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DannoMack
Aug 1, 2003

i love it when you call me big poppa


stuart scott irl posted:

I can't do modern era but I can do 1950-2009:

You're awesome, thanks so much!

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The broken bones
Jan 3, 2008

And sometimes when I'm falling, flying or tumbling in center I say
Whoa so this is what NedCo means.

You'd figure it'd be really easy to get an objective, factual report on park factors by looking at spray charts and common distance of balls hit in the league. Just looking at the data, it'd be pretty easy to see how much the design of the park plays into the effects of hits and extra base hits. You could assume an average depth of where the fielder plays and the average distance a fielder has to travel to get to the ball--in fact you could probably ballpark that information--and then track the types of hits it would give up. This would also take into account the affects the marine layer in San Diego and the thin air in Coors have.


Then your data isn't so affected by the talent in the park and the types of players the team builds. As it stands, players with bad or good defense heavily affect park factors.

Why has no one done this?

Orgophlax
Aug 26, 2002




I asked a version of this before, but I don't think in this exact scenario.

If the batter hit a homerun, and as he's rounding third says something to the 3rd base ump and the ump throws his out, does the homerun count or would it be a triple since that was the last base he touched?

Toffile
Sep 10, 2008

   'Cause she's so high
      High above me,
       she's so lovely

                - Everclear

Orgophlax posted:

I asked a version of this before, but I don't think in this exact scenario.

If the batter hit a homerun, and as he's rounding third says something to the 3rd base ump and the ump throws his out, does the homerun count or would it be a triple since that was the last base he touched?

Probably something along tihe lines of ejection with the player being substituted for and being allowed to continue around the bases.

It hasn't happened to the best of my knowledge and there really isn't an approved ruling for it.

The Blue Caboose
May 20, 2007

randy johnson: murderer of pidgeons and scourge of left-handed batters.


If I remember correctly, the player would need to have a pinch runner subbed in. The player gets credit for the hr and rbi, but the pinch runner gets the credit for scoring the run.

Plutonic Cheddar
Mar 23, 2010

I'm off to the chocolate factory! Up yours Wonka!


Ok dumb question incoming. I see slugging percentage being used a lot but I have never run into an actual definition. Can anyone explain it?


OdinsBeard posted:

Total bases divided by at bats. Total bases = #singles+2*#doubles+3*#triples+4*#homeruns

Thanks. It's actually much different than I thought. I thought it was dependent on how hard the ball was being hit.

Plutonic Cheddar fucked around with this message at Sep 4, 2011 around 21:26

OdinsBeard
Jul 12, 2003

Type 'iddqd' into the console to enable Beast Mode.


Plutonic Cheddar posted:

Ok dumb question incoming. I see slugging percentage being used a lot but I have never run into an actual definition. Can anyone explain it?

Total bases divided by at bats. Total bases = #singles+2*#doubles+3*#triples+4*#homeruns

Badfinger
Dec 16, 2004

Timeouts?!

We'll take care of that.


Plutonic Cheddar posted:

Ok dumb question incoming. I see slugging percentage being used a lot but I have never run into an actual definition. Can anyone explain it?


Thanks. It's actually much different than I thought. I thought it was dependent on how hard the ball was being hit.

It's a measure of how many bases the hitter is getting. So if your SLG is .500 you're averaging .5 bases per at bat. Anything above .500 is very good. Anything below .400 is probably not very good.

The Blue Caboose
May 20, 2007

randy johnson: murderer of pidgeons and scourge of left-handed batters.


Badfinger posted:

It's a measure of how many bases the hitter is getting. So if your SLG is .500 you're averaging .5 bases per at bat. Anything above .500 is very good. Anything below .400 is probably not very good.

As an aside, .slg does tend to undervalue doubles hitters. A guy with 40 hr an 10 doubles in 150 hits will have a much higher slugging than a guy who has 50 doubles and 20 hr in the same amount of time (assuming 500 ab it would be .560 to .520) but the doubles hitter would be more valuable via linear weights as a double is worth more than half a homer in run expectancy. But slugging is generally a very good and widely accepted statistic.

Hand Knit
Oct 24, 2005

Beer Loses more than a game Sunday ...
We lost our Captain, our Teammate, our Friend Kelly Calabro...
Rest in Peace my friend you will be greatly missed..


