess it's level grinding and item world time.
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| # ? Sep 13, 2011 01:17 |
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Jetpack Postman posted:Ah, is that what everyone uses Masked Heroes for? Makes sense. I was kinda wondering why they have such a good rep when everything but their Movement, Jump and Speed Aptitude isn't that good. No, people like masked hero because they can fly(dash through monsters) and I think they get a +3 move Evility. Being able to use all the +move gear doesn't hurt either, though.
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| # ? Sep 13, 2011 01:21 |
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Jetpack Postman posted:Ah, is that what everyone uses Masked Heroes for? Makes sense. I was kinda wondering why they have such a good rep when everything but their Movement, Jump and Speed Aptitude isn't that good. Unless I'm a stupid and I'm missing something. Beast Master is pretty badass, even more so if you're using monsters at all.
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| # ? Sep 13, 2011 01:22 |
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Screen name is daz1ner
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| # ? Sep 13, 2011 03:19 |
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Okay, from reading this thread, I think I decided to try Disgaea 2. I made it about to the Power Rangers parody in Disgaea 1 before I gave up, and I have to admit, the 999999999 gimmicks and everything just turned me off. I just kind of hate games that feel they need to ramp up the numbers so goddamn high when they could just cut loving 3-4 digits off and scale everything back. Maybe this is just RPG nerdery and how the max things tend to be 255/999/9999 respectively (for computery reasons). Is 2 a good place to jump in? I'm pretty repulsed by most things Anime, but damnit, I love me some SRPG and I've been ignoring the series for too long I think.
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Good Citizen posted:Yeahhhh, post-game. I cheesed up through Flonne and Raspberyl mostly by exploiting range and AI, but Etna wrecked my poo poo almost immediately. Also, I think I went past 150 turns beating Ordeals 3 since I was so underleveled and had to do a bunch of throwing and tricks with Emizel on the base square. Ordeals 4 just laughed and poo poo all over my plans. There's a faster way to do it if you want to use Evil Symbols and Desco. Use 9-4 to level up Desco until she's about level 400. Turn her giant, she can cover the entire field with one attack once she learns her ultimate attack. She learns it at level 100, I think. Make sure you're fuse her with a nekomata; they'll split their exp that way, and a few steps later Nekos are important. Put Volcanus on an Aura Pyramid with her, and Fenrich on the Training Ground with her. After level 400, take her to Ordeal 4 and use that Giant attack to kill all but two of the enemies. Have someone with good reach grab one of the remaining guards and the remaining one will almost definiely kill him instead of attacking Desco. Do this until Fenrich is level 500. After about half an hour you should be able to take care of the board at maximum enemy strength, with surrounding Desco with five people and casting braveheart on her. Feel free to shove two other people in the Training Ground with him. I put Volcanus in the Aura Pyramid so she could max out braveheart, since it doesn't seem to stack in this game. Once you can get Big Bang, do so, and equip a Giant Nekomata fist on him and surround with with Volcanus and Val. Lower Val's HP if you have the Evility that boosts Fenrich's stats when Val's health is low. With the enemy level at 20, you need about 105K Atk to take care of the lot of them with a level 4 Giant Big Bang. There's also a +50% Atk Geoblock if you need it. It's not as efficient as just trashing a 3x3 square of guys, but it works once you get the rhythm of it down. Typing it out, I guess it doesn't seem like it's much faster, but it really only took a couple of hours to make an unstoppable Nekomata and go through quite a few monster tiers, as well as making Fenrich super powerful.
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Digital Scumbag posted:Okay, from reading this thread, I think I decided to try Disgaea 2. I made it about to the Power Rangers parody in Disgaea 1 before I gave up, and I have to admit, the 999999999 gimmicks and everything just turned me off. I just kind of hate games that feel they need to ramp up the numbers so goddamn high when they could just cut loving 3-4 digits off and scale everything back. Maybe this is just RPG nerdery and how the max things tend to be 255/999/9999 respectively (for computery reasons). The latest in the series is a good place to jump in. If you've got a PSP, get the portable version of D2. If you've got a PS3, get D4. If you've only got a PS2, D2 is fine, but the story's worse than D1 and numbers/grinding are the name of the game in Disgaea. If that kind of thing turns you off from it, you won't like any of the games. If more reasonable numbers and less grinding are what you're looking for, I'd suggest looking around at other SRPGs, unless you've torn through all the major ones already.
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| # ? Sep 13, 2011 03:46 |
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sentrygun posted:unless you've torn through all the major ones already. Even Hoshigami, Covenant of the Plume, Saiyuki...
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| # ? Sep 13, 2011 03:48 |
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sentrygun posted:The latest in the series is a good place to jump in. If you've got a PSP, get the portable version of D2. If you've got a PS3, get D4. If you've only got a PS2, D2 is fine, but the story's worse than D1 and numbers/grinding are the name of the game in Disgaea. If that kind of thing turns you off from it, you won't like any of the games. If more reasonable numbers and less grinding are what you're looking for, I'd suggest looking around at other SRPGs, unless you've torn through all the major ones already. Well if he disslikes anime then gently caress any game for story, and the mechanics are better in each one so the newer the better. Use the story as needed to advance.
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God I fucking love Diablo 3 gold, it even paid for this shitty title
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Rascyc posted:You don't actually reset your password through the PSN web page anymore. You do it through Qriocity. This was a result of all the hacking stuff. The main Qriocity page is at: http://www.qriocity.com/us/en/ Don't think I'll be buying any DLC, becuase that would require me to give them my credit card to gently caress up with. 
