|
I just get all my books in standard paperback size, especially when going through a big series like the Malazan books. That way I know I'll always be able to get the next book without having to look all over the place or wait for a special order. I'm way too impatient for that.
|
#
?
Jan 9, 2016 16:06
|
|
|
|
| # ? Apr 16, 2024 19:32 |
|
|
blue squares posted:I'm looking online and I can't find a trade paperback version of Memories of Ice. Is it generally hard to get non-mass market paperback versions of the books? I hate MMP. Caught in my saved search just now if you're still interested: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Book-Steven-Erikson-Memories-of-Ice-oversized-paperback-/272105509747?hash=item3f5ac09373:g:bk8AAOSw-zxWmFIh
|
|
#
?
Jan 15, 2016 08:19
|
|
|
I just started Memories of Ice after probably a year since finishing Deadhouse Gates. I completely forgot how Erikson loves to name characters with the letter 'K'. A quick question This is the first introduction of Kallor and the other three Elder Gods we meet in the prologue, correct? A simple Yes/No will suffice.
|
|
#
?
Jan 19, 2016 14:03
|
|
|
No, at least two of them they played minor roles in GotM.
|
|
#
?
Jan 19, 2016 17:30
|
|
|
anilEhilated posted:No, at least two of them they played minor roles in GotM. Thanks, through some careful wiki exploration I think I've refreshed my memory.
|
|
#
?
Jan 19, 2016 18:10
|
|
|
Thanks to this thread I started reading this series about a month or so ago. I'm currently in the first 1/4th of Memories of Ice and I absolutely love it. I was pretty hooked on GotM around when Pale showed up and you get the fantastic imagery of Moons Spawn hovering over the city, then tilting damaged and floating away. The scale and depth is pretty intense. I had to figure out what was happening again when Darujistan was introduced but the pieces finally came together and it was great. I'm sensing that's going to happen a lot in these books. Favorite part was probably the Raest vs the dragons mostly happening offscreen as thunder in the background and letting my mind do all the work. I wasn't having as much fun with DG, though I still enjoyed it. The Chain of Dogs portion was very well written and sad but I felt like the rest was just constant setup for future books. MoI is so far my favorite as it has all my favorite characters (except fiddler) and the antagonist is given more definition. I feel like I understand more of the world that's been shown but more just keeps getting thrown at me I almost can't keep up. There are undead raptors with sword arms, all the big bads of the first book are together to fight some sort of evil cult empire that sounds like chaos from warhammer 40k, my boy Toc is not only alive but hinted at being important (or corruptible!?!), Kallor is up to some nastyness, T'lan Imass are hinting at weird poo poo, some Deck of Dragons stuff I don't understand happened, and I haven't even SEEN the realm of shadow yet. I'm totally hyped for the rest of the series.
|
|
#
?
Jan 20, 2016 03:21
|
|
|
Over a year after I finished The Crippled God, I finally got around to reading Forge of Darkness. I liked it, but not as much as the Malazan series proper. Good: poo poo went from 0-60 really quickly. It took me a couple weeks to get through the first half, and three days to read the second half. My favorite section came about 3/4 of the way through when a bunch of the characters make it to Jaghut territory. I also dug the forest adventure of Sukul Ankhadu, Rancept, and Ribs. I'd like to see a whole chapter following Ribs around in the next book. Not As Good: I am an Erickson vet, but there were too many characters. Toward the end, it felt like different pairs were having the same or substantially similar conversations. No one really stood out. The few characters who did leave an impression (Haut/Korya especially) got short shrift. General Thoughts: So the world as it exists in the Malazan times, with the "world as we know it" plus the warrens/holds were originally all the same world. We're gonna see something happen that results in everything getting broken up into their own dimensions. Perhaps the chaining of the Crippled God? This also would explain how people walk from Kurald Emurlahn into Omtose Phellack into Imass territory. But then what about Starvald Demelain and the demon realms? If Kilmandaros is the Forulkan Azathanai, who is the Forkrul Assail god that became the Glass Desert? The references to the High King being around but across the ocean make Kallor's claim to have ruled an empire when the T'lan Imass were but children make a little more sense. But then the idea that humans evolved from the Imass gets all hosed up. Was the initial thing headless thing that washed up from the Vitr a K'Chain Che'malle? Speculation: The Jheck child hostages are the Hounds of Shadow. Sharenas Ankhadu is Menandore. Arathan's mother is the Queen of Dreams. I hope Icarium shows up and fits into this somewhere. Tokelau All Star fucked around with this message at 10:24 on Jan 22, 2016 |
|
#
?