The Blue Caboose posted:

If I remember correctly, the player would need to have a pinch runner subbed in. The player gets credit for the hr and rbi, but the pinch runner gets the credit for scoring the run.

Something to this effect did actually happen in 2008, with Bengie Molina.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/artic.../SPEH13640M.DTL

OdinsBeard
Jul 12, 2003

Type 'iddqd' into the console to enable Beast Mode.


The Blue Caboose posted:

As an aside, .slg does tend to undervalue doubles hitters. A guy with 40 hr an 10 doubles in 150 hits will have a much higher slugging than a guy who has 50 doubles and 20 hr in the same amount of time (assuming 500 ab it would be .560 to .520) but the doubles hitter would be more valuable via linear weights as a double is worth more than half a homer in run expectancy. But slugging is generally a very good and widely accepted statistic.

The run expectancy of events is dependent on the scoring environment, and most of the weights I've seen used older data (for instance the wOBA entry at fangraphs links to their linear weights entry which links to a Tom Tango article which has the run expectancies from 1999-2002). I wonder if if the run expectancy of a home run is still less than twice that of a double.

The Blue Caboose
May 20, 2007

randy johnson: murderer of pidgeons and scourge of left-handed batters.


OdinsBeard posted:

The run expectancy of events is dependent on the scoring environment, and most of the weights I've seen used older data (for instance the wOBA entry at fangraphs links to their linear weights entry which links to a Tom Tango article which has the run expectancies from 1999-2002). I wonder if if the run expectancy of a home run is still less than twice that of a double.

wOBA weights claim that a hr is worth about 1.65 times as much as a double, so that leaves a pretty big margin either way. I do wonder how much linear weights really do change from season to season though.

The Goog
Aug 6, 2007



The Blue Caboose posted:

wOBA weights claim that a hr is worth about 1.65 times as much as a double, so that leaves a pretty big margin either way. I do wonder how much linear weights really do change from season to season though.

In a low run environment like the one we have today (particularly low when compared to the mid-2000s), I would think that the value of a home run would go up, as it's less likely that a double will actually lead to any runs.

The Blue Caboose
May 20, 2007

randy johnson: murderer of pidgeons and scourge of left-handed batters.


The Goog posted:

In a low run environment like the one we have today (particularly low when compared to the mid-2000s), I would think that the value of a home run would go up, as it's less likely that a double will actually lead to any runs.

So I got home and went to do a little research, and it seems like wOBA (as well as most LW based stats) is based on long term average linear weights.

Soviet Space Dog
May 7, 2009

what do you think of my new sick hat

The Goog posted:

In a low run environment like the one we have today (particularly low when compared to the mid-2000s), I would think that the value of a home run would go up, as it's less likely that a double will actually lead to any runs.

Using this, looking for the lowest ratio, in 1908 a HR was worth 1.72 times a double.

Hipster_Doofus
Dec 20, 2003

Lovin' every minute of it.

Why do most games begin at x:05, x:10 or x:15, and even more oddly, x:07 for the postseason?

zakharov
Nov 30, 2002

Control the source of dingers,
and you control the universe

Hipster_Doofus posted:

Why do most games begin at x:05, x:10 or x:15, and even more oddly, x:07 for the postseason?

To give the tv broadcasts time to do their intros, and to cram in as many ads as possible.

Carlton Banks
Jan 5, 2004

"The Tigers' biggest obstacle to a championship will be keeping a straight face. The Tigers in three."

Hipster_Doofus posted:

Why do most games begin at x:05, x:10 or x:15, and even more oddly, x:07 for the postseason?

Don't forget the White Sox and their 7:11 start times due to a sponsorship deal with 7-11

Craptacular!
Jul 9, 2001


Hi, I'm typically an NHL fan but I'm doing the traditional Bay Area bandwagoning of following one of our sports teams the season after they actually win something.

Do most ball clubs make a big deal of their old days, especially in another town, the way that the Giants continually bring up their history in New York? I would think normally if you mentioned New York baseball to any crowd in California you'd get boos. I know the Yankees and BoSox wax nostalgic all the time. For the Giants, is it just because Willie Mays is still alive and kinda made it a dynasty?

