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Is there any rule that specifically prohibits trading a player that is on the DL? I ask because the Braves radio guys called David Wright "literally untradeable at the moment". The only counter example I can think of is Jake Peavy being traded during an injury plagued year but I don't necessarily know he was on the DL when traded.
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| # ? Jun 2, 2011 00:31 |
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Mammon Loves You posted:Is there any rule that specifically prohibits trading a player that is on the DL? I ask because the Braves radio guys called David Wright "literally untradeable at the moment". Nope. As long as the receiving team knows the player is on the DL, and the commissioner signs off on it, it's fine.
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I was watching the Red Sox game yesterday and saw one of the players get doubled up because he ran from first to second on a caught fly ball and didn't retag second base. It made me realize that I didn't know all the ins and outs of baserunning and when it's a force out and when a tag has to be applied. Like if its always a force out for a baserunner when a fly ball is caught and the baserunner has yet to tag up, and how an unassisted triple play can happen.
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| # ? Jun 2, 2011 02:41 |
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Batui posted:I was watching the Red Sox game yesterday and saw one of the players get doubled up because he ran from first to second on a caught fly ball and didn't retag second base. It made me realize that I didn't know all the ins and outs of baserunning and when it's a force out and when a tag has to be applied. Like if its always a force out for a baserunner when a fly ball is caught and the baserunner has yet to tag up, and how an unassisted triple play can happen. It's a force if a caught ball reaches a player's base before he tags up. Pretty simple. An unassisted triple play is rare, but not because it's hard to do. It just requires lots of luck. Almost every UTP has taken the following form: Runners on 1st and 2nd, we'll call them Runner 1 and Runner 2 No outs (duh) Hit and run is on Batter lines out to an infielder (1 out) Infielder steps on second to force out Runner 2 (2 out) Infielder tags Runner 1 (3 out)
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| # ? Jun 2, 2011 03:00 |
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Batui posted:I was watching the Red Sox game yesterday and saw one of the players get doubled up because he ran from first to second on a caught fly ball and didn't retag second base. It made me realize that I didn't know all the ins and outs of baserunning and when it's a force out and when a tag has to be applied. Like if its always a force out for a baserunner when a fly ball is caught and the baserunner has yet to tag up, and how an unassisted triple play can happen. On a fly ball, the runner must touch the base after the catch is made before they can advance; if they don't, that runner can be either tagged, or be forced at the base they were at, to put them out. If they do, they can only be tagged; they're allowed to stay at the base they were at. Example: Runner A is at second. Fly ball to left, they take a few steps off the bag. Ball is caught. Runner A must touch second before going to third, or they can stay at second. Example: Runner A is at second. Fly ball to left, they stay on second. The ball is caught, and they can instantly advance to third (if they want to try); they can only be tagged out. Or, they can stay at second. Forcing only happens on hits, when the batter has the right to the base. Runner on 1st, batter hits ball, runner must advance to second. Runners on 1st and 2nd, batter hits ball, runner must advance to 2nd, forcing the runner to advance to 3rd. Runner on 2nd, batter hits ball, runner can stay; nothing is forcing them to move. An unassisted triple play usually happens with two runners in a row (1st/2nd, 2nd/3rd), and a line drive to a fielder, with the runners going. Fielder catches ball (out 1), touches the base that the lead runner was coming off of (out 2), then tags the trailing runner trying to advance (out 3).
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zakharov posted:An unassisted triple play is rare, but not because it's hard to do. That's for sure. As a kid I always figured it was some spectacular, jaw-dropping play. They are completly underwhelming to see (but still cool). http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vjGA1KC1H2Q
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Antifreeze Head posted:That's for sure. As a kid I always figured it was some spectacular, jaw-dropping play. They are completly underwhelming to see (but still cool). That play you linked is jaw-dropping if you're Jeff Francoeur (cf: I CHALLENGE THEE's avatar). Related (and somewhat of a trivia question): is it possible to have an triple play where no fielder touches the ball?
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SporkOfTruth posted:Related (and somewhat of a trivia question): is it possible to have an triple play where no fielder touches the ball? As in the bases are loaded and the ball somehow pinballs between all three baserunners?
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SporkOfTruth posted:Related (and somewhat of a trivia question): is it possible to have an triple play where no fielder touches the ball?
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SporkOfTruth posted:Related (and somewhat of a trivia question): is it possible to have an triple play where no fielder touches the ball? I guess if the bases are loaded and the batter somehow manages to hit the ball with such resounding force that it strikes each base runner in an astonishing series of rebounds, yeah.
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SporkOfTruth posted:That play you linked is jaw-dropping if you're Jeff Francoeur (cf: I CHALLENGE THEE's avatar). I read about some way to do it with an infield fly once. Also, if the bases were loaded and the runners all just abandoned the game.
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Dusseldorf posted:As in the bases are loaded and the ball somehow pinballs between all three baserunners? Cabbit posted:I guess if the bases are loaded and the batter somehow manages to hit the ball with such resounding force that it strikes each base runner in an astonishing series of rebounds, yeah. These are possible, and actually factor into the right answer, but... Antifreeze Head posted:I read about some way to do it with an infield fly once. ...this is the way I was thinking of. The easiest way for this to happen would be men on 1st and 2nd. Batter pops the ball up in the infield (out #1, via infield fly rule). The man on first advances and accidentally passes the guy at second (out #2), who was taking a bit of a lead. The ball then drops and somehow hits the guy at second -- who was off the base -- on the leg (out #3). Three outs, no fielders. Wikipedia says that George Will talked about it in a 2009 column, but I first heard of it in the mid 90's at a sports summer camp during a rainout of our baseball period.