Jan 22, 2016 09:59
|
|
|
Does there have to be only one Azathanai per race? It was pretty clear that Kilmandaros was a forkrul assail in the main series, her multi-jointed limbs are mentioned several times. Plus not all gods are Azathanai, he might've been a Kellanved figure. I also don't remeber it ever being explicitly stated that humans evolved from the Imass? I thought they were more of the Neanderthal type - another branch leading to a dead end.
|
|
#
?
Jan 22, 2016 11:54
|
|
|
Tokelau All Star posted:Imass human relation: I think we are told that humans are the children of the Imass in the sense that they inherit the earth when the Imass basically sacrifice their race to end the domination of Tyrants.
|
|
#
?
Jan 22, 2016 14:59
|
|
|
zokie posted:I think we are told that humans are the children of the Imass in the sense that they inherit the earth when the Imass basically sacrifice their race to end the domination of Tyrants. Yeah that was my understanding of it as well, could be mistaken however.
|
|
#
?
Jan 22, 2016 17:21
|
|
|
[HoC] I figured it was implied that humans were descended from those primitives that ran with the Deragoth, as L'oric saw in the memory of Raraku.
|
|
#
?
Jan 22, 2016 23:26
|
|
|
Fenrir posted:[HoC] I figured it was implied that humans were descended from those primitives that ran with the Deragoth, as L'oric saw in the memory of Raraku. Thats may also be true. Erickson's characters contradict each other and believe different things.
|
|
#
?
Jan 23, 2016 04:19
|
|
|
I thought humans were descended from the Eres'al?
|
|
#
?
Jan 23, 2016 04:22
|
|
|
Ynglaur posted:Thats may also be true. Erickson's characters contradict each other and believe different things. True. I mean, that's one of the most interesting parts of the story to me - all the narrators are basically unreliable and you're left to make your own judgements. Then again, I can imagine that turns some people away from the series as well. Just depends on what you're looking for.
|
|
#
?
Jan 23, 2016 04:54
|
|
|
I'm rereading Dust of Dreams on my first full reread of the series, and just got to chapter 2 where Udinaas meets Silchas Ruin, who has been off travelling, and mentions off-the-cuff something about how "She will be Queen." Udinaas doesn't know who he is talking about and Ruin seems to snap out of whatever he was thinking about. Does anyone have any idea who he might be talking about? My only two guesses are Sandalath and Seren Pedac. Sandalath is a Tiste Andii like Silchas Ruin and immediately is dealt Queen of Dark in the following chapter, so maybe Silchas is sensitive to the reading and is just muttering about the newest development in the House of Dark, doing some long-shot foreshadowing. But Silchas has no idea who Sandalath is, he's never met her and would have no real reason to care about her becoming the new Queen of Dark. What made me think he's instead talking about Seren is that he makes the comment shortly after reminiscing with Udinaas about old times. Ruin would know Seren Pedac from traveling with Udinaas and his presence could have reminded him of her, getting him to make the comment. From Chapter 1 we learn that Trull's kid is the new Knight of Shadow and Bugg brings up the fact that the House of Shadow has no Queen. There's probably enough here to think Trull's son plays a part in the Toblakai trilogy, so maybe Seren Pedac will come back into play soon too. Also in Chapter 2, Silchas Ruin brings up a Soletaken Jaghut as an example of someone with Elient blood that didn't succumb to the lust for power innate within the blood. Any theories on who that might be? I'm thinking Icarium. Silchas Ruin wouldn't necessarily even know who Icarium is, since he spent most of the last hundred centuries locked in an Azath. It would also explain how Icarium gained the power to shatter an Azath or whatever he did to get Gothos out. I don't think it's Gothos as he seems too chilled out to have any dragon blood in him.
|
|
#
?
