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MindlessHavok posted:Can someone explain to me why McCann is on the All-Star Ballot but Gattis isn't? I thought you had to have a certain amount of at-bats to be eligible.
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Terrorism
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MindSet posted:This is more of a general SAS question... but what does N/V mean? I'm relatively new to sports foruming. I don't know of a "best resource" but you can just google "baseball for beginners" and there are a lot of websites with decent write-ups. There are also Youtube channels devoted to it which might be a really good idea. The basics to refresh before you step out on the field are: 1. How outs work (force plays vs. tag plays) 2. Baserunning basics (working from step 1, learn about tagging up) Practice makes perfect so finding a batting cage where you can hit on your own will help. It takes a while to develop a decent swing but you can just get a cheap used bat and practice dry swinging in your room (there are plenty of videos on Youtube that should help you improve your swing). You can work on catching and throwing by just finding a friend who might like to throw the ball around a little. You can also buy a tennis ball and find a solid wall you can bounce it off to yourself. If you join a team, try to find someone who seems like they like telling people what to do and sit with them in the dugout and ask them questions to help you get started so you can learn on your own.
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Given Trout contract chat over in the N/V thread, I've been wondering about maximum lengths for contracts. If the Angels wanted to sign him to a 15 year deal or something ridiculous, could they? Since drafted players have 6 years of control after they come up to the majors (unless I'm wrong about that), he'll be a FA after 2017, at which point both Wilson and Hamilton will be gone and he will (presumably) get paid through the roof for who knows how many years.
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Mr. Cool Ice posted:Because MLB picks 1 guy from each position from each team to be on the ballot, and they do it approximately 2 weeks into the season McCann didn't even start the season on the active list and wasn't thought to be coming back until recently (which he did). Obviously they couldn't have accounted for what Gattis has done and no one was sure who the actual starter at Catcher would be. The thought was Laird and Gattis would split time like Chris Johnson and Juan Fransisco have done at third. That said, they've got Johnson at third for voting from the Braves. I guess I 'get' it, I just think it's dumb. I did a write-in ballot for Gattis.
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Despite what that article says, I still think IBBs are extremely stupid.
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MindlessHavok posted:McCann didn't even start the season on the active list and wasn't thought to be coming back until recently (which he did). Obviously they couldn't have accounted for what Gattis has done and no one was sure who the actual starter at Catcher would be. The thought was Laird and Gattis would split time like Chris Johnson and Juan Fransisco have done at third. That said, they've got Johnson at third for voting from the Braves. Gordon Beckham is available for voting. He has 21 PA on the season. It's silly and built entirely on who the MLB thought would be the season opener starters rather that merit after a couple months.
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MindlessHavok posted:McCann didn't even start the season on the active list and wasn't thought to be coming back until recently (which he did). Obviously they couldn't have accounted for what Gattis has done and no one was sure who the actual starter at Catcher would be. The thought was Laird and Gattis would split time like Chris Johnson and Juan Fransisco have done at third. That said, they've got Johnson at third for voting from the Braves. Posey and Molina will overwhelmingly be 1st and 2nd so whatever
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Idiot Wind posted:Given Trout contract chat over in the N/V thread, I've been wondering about maximum lengths for contracts. If the Angels wanted to sign him to a 15 year deal or something ridiculous, could they? Since drafted players have 6 years of control after they come up to the majors (unless I'm wrong about that), he'll be a FA after 2017, at which point both Wilson and Hamilton will be gone and he will (presumably) get paid through the roof for who knows how many years. Yep, they could try, but it's always the player's option to sign a contract that covers post-arbitration years. Usually superstar free agents test the market when they can, unless they are awesome like Felix Hernandez. Sometimes a team will offer a player under team control a contract that gives the player a pay bump during their control years in exchange for a couple cheap years after arbitration, like the 7 year extension Ryan Braun signed after his ROY season.
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Felix Hernandez selflessly signing the biggest contract ever for a pitcher.
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Gattis was a nice human interest story in the first month but he's been reduced to his natural role as a PH with Heyward back, so his omission from the ASG ballot is entirely proper.
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Groucho Marxist posted:Felix Hernandez selflessly signing the biggest contract ever for a pitcher. He also could have signed (feasibly a bigger) contract with a team that had an actual chance at a championship, which was the biggest deal at the time.
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Trillest Parrot posted:...until Verlander signed a bigger one less than a month later. His contract is also back loaded for what won't be a lot of money for a top 5 pitcher in 5-6 years, and the contract includes a team option for $1m in 2020 if he hurts his elbow, which they absolutely didn't need to include if he was trying to shop around. Please give me your crystal ball
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Trillest Parrot posted:He also could have done that with a team that had an actual chance at a championship, which was the biggest deal at the time. No, he couldn't have, he was under contract through 2014.
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leokitty posted:Please give me your crystal ball It's a conjecture, sure, but if he's pitching as well as he is now, he'll be looking for a raise in 2020. TV broadcasting deals are insane right now, which means teams will have more money, and it's going to inflate the cost of the highest level contracts (MLB/ESPN deal, Dodgers/Angels/Astros/Rangers network deals). We're already seeing it, the Dodgers are spending $213m this year, which is an over 120% increase. At any rate, it's definitely not going to get cheaper to sign stars.
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jeffersonlives posted:No, he couldn't have, he was under contract through 2014. The point is that the BIGGEST CONTRACTS are going to be BIGGER in 5 years than right now (and probably in 2 years as well, when Felix's contract would have come up, specifically).