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Just so we're clear Spork, this is at least a 9.5 on the Stark-Kurkjian Baseball Truly Useless Trivia Nerdlery scale.
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Badfinger posted:Just so we're clear Spork, this is at least a 9.5 on the Stark-Kurkjian Baseball Truly Useless Trivia Nerdlery scale. Even higher than the "Can a team go through an entire half inning batting without recording an Answer: Yes e: 
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Nachtsturm posted:Even higher than the "Can a team go through an entire half inning batting without recording a PA"?
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| # ? Jun 2, 2011 07:23 |
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e: read it wrong
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| # ? Jun 2, 2011 07:48 |
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JediGandalf posted:Can this really happen even like in theory like the Unfielded TP? Sorry, I meant At Bats.  Also, you can't have an unfielded TP that hits multiple runners. After the ball hits the first runner, the ball's dead.
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| # ? Jun 2, 2011 07:59 |
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theoretically a team could go an entire game without recording an at bat? Like they got picked off on the base paths after getting walked everytime.
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Well, an AB is kind of an arbitrarily defined concept as opposed to a PA, so yeah I guess. In addition to pickoffs, you could also have everyone caught stealing as well.
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| # ? Jun 2, 2011 16:11 |
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You could also have a team win without registering a hit. Or an AB if you really want to get loopy.
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Nachtsturm posted:Sorry, I meant At Bats. Wacky no AB recorded scenario: Walk Sac Bunt (1 out) Sac Fly (2 out) E4 (presumably a run, no RBI) Walk Walk 2B runner picked off (3 out)
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| # ? Jun 2, 2011 16:17 |
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Couldn't you also have a guy walk, and the next 3 batters ground into a fielder's choice? That's also a lot more plausible than 3 pickoffs or CS
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Groucho Marxist posted:Couldn't you also have a guy walk, and the next 3 batters ground into a fielder's choice? That's also a lot more plausible than 3 pickoffs or CS A fielder's choice is an AB, I think.
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Doesn't a fielder's choice count as an AB?
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Orgophlax posted:You could also have a team win without registering a hit. Or an AB if you really want to get loopy. http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/colum..._tim&id=3465888 No hit wins have apparently happened 5 times since 1900. And you can apparently allow no hits but not throw a no-hitter.
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| # ? Jun 2, 2011 16:22 |
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Yeah I just looked it up, it does count as an AB.
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| # ? Jun 2, 2011 16:30 |
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If it didn't, Raul Ibanez would not nearly be penalized enough for his weak ground outs to second
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JediGandalf posted:Ah that's a lot more plausible.
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| # ? Jun 2, 2011 16:46 |
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Also, an error is scored as an AB, unless I am really confused.
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Wikipedia on "At-Bats" posted:A batter starts with an at bat every time he faces a pitcher; however, the batter gets "no time at bat" in the following circumstances: Related tangent: Are ABs really purposeful or would everything be better off if PA were used? For shits and giggles, Joey Bats would have a .280/.502/.602/1.104 if PA were used instead of AB.
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| # ? Jun 2, 2011 18:48 |
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If a balk is called when the count is 3-X, is that just considered a walk?
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JediGandalf posted:So errors DO count as ABs. EDIT: Oodles of Wootles posted:If a balk is called when the count is 3-X, is that just considered a walk? Orgophlax fucked around with this message at Jun 2, 2011 around 18:58 |
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JediGandalf posted:So errors DO count as ABs. Errors* count as at-bat as the ball was still put into play. *-excluding catcher's interference. ABs have a good statistical purpose. They're supposed to evaluate the batter's performance at the plate. They remove PAs where the batter was attempting to do something for the team (sacrificing) or not entirely responsible for (walks/catcher's interference). You could potentially have a player with a .000 BA and a 1.000 OBP if we just considered plate appearances only. It's not a good diagnostic tool.
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Real life almost happened no-AB inning scenarioBrewers @ Phillies - 18 Apr 2011 - Top 12th posted:* Rickie Weeks walks. Now let's say Kendrick airmails the ball to the backstop. McGehee tries to score on the wild pitch, but gets tagged out. No AB for Lucroy, 3 outs in the inning. Since runs scored as well, it's theoretically possible to have a full game with no official ABs recorded, but the odds of that happening are pretty much nil. Infidel Castro fucked around with this message at Jun 2, 2011 around 19:20 |
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Orgophlax posted:A balk does not add a ball to the count, it merely lets the runner(s) advance a base. So no, it wouldn't be a walk. You can balk with no runners on can't you? Doesn't that add to the ball count?
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Mammon Loves You posted:You can balk with no runners on can't you? Doesn't that add to the ball count? Wikipedia posted:If no runners are on base and the pitcher commits an otherwise balkable action, there generally is no penalty. However, delivering a quick return or pitching while off the rubber (which constitute balks when runners are on base) results in a ball being called with the bases empty.
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I saw the title of the N/V thread and it got me thinking; what would happen if every team in the league did finish at .500? I would love to see a big single elimination tournament to choose the top 4 teams in each league.
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Generally the things that automatically add a ball to the count aren't "balks". Taking way too long between pitches, going to your mouth on the mound, stuff like that. vvv It might be, technically in the rule book I suppose. I don't think of balks as causing a ball to be added to the count. Badfinger fucked around with this message at Jun 2, 2011 around 20:02 |
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Badfinger posted:Generally the things that automatically add a ball to the count aren't "balks". Taking way too long between pitches, going to your mouth on the mound, stuff like that.
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Badfinger posted:Generally the things that automatically add a ball to the count aren't "balks". Taking way too long between pitches, going to your mouth on the mound, stuff like that. Quick return pitches and pitching off the rubber count as illegal pitches and are called balls. An illegal pitch will also result in a balk with men on base.
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