Most hockey teams not named Maple Leafs or Canadiens generally keep their mouths shut about their history (even Edmonton is fully out of the Gretzky haze) so it's weird to hear baseball people talk about their olden days so much. I guess this is also why baseball always seems to get the most "walking historical fact book" types.

Craptacular! fucked around with this message at Sep 6, 2011 around 00:11

zakharov
Nov 30, 2002

Control the source of dingers,
and you control the universe

Craptacular! posted:

Hi, I'm typically an NHL fan but I'm doing the traditional Bay Area bandwagoning of following one of our sports teams the season after they actually win something.

Do most ball clubs make a big deal of their old days, especially in another town, the way that the Giants continually bring up their history in New York? I would think normally if you mentioned New York baseball to any crowd in California you'd get boos. I know the Yankees and BoSox do. For the Giants, is it just because Willie Mays is still alive and kinda made it a dynasty?

Most hockey teams not named Maple Leafs or Canadiens generally keep their mouths shut about their history (even Edmonton is fully out of the Gretzky haze) so it's weird to hear baseball people talk about their olden days so much. I guess this is also why baseball always seems to get the most "walking historical fact book" types.


Baseball loves its history. That's why we make a bigger deal out of records than many other sports. Baseball has a special place as the oldest American sport, and it's a part of what makes the game special for a lot of people.

The broken bones
Jan 3, 2008

And sometimes when I'm falling, flying or tumbling in center I say
Whoa so this is what NedCo means.

As any rear end in a top hat Giants fan can tell you, the Giants are very proud of their New York heritage because they have so little to show since moving to San Fran.

Orgophlax
Aug 26, 2002




Does the homeplate ump give a hand signal when a run is scored, other than safe if it's a close play?

Oodles of Wootles
Nov 8, 2008

safe

I've never seen a hand signal from an ump on a play at the plate that wasn't either out or safe.

leokitty
Apr 5, 2005

Well I had to phone his friend to state my case, and say he's lost control again.

And he showed up all the errors and mistakes, and said I've lost control again.

The broken bones posted:

As any rear end in a top hat Giants fan can tell you, the Giants are very proud of their New York heritage because they have so little to show since moving to San Fran.

Why wouldn't they want to highlight wonderful moments like this?

Hipster_Doofus
Dec 20, 2003

Lovin' every minute of it.

zakharov posted:

To give the tv broadcasts time to do their intros, and to cram in as many ads as possible.

Well, poo poo, that sure seems pretty obvious in retrospect.

But still, why x:07 for the postseason, or even anything earlier than x:10 for that matter?

zakharov
Nov 30, 2002

Control the source of dingers,
and you control the universe

Hipster_Doofus posted:

Well, poo poo, that sure seems pretty obvious in retrospect.

But still, why x:07 for the postseason, or even anything earlier than x:10 for that matter?

Different networks have different preferences. Don't read too much into it; Yankees games have a listed 1/7:05 start but I've rarely seen them start before 1:10.

angrygodofjebus
Aug 25, 2005

"They put a big crooked number up there."

"Are you talking about your nose or Adam Dunn's contract DO HO HO HO"


Carlton Banks posted:

Don't forget the White Sox and their 7:11 start times due to a sponsorship deal with 7-11

Nah not anymore. That sponsorship stopped before this season.

DannoMack
Aug 1, 2003

i love it when you call me big poppa


Who is and is not eligible for the MLB draft? Do players have to officially declare for it in some form, or could a team just draft a good athlete who's never played baseball before because he's such a track star or great hockey player with the hopes that they can make him a ballplayer?

Orgophlax
Aug 26, 2002




DannoMack posted:

Who is and is not eligible for the MLB draft? Do players have to officially declare for it in some form, or could a team just draft a good athlete who's never played baseball before because he's such a track star or great hockey player with the hopes that they can make him a ballplayer?
While it doesn't specifically answer your question, you usually see projects like that signed as UDFAs (undrafted free agents) to a minor league contract.