Jan 23, 2016 10:56
|
|
|
The Ninth Layer posted:Also in Chapter 2, Silchas Ruin brings up a Soletaken Jaghut as an example of someone with Elient blood that didn't succumb to the lust for power innate within the blood. Any theories on who that might be? I'm thinking Icarium. Silchas Ruin wouldn't necessarily even know who Icarium is, since he spent most of the last hundred centuries locked in an Azath. It would also explain how Icarium gained the power to shatter an Azath or whatever he did to get Gothos out. I don't think it's Gothos as he seems too chilled out to have any dragon blood in him. DG spoilers: I actually think Gothos is the most likely candidate. When Fiddler and Apsalar are inside Tremorlor, they see three ochre colored dragons fly overhead. Later, when they reach the Deadhouse, Gothos is sitting there wearing ochre robes.
|
|
#
?
Jan 23, 2016 23:37
|
|
|
Of course, just about everything is ochre in DG. But I do agree on the most likely suspect; if anyone could resist the dragon blood, it's him.
|
|
#
?
Jan 23, 2016 23:49
|
|
|
zokie posted:I think we are told that humans are the children of the Imass in the sense that they inherit the earth when the Imass basically sacrifice their race to end the domination of Tyrants. More literally than that. Onrack cocked his head. ‘He speaks Imass.’ 'Not Malazan?’ Hedge asked with mock incredulity. ‘What’s wrong with the damned fool?’ The man’s smile broadened, those amber nugget eyes fixing on Hedge, and in Malazan he said, ‘All the children of the Imass tongue are as poetry to this damned fool.
|
|
#
?
Jan 24, 2016 05:25
|
|
|
He's talking about language resemblance, though. That doesn't necessarily mean evolution.
|
|
#
?
Jan 24, 2016 08:29
|
|
|
anilEhilated posted:He's talking about language resemblance, though. That doesn't necessarily mean evolution. There is still more. Imass knew many truths that were lost to those who were, in every sense, their children. This, alas, did not make Imass superior, for most of those truths were unpleasant ones, and these children could not defend themselves against them, and so would be fatally weakened by their recognition.
|
|
#
?
Jan 24, 2016 16:28
|
|
|
I thought it went Eres to Imass to Humans with some branches that dead-ended/were subsumed and then odd bits like T'lan Imass.
|
|
#
?
Jan 28, 2016 02:21
|
|
|
Not all Imass joined the ritual. Those that did not gave rise to humans.
|
|
#
?
Feb 1, 2016 07:04
|
|
|
Baudin posted:Not all Imass joined the ritual. Those that did not gave rise to humans. I thought they gave rise to the Barghast?
|
|
#
?
Feb 1, 2016 19:49
|
|
|
How do you know its not both?
|
|
#
?
Feb 1, 2016 19:56
|
|
|
It's very likely that one of the Azathanai is going to have created humans, I'd say. Or else they might be descendants of the Tiste who didn't become Liosan or Edur or Andii and another race, like the Imass.
|
|
#
?
Feb 1, 2016 21:49
|
|
|
Jedit posted:I thought they gave rise to the Barghast? It's not like evolution is a straight line.
|
|
#
?
