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If someone's ego is big enough, can they use it as a warren to draw power from?
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Jul 21, 2014 20:43
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amuayse posted:If someone's ego is big enough, can they use it as a warren to draw power from? Yeah, Kruppe proved that it's possible.
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Jul 21, 2014 21:04
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Explains more than one ascendant, too.
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Jul 22, 2014 16:46
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amuayse posted:If someone's ego is big enough, can they use it as a warren to draw power from? Actually, and unironically, this sounds like sort oc what happened in the past with some of those pure blooded Thelomen Toblakai.
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Jul 22, 2014 16:58
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Habibi posted:Actually, and unironically, this sounds like sort oc what happened in the past with some of those pure blooded Thelomen Toblakai. In the past? I call a certain Mr. Orlong to the Witness! bench.
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Jul 22, 2014 17:27
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Masonity posted:In the past? I call a certain Mr. Orlong to the Witness! bench. I guess I feel like that's not entirely confirmed.
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Jul 22, 2014 17:35
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There's also Bellurdan Skullcrusher, the TTT high mage who used a personal warren. This was definitely confirmed by Onos T'oolan when he described the mage battle between Bellurdan and Tattersail by listing the warrens including Thelomen Toblakai.
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Jul 22, 2014 17:41
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Habibi posted:I guess I feel like that's not entirely confirmed. What about a certain Icarium Lifestealer?
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Jul 22, 2014 18:00
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It's an interesting hypothesis that will alone can beget a warren, but seems to contradict Erickson's nihilist viewpoint that nothing really matters in the end anyways. "Yes, your will is so strong it can be its own warren. Too bad everything dies anyways.
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Jul 22, 2014 18:24
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Ynglaur posted:It's an interesting hypothesis that will alone can beget a warren, but seems to contradict Erickson's nihilist viewpoint that nothing really matters in the end anyways. "Yes, your will is so strong it can be its own warren. Too bad everything dies anyways. I'm curious to what makes you see Erikson's viewpoint as nihilist because that is not at all what I got from the series.
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Jul 22, 2014 19:00
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Ethiser posted:I'm curious to what makes you see Erikson's viewpoint as nihilist because that is not at all what I got from the series. Ditto on this. Erikson isn't afraid to put characters through awful poo poo, but he always puts an immense amount of narrative weight on the sacrifices characters make as being worth it.
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Jul 22, 2014 19:27
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Oh Snapple! posted:Ditto on this. Erikson isn't afraid to put characters through awful poo poo, but he always puts an immense amount of narrative weight on the sacrifices characters make as being worth it. Yeah, plus Toc the Younger gets a happy ending. Which says it all really.
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Jul 22, 2014 19:41
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rejutka posted:What about a certain Icarium Lifestealer? Doesn't really have anything to do with his ego. Xachariah posted:There's also Bellurdan Skullcrusher, the TTT high mage who used a personal warren. This was definitely confirmed by Onos T'oolan when he described the mage battle between Bellurdan and Tattersail by listing the warrens including Thelomen Toblakai.
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Jul 22, 2014 20:01
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Masonity posted:Yeah, plus Toc the Younger and Hetan gets a happy ending. Which says it all really.
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Jul 22, 2014 20:36
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On a different note, considering Erikson's habit of words and terms changing, I do wonder at the Forkrul Assail, given Assail is a continent and well, For K'rul, Assail. Anyone else ever have similar thoughts?
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Jul 22, 2014 20:45
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It's offhandedly mentioned in Forge of Darkness that Assail is the name for the priests of the Forulkan people, presumably named for their role in safeguarding order, which is constantly assailed by chaos in their philosophy. So it could just as well be a case of two different things named after the same word.
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Jul 22, 2014 21:50
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Mygna posted:It's offhandedly mentioned in Forge of Darkness that Assail is the name for the priests of the Forulkan people, presumably named for their role in safeguarding order, which is constantly assailed by chaos in their philosophy. And it's explicitly stated in TCG that the FA had a god but tore him apart, so at the very least, that's not the angle.