KYOON GRIFFEY JR
Apr 12, 2010



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sweets
Oct 24, 2010


DannoMack posted:

Who is and is not eligible for the MLB draft? Do players have to officially declare for it in some form, or could a team just draft a good athlete who's never played baseball before because he's such a track star or great hockey player with the hopes that they can make him a ballplayer?

Baseball has so many rounds that taking fliers on great athletes in late rounds probably isn't that uncommon, but realistically they would never sign if they were THAT good at another sport. As far as I know, the only requirement for a player to be draft eligible is for them to be a North American citizen. All other foreigners go through their own free agency.

Toffile
Sep 10, 2008

   'Cause she's so high
      High above me,
       she's so lovely

                - Everclear

DannoMack posted:

Who is and is not eligible for the MLB draft? Do players have to officially declare for it in some form, or could a team just draft a good athlete who's never played baseball before because he's such a track star or great hockey player with the hopes that they can make him a ballplayer?

Any Canadian or US resident is draftable when they become a senior in high school.

If a player goes to a 4-year school, they're not eligible to be drafted until junior year. (Junior colleges and smaller schools are exempted from this)

Oh, and they can't sign a professional contract with a club, otherwise they become a free agent and lose draft eligibility.

Orgophlax
Aug 26, 2002




Totally stupid hypothetical question: The strike zone is supposed to be belt to knees and the width of the plate. If a player learned how to bat well enough while having his knees bent at a perfect 90 degrees so his belt was only about 4 inches above his knees, would he only have a 4 inch tall strike zone?

Crion
Sep 30, 2004

To end the season like this and make Boston go home sad and crying, I'll take it all day. I've got no words for it. You saw Boston's faces.

Orgophlax posted:

Totally stupid hypothetical question: The strike zone is supposed to be belt to knees and the width of the plate. If a player learned how to bat well enough while having his knees bent at a perfect 90 degrees so his belt was only about 4 inches above his knees, would he only have a 4 inch tall strike zone?

Theoretically, yes. In reality, the umpire would just roll his eyes, ballpark a normal zone, and force him to use that

Umpires don't take kindly to rules-lawyers

Medical Sword
May 23, 2005

Goghing, Goghing, gone


Orgophlax posted:

Totally stupid hypothetical question: The strike zone is supposed to be belt to knees and the width of the plate. If a player learned how to bat well enough while having his knees bent at a perfect 90 degrees so his belt was only about 4 inches above his knees, would he only have a 4 inch tall strike zone?

On paper, yes, in reality the umpire would either use an ad hoc "reasonable" strike zone or tell the batter to stop making a "mockery of the game" or some poo poo like that

^welp

Redgrendel2001
Sep 1, 2006


Orgophlax posted:

Totally stupid hypothetical question: The strike zone is supposed to be belt to knees and the width of the plate. If a player learned how to bat well enough while having his knees bent at a perfect 90 degrees so his belt was only about 4 inches above his knees, would he only have a 4 inch tall strike zone?

Rickey Henderson used to do this a lot. I always heard that it was knees to belt after the batter has swung or the ball has passed the plate.

The Blue Caboose
May 20, 2007

randy johnson: murderer of pidgeons and scourge of left-handed batters.


Orgophlax posted:

Totally stupid hypothetical question: The strike zone is supposed to be belt to knees and the width of the plate. If a player learned how to bat well enough while having his knees bent at a perfect 90 degrees so his belt was only about 4 inches above his knees, would he only have a 4 inch tall strike zone?

This is basically how Eddie Gaedel hit, if i recall correctly. Also he was like 3'11" or something. I'm sure the conclusion would be more interesting if he hadn't been banned from baseball after one pa.

Mozi
Apr 4, 2004

we were animated

If a pitcher commits an error that later allows a run to score, is it credited as an earned run?

No Safe Word
Feb 26, 2005

I sure do love holding onto the rock!

Mozi posted:

If a pitcher commits an error that later allows a run to score, is it credited as an earned run?

No, fielding errors basically always result in unearned runs regardless of who makes them.

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Toffile
Sep 10, 2008

   'Cause she's so high
      High above me,
       she's so lovely

                - Everclear

Mozi posted:

If a pitcher commits an error that later allows a run to score, is it credited as an earned run?

Of the possible pitcher misplays, only wild pitches count towards earned runs, fielding/throwing errors don't.

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