Feb 2, 2016 01:55
|
|
|
What I glean/speculate from Forge of Darkness: Kallor's empire is out there at the same time as all the Tiste poo poo going on. We knew Kallor was old as poo poo but he's even older than we thought (and "humans" as a whole by extension). Dog Runner is the Tiste word for Imass. The Eresal have come and gone by this point, at some time both humans and Imass split off from them. Some poo poo is gonna go down (my guess is either the first chaining or Icarium going nuts) that kicks the Tiste, Forkrul Assail, Jaghut, and Imass over to the Malazan part of the world. The Dog Runners might already be there. At this point Dessimbelackis' empire isn't around yet, but he crowds out the Imass on Seven Cities, which will be after Kurald Galain splits and people gain Soletaken/Divers ability.
|
|
#
?
Feb 2, 2016 02:23
|
|
|
Jedit posted:I thought they gave rise to the Barghast? Probably both and the Moranth, though they might be offshoots of the Barghast.
|
|
#
?
Feb 2, 2016 03:57
|
|
|
Eleven Erikson books in, plus six side-stories, and still none of us have any clue what's going on.
|
|
#
?
Feb 2, 2016 04:00
|
|
|
The Ninth Layer posted:Eleven Erikson books in, plus six side-stories, and still none of us have any clue what's going on. I'd kill the mule.
|
|
#
?
Feb 2, 2016 04:09
|
|
|
rejutka posted:I'd kill the mule. e: Alternately, it's the real High Priest of Shadow and using Pust as a puppet; can't imagine a better distraction than him.
|
|
#
?
Feb 2, 2016 14:18
|
|
|
rejutka posted:I'd kill the mule. My money's on the mule winning that contest.
|
|
#
?
Feb 2, 2016 15:09
|
|
|
Ynglaur posted:My money's on the mule winning that contest. Always bet on the mule. I also thought it was the real high priest of Shadow. That not being clarified in the mule's favor is tragic.
|
|
#
?
Feb 3, 2016 01:18
|
|
|
Also, I got to the part of my reread (in preparation for Fall of Light) that I was dreading - Dust of Dreams. Aside from the horrible bits that I remembered were coming, there are several viewpoints that I really don't care about at all - the Snake, the K'Chain Che'Malle, the Shake, and the Perish - give me more Bonehunters, Bugg, and Silchas Ruin!
|
|
#
?
Feb 4, 2016 00:47
|
|
|
Bugg owns. I'm about 3/4 of the way through Midnight Tides in my re-read and so far this is the book that's the most eye-opening when you read it for the second time - because I know who Bugg really is.
|
|
#
?
Feb 4, 2016 11:47
|
|
|
Draconus' seems pretty chill so far after his return in Dust of Dreams. However after his introduction and how some really powerful people are scared shitless of him makes me think sooner or later he's going to start loving poo poo up. Also The Snake chapters are boring as all hell.
|
|
#
?
Feb 8, 2016 23:06
|
|
|
A: He's changed after, you know. B: It pays off. A lot. Just not while it's happening, sadly.
|
|
#
?
Feb 8, 2016 23:13
|
|
|
Mustang posted:Draconus' seems pretty chill so far after his return in Dust of Dreams. However after his introduction and how some really powerful people are scared shitless of him makes me think sooner or later he's going to start loving poo poo up. The Snake seemed like a version of torture porn until much later. Erickson somehow turns it around, and I think I would enjoy reading it again knowing what's coming.
|
|
#
?
Feb 8, 2016 23:47
|
|
|
I sat down and read the last 200 pages of Deadhouse Gates today. Holy gently caress, I'm almost physically exhausted from that. It was so... Relentless. Two books in, and this is the best fantasy series I've ever read.
|
|
#
?
Feb 12, 2016 09:48
|
|
|
|
| # ? Apr 16, 2024 19:32 |
|
|
The ending of DG is pretty intense but hey, there's plenty to look forward to. Erikson really likes explosive finales.
|
|
#
?
Feb 12, 2016 10:18
|
|