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Jul 22, 2014 22:47
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Habibi posted:And it's explicitly stated in TCG that the FA had a god but tore him apart To be fair, K'rul has been pretty much missing in action/greatly diminished for awhile, so this argument probably helps the theory (which I hadn't heard before and quite like).
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Jul 22, 2014 23:47
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Ethiser posted:I'm curious to what makes you see Erikson's viewpoint as nihilist because that is not at all what I got from the series. 
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Jul 22, 2014 23:47
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JagGator posted:To be fair, K'rul has been pretty much missing in action/greatly diminished for awhile, so this argument probably helps the theory (which I hadn't heard before and quite like). K'rul just faded from the world as belief in him waned. Kallor's curse was one hell of a thing.
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Jul 22, 2014 23:51
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Er, no, not suggesting K'rul is the god or anything, just that they may have been created for him for some reason by Kilmandaros.
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Jul 23, 2014 00:03
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rejutka posted:Er, no, not suggesting K'rul is the god or anything, just that they may have been created for him for some reason by Kilmandaros. Sorry, didn't mean to suggest that you were. Just eliminating one hypothetical angle for his involvement that could have led to a coincidence of names.
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Jul 23, 2014 00:05
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Don't we see a manifestation of their god in the Snake story with a swarm of moths?
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Jul 23, 2014 00:08
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Ethiser posted:Don't we see a manifestation of their god in the Snake story with a swarm of moths? We do but that might be Badalle shaping the last of the power of the god. Or not. Erikson  That said, there are very few coincidences in naming overall, so I tend to lean towards Erikson being a sneaky bastard with his names. Hell, I'm suspicious that Tiste trilogy stuff Azathanai are named like that and the last Azath house is powered by an eye. That just seems like a captain sneaky bastard verbal joke/pun and y'know how writers love those...
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Jul 23, 2014 00:15
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Safety Factor posted:K'rul just faded from the world as belief in him waned. Kallor's curse was one hell of a thing. To be fair, Kallor's curses didn't necessarily spell out the specifics. For example, "Draconus, what you create shall be turned on you." He didn't explicitly say "Anomander Rake is gonna Draginpur your rear end and carry you around on his back for a few hundred millenia." So from that perspective, "K'rul, you shall fade from the world, you shall be forgotten" could easily come about because "Your worshippers are going to tear you apart to get at your power and then stop following you, leaving you a shell of yourself." And as the guy said above, if "Assail" means "priest" than Forkrul Assail = Priests for K'rul is just the kind of wordsmithy poo poo Erikson loves. Also the FA are basically about the power of words/speech, so their name probably does mean something.
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Jul 23, 2014 00:51
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rejutka posted:On a different note, considering Erikson's habit of words and terms changing, I do wonder at the Forkrul Assail, given Assail is a continent and well, For K'rul, Assail. Anyone else ever have similar thoughts? And as for "personal warren" I always assumed it was just a warren which nobody else could identify or draw on, not that it was literally powered by their own butt.
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Jul 23, 2014 01:04
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JagGator posted:To be fair, Kallor's curses didn't necessarily spell out the specifics. For example, "Draconus, what you create shall be turned on you." It's pretty explicitly spelled out what happened to their god, and you meet K'rul in ICEs novels. This is all a tremendous reach.
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Jul 23, 2014 01:51
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Just a question though: Does Kallor know how to use magic on a minor scale other than his century candles? Like he can curse the hell out of the three elder gods, but he had to sacrifice millions of his people to do that. He seems to just fight with only his superhuman skill and strength.
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Jul 23, 2014 02:01
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amuayse posted:Just a question though: Does Kallor know how to use magic on a minor scale other than his century candles? Like he can curse the hell out of the three elder gods, but he had to sacrifice millions of his people to do that. He seems to just fight with only his superhuman skill and strength. Not as far as we know, as far as I know.