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Thinking that sources of income/wealth that are escalating at obviously insane rates will continue to escalate at those rates forever is literally how our economy got into the trouble it's been in the past five years. There's already talk following the Dodgers deal about legislatures pursuing legal remedies to force telcoms to allow customers to opt-out of sports packages they don't use instead of having to subsidize the largess of professional sports; it's dumb to be making broad statements about what contracts might be in a few years as a justification for claiming $175 million is a "good deal" now for a guy who's already 27. This is ignoring altogether that who really cares how impressive or unimpressive the Hernandez contract is if the team's completely unable to do anything with it
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The problem with the Hernandez deal for the Mariners in a vacuum was that the Mariners completely failed to leverage the fact that they had two years of control into a discount. Using Verlander as a comparison point makes the Hernandez contract look quite awful; they're paying Hernandez essentially identical new money to Verlander signing a deal at the same control point despite the fact that Verlander is both a better pitcher (and not by a little) and more durable. And nobody called that Verlander deal a "hometown discount" or a discount of any kind for Detroit. The Mariners did get the catastrophic elbow injury clause, but they also don't have the team friendly vesting option that the Tigers got. Salary inflation at the top end is also a lot less than you appear to think. The real explosion was in the early-aughts and has largely evened out since then. For whatever reason, teams have largely chosen to invest the payroll increases in mid-level pieces and "cost certainty" deals.
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Trillest Parrot posted:Yep, they could try, but it's always the player's option to sign a contract that covers post-arbitration years. Usually superstar free agents test the market when they can, unless they are awesome like Felix Hernandez. Sometimes a team will offer a player under team control a contract that gives the player a pay bump during their control years in exchange for a couple cheap years after arbitration, like the 7 year extension Ryan Braun signed after his ROY season. Yeah I have no illusions about "hometown discounts" or anything, but I also know Arte will shell out for a guy like Trout and there'll be plenty of money off the books to do it when the time comes. But I get to watch one of the coolest guys in baseball for at least four more seasons anyway 
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Speaking of hometown discounts, I just remembered a case of a guy actually giving one. Bronson Arroyo signed for 3 years, 11.25 million after his 2005 season. He had put up a 120 ERA+ in 2004 and a 101 ERA+ in 2005, and was going into his age 29 season. It was his first free agent contract, and the general consensus was that he could have gotten more, but he wanted to sign with Boston. Of course, they then traded him to Cincinnati for Wiley Mo Pena before the season started.
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Felix's "hometown discount" was staying in Seattle in the first place, is what I was trying to say. Felix is the Mariners' only marketable player. Last year the Mariners averaged a 20% attendance bump when he started. They kind of had to shell out for him. Giving a guy a raise (AND giving him absurd free agent money) by signing him to a new contract instead of an extension reeks of desperation. Without Felix's willingness to stay in Seattle, he would have been trade bait until the end of his contract. Kershaw is up for his first FA contract in 2015. If he keeps it up, I wouldn't be surprised if he beats Verlander's contract.
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Trillest Parrot posted:Felix's "hometown discount" was staying in Seattle in the first place, is what I was trying to say. It's not a discount at all though. He took a deal which made him the most expensive pitcher at the time. Regardless what team it is, he'd be dumb to turn that down. He left absolutely no money on the table, made no noble sacrifice. He just Got Paid.
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Kershaw absolutely will top Verlander's deal. He will be significantly younger at the time he signs an extension and has the best track record of any young pitcher in baseball.
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ManifunkDestiny posted:made no noble sacrifice You're obviously not a Mariners fan.
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Trillest Parrot posted:You're obviously not a Mariners fan. <----------------------- uh?
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The teams pick the ballot representatives not MLB fyi
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| # ? May 22, 2013 20:09 |
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If the Mariners were being responsibly run they'd have at least explored trading Hernandez instead of signing him to a questionable extension, but they've got a desperate GM that won't be around to see the bad end of that deal if it goes south and decided their contention cycle had to be this year.
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Trillest Parrot posted:You're obviously not a Mariners fan. This is the fuckin best right here
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| # ? May 22, 2013 20:30 |
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Is there a SAS/MLB IRC channel by any chance?
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| # ? May 22, 2013 20:32 |
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MindSet posted:Is there a SAS/MLB IRC channel by any chance? Not that I can think of. There's a general #sports one though.
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MindSet posted:Is there a SAS/MLB IRC channel by any chance? Twitter.
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MindSet posted:Is there a SAS/MLB IRC channel by any chance? SAS Unofficial IRC Channel Server: irc.synirc.net Channel: #sports It's in the SAS rules thread. Not for MLB specifically, but SAS at large sure. Also, Twitter.
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| # ? May 22, 2013 20:36 |
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there's also an aol chatroom too. You used to be able to get it from the geocities SAS page; anybody still have a link to that
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The broken bones posted:there's also an aol chatroom too. You used to be able to get it from the geocities SAS page; anybody still have a link to that No I lost that stuff when my BBS got taken down. 
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Work blocks avatar pictures, I took a gamble I still maintain that the Mariners organization is run by cenobytes and exists only to further suffering. You're right though, it's a gamble to wait two years and see what happens. Pitchers are generally fragile and inconsistent. Also, I wonder if having Kershaw available at the same time would dilute the market. Trillest Parrot fucked around with this message at May 22, 2013 around 20:55 |
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jeffersonlives posted:If the Mariners were being responsibly run they'd have at least explored trading Hernandez instead of signing him to a questionable extension, but they've got a desperate GM that won't be around to see the bad end of that deal if it goes south and decided their contention cycle had to be this year. And he was right! They're in a perfectly respectable third place in the division! e: out of five, even!
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