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| # ? Sep 13, 2011 03:53 |
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Zereth posted:So the recover password thing just sends me to a "not working" page instead of directing me to the actual place I do it. GOOD loving JOB, SONY. good news! you can buy most on Amazon for the same price and then enter a code! (Or you can buy at a discount with goons and have someone else buy) e: I recently bought and shared Disgaea 3 DLC using amazon, was really easy to buy and setup the account. So don't let hating sony get in the way of loving NIS.
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Digital Scumbag posted:Even Hoshigami, Covenant of the Plume, Saiyuki... I don't even know what those are, so I'm going to assume Disgaea is the only one you haven't played. Honestly, Disgaea is a fairly different SRPG. I don't know if I can play another SRPG without being able to lift and throw units, just won't feel right anymore. If you still have your Disgaea 1 copy laying around, pick it back up, try it out some more and see if you can take a liking to it. If you can't, just don't bother, Disgaea is more of a series where a new campaign and a couple new features get added and it's boxed and shipped as a new game. If you didn't like the first one, you probably won't like any of them.
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| # ? Sep 13, 2011 03:55 |
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I loathe tactics games but I love Disgaea.
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| # ? Sep 13, 2011 04:05 |
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5er posted:I am 4 out of 4 on foreign senators not wanting a loving thing I brought in. That's hell on my confirmation bias. Take a stealing hand item and a high level I love that pat-down evil location thing, it lets you try and lift low level random crap off various senators when you get one of those beggars that demand an item for a Yea vote. I mean, poo poo, I don't carry around muscle items in my item bag, but senators sometimes do, you won't always get them but it's a lot better than the zero change you had. At first I thought Masked Heroes were kinda crappy but now that I've read what they're capable of, I wonder why I never thought of using one. I don't get a ton of milage from my bow/gun users since I run a mage squad of death, but I might have to check out all the options. Maybe I'll transmigrate that lv 70ish bouncer I recruited, right now my iron knight is pretty much relagated to decoy duty and ally tossing duties. e: Saw some kinda robot suited thingy named Unleaded. So that's where all the drat gasoline's been going these days 
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Wow. Just came across a moment that made me turn off the PS3 and completely turned me off from the game, at least for tonight. I'm in the item world, been there for a couple of hours. I'm trying to level people up, earn some money, etc. I enter a mystery room and find a vendor. I buy a couple of things, but before I leave I think I might want something else so I go back to talk to him again. Nope, now he's attack me. And he's stupidly stronger than me. And the game won't let me leave the room. Or use a Mr. Gency exit. The only option is death and losing all of that progress. gently caress that.
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| # ? Sep 13, 2011 07:17 |
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MelvinTheJerk posted:Mystery room dickery. You haven't truly had the full Disgaea experience until you rage at a mystery room for putting you into a unwinnable situation... It happened to me the first time in 4 when I ran into one of those rooms with the giant monsters and a bunch of foreign allies. I should have known better than to talk to them twice. 
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Overlord K posted:You haven't truly had the full Disgaea experience until you rage at a mystery room for putting you into a unwinnable situation... It happened to me the first time in 4 when I ran into one of those rooms with the giant monsters and a bunch of foreign allies. I should have known better than to talk to them twice. True Disgaea 4 starts here
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| # ? Sep 13, 2011 07:48 |
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All this talk of Fenrich and bigbang makes me worried there's no Winged Slayer in D4. I don't think I'm allowed to return the game, so if it's not in then wtf.
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| # ? Sep 13, 2011 07:54 |
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gently caress yes, after a grueling battle and stealing all his poo poo I beat Pringer X: Poison I think I did it, that's the final challenge of the game, huh the maps not gone wonder wh- ok here's 8 of them at once
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| # ? Sep 13, 2011 08:07 |
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Overlord K posted:You haven't truly had the full Disgaea experience until you rage at a mystery room for putting you into a unwinnable situation... It happened to me the first time in 4 when I ran into one of those rooms with the giant monsters and a bunch of foreign allies. I should have known better than to talk to them twice. I love that this can happen, but usually this is the point when I accept it's 2am and I should probably go to bed.
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| # ? Sep 13, 2011 08:22 |
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They introduced the whole overpowered enemies attacking you in mystery rooms bit in D3, and I have to agree it was a stupid and annoying decision. Wouldn't be so bad - and even kind of funny - if you could gency out, but it's not like you could expect to be completely screwed just from talking to someone. Sometimes it gives you pretty fair warning, but not always.
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| # ? Sep 13, 2011 11:37 |
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It would have been nice if you died it just sends you out with all 10 of the units dead and give you a -5 item level penalty.
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| # ? Sep 13, 2011 11:43 |
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After playing Disgaea a while you eventually learn that if a mystery room has a bunch of high-level dudes it's probably best to just turn and leave, regardless of how safe it seems.
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| # ? Sep 13, 2011 11:52 |
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Do I ever get more Aura Pyramids or Training... whatever it's called, the XP sharing one? Juggling everybody around when it's reincarnation time and the like is getting to be a bit of a hassle.
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Zereth posted:Do I ever get more Aura Pyramids or Training... whatever it's called, the XP sharing one? Juggling everybody around when it's reincarnation time and the like is getting to be a bit of a hassle. Inside character world you can expand the auras of them through one of the mystery rooms.
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TalonDemonKing posted:Inside character world you can expand the auras of them through one of the mystery rooms.
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