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Jul 23, 2014 02:37
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JagGator posted:To be fair, Kallor's curses didn't necessarily spell out the specifics. For example, "Draconus, what you create shall be turned on you."
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Jul 23, 2014 11:00
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anilEhilated posted:That could also refer to Spite and Envy, though. IIRC at least one of them actually helped Anomander there. I hadn't considered that angle, but I think both interpretations are valid.
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Jul 23, 2014 12:05
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Habibi posted:It's pretty explicitly spelled out what happened to their god, and you meet K'rul in ICEs novels. This is all a tremendous reach. You also meet K'rul in Eriksson's series as well, he chills out with Kruppe a lot e: Kallor is weird because yeah he doesn't seem to possess any magic and his powers all seem to stem from being a smart, ambitious, tenacious, and sadistic bastard who knows some alchemy and is fantastic with a sword.
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Jul 23, 2014 12:52
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anilEhilated posted:That could also refer to Spite and Envy, though. IIRC at least one of them actually helped Anomander there. Pretty sure that quote refers to Dragnipur and not Anomander or Draconus' daughters. Draconus even says right after the curse, 'Uhhh, yeah, so I've been working on this sword...'
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Jul 23, 2014 15:37
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Levitate posted:You also meet K'rul in Eriksson's series as well, he chills out with Kruppe a lot He even takes human form and pretty much becomes rath'k'rul (capustan high priest of k'rul) although he's not named as such. How many gods are their own high priest? not enough.
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Jul 24, 2014 12:53
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Hnnnnnnnnnnnngh I'm re-reading the series for the first time and I'm almost done Memories of Ice. It's amazing how much more you see when you've already read the series once - there's a particularly clever bit when a Tiste Edur washes up on the shoreline dead of massive overpressurization, and Paran and Quick Ben talk about how it must have been a High Ruse mage. Meanwhile, a bunch of books later in Bugg/Tehol land (I don't remember specifically which book), Bugg/Mael gets super mad at one Tiste Edur and warrens him into the deepest bit of the sea. It's a really neat example of just how well Erikson had all this stuff planned out, or at least how he makes winging it seem planned out  .Also I am a sucker for 'epic moments' and the end of this book is so chock full of them that it's physically painful to stop reading.
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Jul 24, 2014 13:53
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ChickenWing posted:Hnnnnnnnnnnnngh I'm re-reading the series for the first time and I'm almost done Memories of Ice. It's amazing how much more you see when you've already read the series once - there's a particularly clever bit when a Tiste Edur washes up on the shoreline dead of massive overpressurization, and Paran and Quick Ben talk about how it must have been a High Ruse mage. Meanwhile, a bunch of books later in Bugg/Tehol land (I don't remember specifically which book), Bugg/Mael gets super mad at one Tiste Edur and warrens him into the deepest bit of the sea. It's a really neat example of just how well Erikson had all this stuff planned out, or at least how he makes winging it seem planned out My favorite bit of foreshadowing in the series is the whole plotline related to the ship Silanda. It's spread over three or four books and it's just amazing when you put the whole story together.
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Jul 24, 2014 17:31
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anilEhilated posted:My favorite bit of foreshadowing in the series is the whole plotline related to the ship Silanda. It's spread over three or four books and it's just amazing when you put the whole story together. I'm towards the end of Toll the Hounds, so I think the Silanda storyline is complete. Is it?
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Jul 25, 2014 15:10
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What have the Moranth doing since MoI?
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Jul 27, 2014 06:50
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amuayse posted:What have the Moranth doing since MoI? I don't think we really know much about the Moranth aside from: they use giant cicadas as mounts, they make explosives used by the Malazans, and that their society is divided into 9(?) castes(?) by colors, as well as the color caste that provides the explosives. I don't think it's mentioned if they are an actual extension of the Malazan army or if they are just weapons merchants and taxi drivers for important people.
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Jul 27, 2014 07:10
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It gets covered in the Esslemont books. Most directly in Orb Sceptre Throne (which is imo his best). The blue naval maranth have a bit in Stonewielder as well.
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